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Post by coverpoint on Oct 30, 2020 19:33:07 GMT
This is the extract that caught my eye: "We are very hopeful that this is the start of steady trickle of players graduating from our Academy into our senior squad. The appointment of Richard Halsall as Head of Talent Pathway is recognised as being very beneficial to the future of Sussex Cricket. The structure launched in 2019 is already producing results." Once again, we have to ask what Keith Greenfield's function is. I can't find details of the coaching and staff structure on the club website. WTF is going on? I would have thought this might have caught your eye more: "The ECB has confirmed that it is their intention to maintain our financial distributions during 2021, however, at the moment and understandably, they can’t guarantee the payments for year’s three to five of the current five-year arrangement." Do the counties have grounds for sueing the ECB for breach of contract or at the very least misrepresentation? Elsewhere, talk about throwing sixteen counties under the bus? Listen 7m 26s into the video. Gould has done the work for HMRC! Will Sussex send the £500K bill, £1m if penalties are applied, to Surrey or Gould? mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm&ogbl#inbox/FMfcgxwKjBNmCqvXPqZLrjnQHWdlsMhQ?projector=1
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Post by flashblade on Oct 30, 2020 21:01:01 GMT
This is the extract that caught my eye: "We are very hopeful that this is the start of steady trickle of players graduating from our Academy into our senior squad. The appointment of Richard Halsall as Head of Talent Pathway is recognised as being very beneficial to the future of Sussex Cricket. The structure launched in 2019 is already producing results." Once again, we have to ask what Keith Greenfield's function is. I can't find details of the coaching and staff structure on the club website. WTF is going on? I would have thought this might have caught your eye more: "The ECB has confirmed that it is their intention to maintain our financial distributions during 2021, however, at the moment and understandably, they can’t guarantee the payments for year’s three to five of the current five-year arrangement." Do the counties have grounds for sueing the ECB for breach of contract or at the very least misrepresentation?Elsewhere, talk about throwing sixteen counties under the bus? Listen 7m 26s into the video. Gould has done the work for HMRC! Will Sussex send the £500K bill, £1m if penalties are applied, to Surrey or Gould? mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm&ogbl#inbox/FMfcgxwKjBNmCqvXPqZLrjnQHWdlsMhQ?projector=1The 5 year payments programme was presumably devised pre-coronavirus? If so, then surely all bets are off until we emerge from the pandemic? BTW, do you think Halsall is now doing the job we thought Greenfield was supposed to be doing?
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Post by coverpoint on Oct 31, 2020 5:19:10 GMT
I would have thought this might have caught your eye more: "The ECB has confirmed that it is their intention to maintain our financial distributions during 2021, however, at the moment and understandably, they can’t guarantee the payments for year’s three to five of the current five-year arrangement." Do the counties have grounds for sueing the ECB for breach of contract or at the very least misrepresentation?Elsewhere, talk about throwing sixteen counties under the bus? Listen 7m 26s into the video. Gould has done the work for HMRC! Will Sussex send the £500K bill, £1m if penalties are applied, to Surrey or Gould? mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm&ogbl#inbox/FMfcgxwKjBNmCqvXPqZLrjnQHWdlsMhQ?projector=1The 5 year payments programme was presumably devised pre-coronavirus? If so, then surely all bets are off until we emerge from the pandemic? BTW, do you think Halsall is now doing the job we thought Greenfield was supposed to be doing? Then surely the counties can reverse their decision to approve the hundred and pull the competition in its entirety especially as it was never going to make a profit even before coronavirus. Halsall is responsible for developing players. I am not sure what Greenfield is doing now. What is your take on the furlough? Why have Sussex or any of the other fifteen counties not asked Surrey to take the video down immediately?
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Post by joe on Oct 31, 2020 9:51:46 GMT
Never mind the head of talent pathway, we need a head coach and a batting coach!
I skimmed through the article looking for the big section on the first team...............still looking!
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Post by deepfineleg on Oct 31, 2020 10:59:50 GMT
Greenfield is Director of Cricket (he just talks about pathways)
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Post by flashblade on Oct 31, 2020 11:06:21 GMT
The 5 year payments programme was presumably devised pre-coronavirus? If so, then surely all bets are off until we emerge from the pandemic? BTW, do you think Halsall is now doing the job we thought Greenfield was supposed to be doing? Then surely the counties can reverse their decision to approve the hundred and pull the competition in its entirety especially as it was never going to make a profit even before coronavirus. That would be great, but the counties may need to avoid an open power struggle. Depends whether Graves' departure makes it easier for the ECB to scrap the T16.4
Halsall is responsible for developing players. I am not sure what Greenfield is doing now. I'm not sure if anyone's sure what he's doing. No-one on this board seems to know.What is your take on the furlough? Why have Sussex or any of the other fifteen counties not asked Surrey to take the video down immediately? I don't know the legal position on fixed term contracts. Gould could lose a lot of friends, if his interpretation is correct. I agree the video should be taken down, but the genie is already out of the bottle, I guess.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 31, 2020 13:57:01 GMT
The Enigma: Keith Greenfield __________________________________________________ (a personal penny’s worth)Keith Greenfield, who will be 52 years-old in early December is, perhaps, the most controversial member of staff at Sussex CCC. Wiki states, “(His) career for Sussex spanned twelve years between 1987 until 1999. He played 78 first-class and 160 one-day matches for the county, scoring over 7,000 runs in total. A right-handed batsman, he was also an occasional right-arm medium bowler who picked up thirty-two wickets. “He joined Sussex initially as part of a Youth Opportunities Scheme, progressing through the Second XI team and development squads until he was given a chance in the First XI. His career best, 154, came against Glamorgan. After his playing career ended he joined the administrative staff as Director of the Sussex Academy, being awarded a testimonial in 2004, followed by a promotion to Cricket Performance Manager in 2005.” In January 2016, Greenfield was appointed the first Club Director of Cricket (DOC). First, he was only made DOC because Mark Robinson turned the newly created position down. To save Zac Toumazi’s face, the obvious choice was Keith Greenfield as he had been already at Sussex CCC for three decades, was friendly with the players and general staff, and knew where the skeletons were buried. I remember this Forum was particularly cruel, perhaps unfairly so, towards Greenfield after an early rather hapless and nervous interview he gave where, when asked to explain his role, he memorably said, “I drive around the county meeting people.” I would describe Greenfield as the Club’s “Information Bagman”, for he is a glorified PA for Rob Andrew. He represents the adhesion that binds Sussex CCC together. He reports back to the CEO on the mindset of the 1st team players and the Academy - who may be unhappy, lazy or irresponsible, not developing as they should, as well as those who are. He liaises with the Team Coach and Academy Head to learn who deserves new contracts and who doesn’t, which youngsters are improving and which are not. Then there is the ECB and the liaising of cricketers like Jofra Archer, Chris Jordan, Phil Salt and Ollie Robinson. Not forgetting the existing Club sponsors and general stakeholders... If you like, the DOC is the eyes and ears for Andrew. He fills in the gaps, letting the CEO know how the club is running. At such a difficult financial time, having an “information bagman” is an important asset for a Chief Exec. The problem with this is the DOC’s mindset, his interpretation of what he sees, the close relationships he may have with particular players… there will be a bias in what the DOC reports back. And so, Greenfield’s role has an important influence over the Club’s successes and failures, development and standing. Therefore, it is understandable that Greenfield receives flak from supporters because he is the major vein that runs through and around the Club. His judgments will influence the CEO’s decisions. And given Greenfield has been at Sussex CCC for over three decades now, he has seen and been through the entire rollercoaster-ride of failure-success and now failure again. His energy is fully imprinted on Sussex CCC, so much so, that his influence is not to be underestimated. Such people are usually subservient to their peers and why they remain popular with leadership. They are non-threatening to the status quo and express the Club’s core values and beliefs. Loyalty is a key element of Greenfield’s appeal too. He is not a thrusting, dynamic alpha-male. He is not going to radically change or alter the club’s path. Greenfield is the steady eddy, reliable, loyal information bagman, there to subtly influence the club and its culture. When a county is successful and winning trophies this is a blessing, but when one hits hard times where obvious, even radical changes, need to take place, such an individual can be a thorn in that required transformation, when the old energy clashes with the new. For such people often have supporters within the club itself, who may hold similar core beliefs, who wish to hold on to their own power and influence within the club, where upsetting the status quo is not desired. And why people like Greenfield keep their power long-term as a loyal representative of that force. In a nutshell, they are difficult people to remove and only via a coup like the 1997 Members Rebellion or an internal leadership battle, as seen at Derbyshire CCC with Chris Grant in 2011, can that core club energy transform. What is interesting at Sussex CCC, is that while the rebellion succeeded in bringing 10 years of incredible success, here we are 10 years later and back to square one. Like a cruel magnet, that ‘old force’ has returned once more. Why is that? Why was the club unable to hold on to that ‘resonance of success?’ How has it been possible that leadership over the last 10 years has allowed this humiliating and excruciating decline to occur? To use a football analogy, when Bill Shankley took Liverpool from being a lowly second division club to becoming world beaters, on leaving, that ‘resonance of success’ not only remained, but grew stronger via new leadership. There was a determination and an ability to remain victorious, but not at Sussex CCC. Some posters on this Forum suggest it is Greenfield who has thwarted Chris Adams’ hopes of returning to the club. While this is little more than hearsay, you can see why it is possible. Adams and Greenfield’s personalities are chalk and cheese. Two people could not be more different in their approach. But like in various organisations, the dynamic thrusting alpha-male personality is viewed as a threat to the status quo and those in power and why they are usually given the cold-shoulder. The future, imho, lies with Rob Andrew. The one, perhaps, only opportunity the club has of turning their present misfortunes around. Yet, will he stay at Hove long-term? For today, the future of county cricket is not about success, but survival. And while supporters continue to dream of winning trophies once again, we must twiddle our thumbs and hope that “our promising youngsters” will perform miracles "some time in the future." Perhaps, come 2023, we should feel lucky that we still have a cricket county to follow and support. On the other hand..?
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Post by joe on Oct 31, 2020 15:19:16 GMT
Good piece WC. Think you’ve hit the nail on the head re Greenfield, he’s a brown-nose yes man rather than a progressive free-thinker. All the time there are people like him at the helm Sussex will remain also rans because there’s no fire in the belly.
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 31, 2020 15:30:04 GMT
The Enigma: Keith Greenfield __________________________________________________ (a personal penny’s worth)Keith Greenfield, who will be 52 years-old in early December is, perhaps, the most controversial member of staff at Sussex CCC. Wiki states, “(His) career for Sussex spanned twelve years between 1987 until 1999. He played 78 first-class and 160 one-day matches for the county, scoring over 7,000 runs in total. A right-handed batsman, he was also an occasional right-arm medium bowler who picked up thirty-two wickets. “He joined Sussex initially as part of a Youth Opportunities Scheme, progressing through the Second XI team and development squads until he was given a chance in the First XI. His career best, 154, came against Glamorgan. After his playing career ended he joined the administrative staff as Director of the Sussex Academy, being awarded a testimonial in 2004, followed by a promotion to Cricket Performance Manager in 2005.” In January 2016, Greenfield was appointed the first Club Director of Cricket (DOC). First, he was only made DOC because Mark Robinson turned the newly created position down. To save Zac Toumazi’s face, the obvious choice was Keith Greenfield as he had been already at Sussex CCCC for three decades, was friendly with the players and general staff, and knew where the skeletons were buried. I remember this Forum was particularly cruel, perhaps unfairly so, towards Greenfield after an early rather hapless and nervous interview he gave where, when asked to explain his role, he memorably said, “I drive around the county meeting people.” I would describe Greenfield as the Club’s “Information Bagman”, for he is a glorified PA for Rob Andrew. He represents the adhesion that binds Sussex CCC together. He reports back to the CEO on the mindset of the 1st team players and the Academy - who may be unhappy, lazy or irresponsible, not developing as they should, as well as those who are. He liaises with the Team Coach and Academy Head to learn who deserves new contracts and who doesn’t, which youngsters are improving and which are not. Then there is the ECB and the liaising of cricketers like Jofra Archer, Chris Jordan, Phil Salt and Ollie Robinson. Nor forgetting the existing Club sponsors and general stakeholders... If you like, the DOC is the eyes and ears for Andrew. He fills in the gaps, letting the CEO know how the club is running. At such a difficult financial time, having an “information bagman” is an important asset for a Chief Exec. The problem with this is the DOC’s mindset, his interpretation of what he sees, the close relationships he may have with particular players… there will be a bias in what the DOC reports back. And so, Greenfield’s role has an important influence over the Club’s successes and failures, development and standing. Therefore, it is understandable that Greenfield receives flak from supporters because he is the major vein that runs through and around the Club. His judgments will influence the CEO’s decisions. And given Greenfield has been at Sussex CCC for over three decades now, he has seen and been through the entire rollercoaster-ride of failure-success and now failure again. His energy is fully imprinted on Sussex CCC, so much so, that his influence is not to be underestimated. Such people are usually subservient to their peers and why they remain popular with leadership. They are non-threatening to the status quo and express the Club’s core values and beliefs. Loyalty is a key element of Greenfield’s appeal too. He is not a thrusting, dynamic alpha-male. He is not going to radically change or alter the club’s path. Greenfield is the steady eddy, reliable, loyal information bagman, there to subtly influence the club and its culture. When a county is successful and winning trophies this is a blessing, but when one hits hard times where obvious, even radical changes, need to take place, such an individual can be a thorn in that required transformation, when the old energy clashes with the new. For such people often have supporters within the club itself, who may hold similar core beliefs, who wish to hold on to their own power and influence within the club, where upsetting the status quo is not desired. And why people like Greenfield keep their power long-term as a loyal representative of that force. In a nutshell, they are difficult people to remove and only via a coup like the 1997 Members Rebellion or an internal leadership battle, as seen at Derbyshire CCC with Chris Grant in 2011, can that core club energy transform. What is interesting at Sussex CCC, is that while the rebellion succeeded in bringing 10 years of incredible success, here we are 10 years later and back to square one. Like a cruel magnet, that ‘old force’ has returned once more. Why is that? Why was the club unable to hold on to that ‘resonance of success?’ How has it been possible that leadership over the last 10 years has allowed this humiliating and excruciating decline to occur? To use a football analogy, when Bill Shankley took Liverpool from being a lowly second division club to becoming world beaters, on leaving, that ‘resonance of success’ not only remained, but grew stronger via new leadership. There was a determination and an ability to remain victorious, but not at Sussex CCC. Some posters on this Forum suggest it is Greenfield who has thwarted Chris Adams’ hopes of returning to the club. While this is little more than hearsay, you can see why this is possible. Adams and Greenfield’s personalities are chalk and cheese. Two people could not be more different in their approach. But like in various organisations, the dynamic thrusting alpha-male personality is viewed as a threat to the status quo and those in power and why they are usually given the cold-shoulder. The future, imho, lies with Rob Andrew. The one, perhaps, only opportunity the club has of turning their present misfortunes around. Yet, will he stay at Hove long-term? For today, the future of county cricket is not about success, but survival. And while supporters continue to dream of winning trophies once again, we must twiddle our thumbs and hope that “our promising youngsters” will perform miracles some time in the future. Perhaps, come 2023, we should feel lucky that we still have a cricket county to follow and support. On the other hand..? Just look how we’ve done since he was appointed in 2016... Enough said I think
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Post by liquidskin on Oct 31, 2020 15:44:53 GMT
Greenfield's a ghost, he's been haunting Sussex for 35 years. Like all ghosts, he does buggar all. Who you gonna call? That bird off Blue Peter and that scouser who pegged out, what's his name? Spender? No it's not Spender. I can't remember his name.
Anywho, stop paying a ghost to do sod all and pay a player to play instead. Or a coach. Clear the pathway, it's still weedy.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 1, 2020 9:20:22 GMT
Long live the King - Long live the Prince! What an accolade for young Jof. How many bowlers has Chris Gayle shaken the hand of in a T20 match during an actual one-on-one contest between bat and ball?
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Post by joe on Nov 1, 2020 11:21:38 GMT
I don’t think he’d have been as quick to shake hands had Jof got him for a first ball duck, not so bad on 99!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 1, 2020 15:39:15 GMT
A fair point. Q: Where has Gayle's bat disappeared to?
Meanwhile, for stat fiends:
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 1, 2020 15:45:24 GMT
Ok, Ok, Ben Stokes is the present world cricketing superstar, superhero and general cricket-God, but this Red Bull advert is rather egging it? May be not? Still fun to watch the blatant edits though.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 1, 2020 16:09:11 GMT
Ok, Ok, Ben Stokes is the present world cricketing superstar, superhero and general cricket-God, but this Red Bull advert is rather egging it? May be not? Still fun to watch the blatant edits though. Completely ruined by wearing his cap on backwards!
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