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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 7, 2018 17:33:00 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 8, 2018 12:44:49 GMT
As criticism grows amongst county cricket supporters about the lack of 2019 weekend games, imbalanced home and away fixtures
with the same teams, the '100 Ball' tournament and goodness knows what else, Sussex along with other counties must be concerned
about their dwindling Membership. So, it's all hands to the pump on the South Coast with Ben Brown now doing a bit of promotion
with the rather dogmatic 'catch-phrase', "When the skipper talks, you listen!"
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 10, 2018 11:42:36 GMT
I was emailed this link from one of the Derbyshire CCC Forums. Always good to see what other MBs are writing about. I note various Sussex supporters are regular posters. I wonder who they are? www.tapatalk.com/groups/falconsforum/index.php |
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Post by jimbon on Dec 10, 2018 15:00:23 GMT
There seems to be a push from all directions for new customers and, in many instances, at the expense of current fans. What seems to have been missed by those 'in power' is that 'customers' have very little loyalty, that trait sits very firmly with 'fans'.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 11, 2018 8:55:11 GMT
jimbon,
I agree with your sentiment but here lies the problem. The 'true' county supporter ie. those who follow Championship cricket,
are dwindling every year, so that within 20 years time, there will be few left. So, if you wish county cricket to survive then you require
a new influx of people. Where do they come from? By attracting a new audience, primarily of younger people, who once hooked
on T20 or the 100 Ball, may then be attracted to Championship cricket, which allows the format to continue on 20 years from now.
That is the ECB theory anyway, but whether true in practice only time will tell. Sadly, Championship cricket is a dying format as is
Test cricket. Both are 'treats' for the sport which can only continue if financed by T20, T10 or now the 100 Ball.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 11, 2018 11:43:00 GMT
Whilst living through these "very strange times", there seems to be a controversy and contention, ill-feeling and verbal abuse etc.. every way you turn in the West and why cricket is my shangri-la where the waters are calm and one can forget this hiatus. But, wait, no... even cricket has been sucked into this furore with growing criticism of the DRS used in the present Test series between India and Australia. Poor old Aussies, the followers of the men's game have had an excruciating last year of it and now this continues with another row, this time over the DRS. Once their side dominated the sport. Now the Australian team are transforming into victims and whingers. Sad to see. Read about why below. www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/drs_company_hit_back_at_australian_criticism_of_technology_after_first_test.html |
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Post by joe on Dec 11, 2018 19:28:39 GMT
I don’t think it’ll be long before Australia are dominating world cricket again.........about as long as it takes for the sanctions to be lifted from Warner and Smith. They have the best seam attack in the world and one of the best spinners, just need their top order to be reinstated.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 12, 2018 12:14:50 GMT
How do Sussex supporters feel that we now live in a "mariage de deux"? That our esteemed Coach lives with us between April-September, communicates, comforts, looks after, helps and advises the county players whilst does everything he can to bring success to the Club and then leaves, flies to the other side of the globe, and resides with his other amour between October-March, the Adelaide Strikers, where he carries out a similar seduction. How many other county clubs experience this situation? How as supporters are we meant to deal with his joint loyalty towards two very different teams? At least, he is transparent and open unlike the poor Mrs Wilson (recent mini-TV series). JG has been sensible in erasing the title photo on his Twitter page which before was a group shot of the Adelaide Strikers to now a scenic view of the Melbourne Coast. Also, his Twitter description simply says Cricket Coach Adelaide Strikers and Sussex CCC. Even so, is it not during the Winter months county coaches seek out new players, catch up with their Academy, forge stronger relationships with staff and those on the fringes who work tirelessly for the Club? Dizzy is 100% focussed on his Strikers and doing everything possible for them to win the BBL. He even shares a player from the two sides - Rashid Khan - who represents the link. Not only has Dizzy got one but two scrumptious creamy cakes on opposite sides of the world but then gets to eat both of them too. Let us hope they are made of vegan ingredients. Dizzy Delighted with Strikers BBL 2018 Trophy Win
sport.bt.com/gillespie-special-big-bash-win-is-right-up-there-91364248210107As loyal supporters who feel no sense of jealousy or concern about the winter months where our Coach goes AWOL, we should start supporting the Adelaide Strikers. The BBL begins in a week's time. The Strikers hold the trophy and are keen to retain it. The Strikers kickstart the tournament against Brisbane Heat at the Gabba on December 19th at local time 6:15pm. Of course, as Sussex supporters, we offer JG every good luck for retaining the BBL Trophy although wishing, perhaps secretly, he was still in Sussex seeking out new players for the Club.  www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/domestic-cricket/big-bash/big-bash-league-201819-fixtures-announced/news-story/7454ed9780aa69a6ea691d1e78ca6484 PS: I forgot to mention. During this year's BBL, the coin toss has been made redundant. The Captains are privy to a 'bat flip'. I kid you not. Read about this 'dynamic' change below. www.adelaidestrikers.com.au/news/coin-toss-no-more-for-bbl/2018-12-11 |
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Post by flashblade on Dec 12, 2018 12:35:43 GMT
How do Sussex supporters feel that we now live in a "mariage de deux"? That our esteemed Coach lives with us between April-September, communicates, comforts, looks after, helps and advises the county players whilst does everything he can to bring success to the Club and then leaves, flies to the other side of the globe, and resides with his other amour between October-March, the Adelaide Strikers, where he carries out a similar seduction. How many other county Clubs experience this situation? How as supporters are we meant to deal with his joint loyalty towards two very different teams? At least, he is transparent and open unlike the poor Mrs Wilson (recent mini-TV series). JG has been sensible in erasing the title photo on his Twitter page which before was a group shot of the Adelaide Strikers to now a scenic view of the Melbourne Coast. Also, his Twitter description simply says Cricket Coach Adelaide Strikers and Sussex CCC. Even so, is it not during the Winter months county coaches seek out new players, catch up with their Academy, forge stronger relationships with staff and those on the fringes who work tirelessly for the Club? Dizzy is 100% focussed on his Strikers and doing everything possible for them to win the BBL. He even shares a player from the two sides - Rashid Khan - who represents the link between them. Not only has Dizzy got one but two scrumptious creamy cakes on opposite sides of the world but then gets to eat both of them too. Let us hope they are made of vegan ingredients. Dizzy Delighted with Strikers BBL 2018 Trophy Win
sport.bt.com/gillespie-special-big-bash-win-is-right-up-there-91364248210107As loyal supporters who feel no sense of jealousy or concern about the winter months where our Coach goes AWOL, we should start supporting the Adelaide Strikers. The BBL begins in a week's time. The Strikers hold the trophy and are keen to retain it. The Strikers kickstart theirs and the tournament's against Brisbane Heat at the Gabba on December 19th at local time 6:15pm. Of course, as Sussex supporters, we offer JG every good luck for retaining the BBL Trophy although wishing, perhaps secretly, he was still in Sussex seeking out new players for the Club. www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/domestic-cricket/big-bash/big-bash-league-201819-fixtures-announced/news-story/7454ed9780aa69a6ea691d1e78ca6484 Is he unable to "seek out" new players from a distance? Has he delegated any of the recruitment to Keith Greenfield? |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 12, 2018 14:45:38 GMT
Fb,
My great white hope is that JG will sign up a top Aussie batsman for next season as our O/S. He knows a lot of them and has
enough contacts, surely?
As for KG, like others, I am not clear what his actual role is for Sussex. Presumably, he must have his ear to the ground, but what
influence does he have? The problem being, Gillespie will be so involved with the Adelaide Strikers until mid February, I doubt if
he'll have any time to think about Sussex except retweet the occasional related tweet.
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Post by herring on Dec 12, 2018 14:46:17 GMT
jimbon, I agree with your sentiment but here lies the problem. The 'true' county supporter ie. those who follow Championship cricket, are dwindling every year, so that within 20 years time, there will be few left. So, if you wish county cricket to survive then you require a new influx of people. Where do they come from? By attracting a new audience, primarily of younger people, who once hooked on T20 or the 100 Ball, may then be attracted to Championship cricket, which allows the format to continue on 20 years from now. That is the ECB theory anyway, but whether true in practice only time will tell. Sadly, Championship cricket is a dying format as is Test cricket. Both are 'treats' for the sport which can only continue if financed by T20, T10 or now the 100 Ball. It is not lack of interest from public, it is those at top. ECB are doing everything possible to help it die. Have just retired and if you would have asked me 5 years ago I would have said I was so looking forward to spending summer watching 20/25 days cricket. Now,not even a member. Not interested in watching in April or September so last season watched about 4/5 days. Look at how many retired there are in this area and County have no interest in making an effort to attract them to County games. There is little or no marketing but I do see half page adverts for 20/20 games and also receive texts for these. With so little cricket in summer, now to late to stop decline in membership but have no doubt on a decent day with good marketing gates for first 2 days of County games could be increased significantly. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 12, 2018 17:29:39 GMT
herring,
"ECB are doing everything possible to help it die..."
I would suggest the opposite. The ECB are doing everything possible to help it survive. The Championship is a dying format or as
Monty Python might say, "'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This format is no more!"
Yet, it's a great format. The last few years especially have shown it to be. It is exciting and unpredictable, it is cricket at its best,
but the younger generations don't agree. The ECB have tried starting games on a Sunday. This hasn't worked. They've tried playing
it in the evenings. This hasn't worked. What more can be done? To quote Monty Python again, "It has ceased to be! 'E's expired and
gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace!"
Tragic but true and whatever the ECB does, once a format becomes a lame duck, it remains a lame duck. The format requires a financial
miracle. It makes no money. It haemorrhages money and without the ECB finances that emanate primarily from media rights and England
internationals, the Championship would have "Kicked the bucket, shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin'
choir invisible."
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Post by glosexile on Dec 13, 2018 16:56:26 GMT
herring, "ECB are doing everything possible to help it die..." I would suggest the opposite. The ECB are doing everything possible to help it survive. The Championship is a dying format or as Monty Python might say, "'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This format is no more!" Yet, it's a great format. The last few years especially have shown it to be. It is exciting and unpredictable, it is cricket at its best, but the younger generations don't agree. The ECB have tried starting games on a Sunday. This hasn't worked. They've tried playing it in the evenings. This hasn't worked. What more can be done? To quote Monty Python again, "It has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace!" Tragic but true and whatever the ECB does, once a format becomes a lame duck, it remains a lame duck. The format requires a financial miracle. It makes no money. It haemorrhages money and without the ECB finances that emanate primarily from media rights and England internationals, the Championship would have "Kicked the bucket, shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible." Wicked Cricket Really respect your enduring flag waving loyalty to the ECB. Certainly can't argue against the view that other forms of cricket (T20 and Test) effectively provide a financial crutch to Championship cricket. However the ECB are responsible for: Marginalising county cricket. Reducing such cricket from 16 to 14 matches. Yet again producing a shambolic fixture list. Continuing with the muddled, ever changing thinking over the actual size of the respective divisions. All currently resulting in existing county members struggling to justify renewals and discouraging new members. Think the Worcs member in his letter to the ECB (via other thread) clearly articulated the current frustrations of many cricket supporters nationwide. Many of us reluctantly accept the inevitable demise of County Cricket The ECB are seemingly intent on accelerating this process....the ECB and Monty Python seems particularly apt. Footnote: Have just seen that three Counties have now brought fixtures forward in order to start the match on a Sunday. Meaning that their was no sensible rationale behind the original version of these fixtures. Are the ECB merely trying to deliberately hack us all off? (Politeness prevents me using the more colourful term!!!). |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 13, 2018 18:38:18 GMT
herring, "ECB are doing everything possible to help it die..." I would suggest the opposite. The ECB are doing everything possible to help it survive. The Championship is a dying format or as Monty Python might say, "'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This format is no more!" Yet, it's a great format. The last few years especially have shown it to be. It is exciting and unpredictable, it is cricket at its best, but the younger generations don't agree. The ECB have tried starting games on a Sunday. This hasn't worked. They've tried playing it in the evenings. This hasn't worked. What more can be done? To quote Monty Python again, "It has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace!" Tragic but true and whatever the ECB does, once a format becomes a lame duck, it remains a lame duck. The format requires a financial miracle. It makes no money. It haemorrhages money and without the ECB finances that emanate primarily from media rights and England internationals, the Championship would have "Kicked the bucket, shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible." Wicked Cricket Really respect your enduring flag waving loyalty to the ECB. Certainly can't argue against the view that other forms of cricket (T20 and Test) effectively provide a financial crutch to Championship cricket. However the ECB are responsible for: Marginalising county cricket. Reducing such cricket from 16 to 14 matches. Yet again producing a shambolic fixture list. Continuing with the muddled, ever changing thinking over the actual size of the respective divisions. All currently resulting in existing county members struggling to justify renewals and discouraging new members. Think the Worcs member in his letter to the ECB (via other thread) clearly articulated the current frustrations of many cricket supporters nationwide. Many of us reluctantly accept the inevitable demise of County Cricket The ECB are seemingly intent on accelerating this process....the ECB and Monty Python seems particularly apt. Footnote: Have just seen that three Counties have now brought fixtures forward in order to start the match on a Sunday. Meaning that their was no sensible rationale behind the original version of these fixtures. Are the ECB merely trying to deliberately hack us all off? (Politeness prevents me using the more colourful term!!!). Glosexile, You make some excellent points and really I am playing devil's advocate here. I enjoy all formats of the game as each gives the spectator a different flavour of cricket and why I am looking forward to the start of the '100 Ball'. The angle I am approaching this debate from is primarily financial. I have enjoyed watching many Championship games in my life and seen some quite amazing spectacles. As a longer format it cannot be beaten. The question surely is: What can the ECB do to make it more popular and attract the lifeblood of the future game ie. the youngsters? Perhaps, the ECB have not yet found that Holy Grail? I agree that our Cricket Board continues to shoot themselves in the foot in their, perhaps, rather feeble attempts. It is a puzzle how a professional body of sports governors can make such a hash of things. Perhaps, secretly, they don't wish to find the answer? |
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Post by herring on Dec 13, 2018 20:51:16 GMT
I have ST at football and also watch Bath Rugby several times a season. The standard is excellent in both, compared to years ago. However standard of county cricket is so often very poor and no comparison to even a few years ago. First, I have seen someone agree with ECB that youngsters have no interest. This is just not true, Senior clubs are over subscribed with colts. When they get to age to watch cricket on there own apart from very little cricket in the Summer , Who is there for them watch. No overseas star or England players. Not long ago we had Prior,Goodwin Mushtaq etc and before that remember sneaking of work to watch Warne,Holding, Grieg,Imran etc. Timetable is now saturated with international cricket of all forms and this as another reason for decline as all players no longer play for Counties.
I think it is such a great game that is worth saving, All I would like is some people at the top making an effort. Although if I am honest people are unlikely to attend on April 5th even if you paid them.
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