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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 5, 2021 14:45:55 GMT
This has just appeared on Jofra Archer's twitter feed. What's brewing? Played a poor game
on his PlayStation or something more serious?
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Post by flashblade on Mar 5, 2021 17:11:39 GMT
This has just appeared on Jofra Archer's twitter feed. What's brewing? Played a poor game on his PlayStation or something more serious? I hope you don't mind - so that Jofra fans don't miss this news I've referred to it on the 'Jofra Archer' thread. Sorry if I'm being anarchic!  |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 5, 2021 22:47:19 GMT
No problem, I get caught up and forget in the whirlwind of the moment. No idea what young Jof is referring to as nothing new has appeared on Twitter or in the news. There is probably nothing amiss. |
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Post by liquidskin on Mar 6, 2021 11:23:17 GMT
There must be something if it's big big time cos big time is big, so big big time must be even bigger, maybe twice as big.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 7, 2021 9:30:08 GMT
Here is a question for you. How do you rate Luke Wright as a Captain? Imho, he is the best Sussex leader since Chris Adams and better than Mike Yardy, Ed Joyce and Ben Brown. Then it becomes more interesting. What about before Adams. Now compare Wright to Peter Moores, Wells, Parker, Gould, Barclay, Long until we reach the great Greigy. Can I dare to suggest that since 1973, the best three Sussex Captains have been Greig, Adams and Wright? Next question: How do you rate Captains? Purely, on results or the cultural influence and popularity on both the players and supporters? Sadly, I rate Brown as one of the weaker Captains during the last 50 years. Discuss. |
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Post by lovelyboy on Mar 7, 2021 9:38:44 GMT
Every Sussex fan loves Lukey but he’s had a brilliant T20 team to work with and has never won the competition. Yardy won both the T20 and the Pro40. We pay far too much significance to the culture of the club and team spirit etc just win games and the rest takes care of itself
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 7, 2021 11:26:10 GMT
Lb,
So, you believe that top Captaincy is nothing more than winning trophies? I find that hard to accept. Top County Captains are more
than just a gleaming urn gathering dust in a cabinet, surely?
Take Tony Greig, one of the most famous Sussex Captains of all time. His record for the Club was dire. The Sussex CCC Museum writes,
"Whilst his Test batting average was over 40, his county average was no better than 28, and during his captaincy of Sussex nothing was
won, and the side finished low down the table in all the years he was captain. The best season for Sussex under Greig’s captaincy was his
last year, 1977, when the side finished eighth although he played in only twelve games."
Yet, if you ask a cricket supporter to name famous Sussex players, Tony Greig will be mentioned in the first sentence. Now take
Johnny Barclay. The Museum writes, "In his first season as captain, Sussex finished second in the Championship, just two points off first
place – the best result since David Sheppard’s 1953 side finished second. The following year, the team won the John Player Sunday League
with 58 points, finishing 12 ahead of the runner-up, Middlesex. Throughout the 80s the side was consistently in the top half of the
Championship." Therefore, Barclay was a far far better Captain than Greig by a walking mile taking your yardstick.
Top Captains should be merited by far more than trophies. Not only is Luke Wright a fantastic ambassador for Sussex, but is well-known
all around the world for his batting skills whether it has been the Australian Big Bash and his time playing for the Melbourne Stars or more
recently captaining Team Abu Dhabi. Perhaps, of all the Sussex Captains, Wright is alongside Greig as being the best known. He was in the
England T20 Winning side alongside Yardy and took Sussex to the T20 Final back in 2018. Like with all top Captains he plays from the front
and from all accounts is especially popular with the players unlike some who have preceded him.
Of course, Chris Adams ranks No.1 of all time if you merit trophies as the yardstick. Yet, after retiring compare him to Barclay. While, Adams
has attempted to return to the club as a coach, but been thwarted at every turn, Barclay is a luminescence of success at Sussex, whether
it is residing on the Board, involved in charity events and MC at special Club dinners, to all his work for Arundel Castle CC, he must rank as
the overall best Captain, Sussex has ever had.
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Post by lovelyboy on Mar 7, 2021 11:33:25 GMT
Lb, So, you believe that top Captaincy is nothing more than winning trophies? I find that hard to accept. Top County Captains are more than just a gleaming urn gathering dust in a cabinet, surely? Take Tony Greig, one of the most famous Sussex Captains of all time. His record for the Club was dire. The Sussex CCC Museum writes, "Whilst his Test batting average was over 40, his county average was no better than 28, and during his captaincy of Sussex nothing was won, and the side finished low down the table in all the years he was captain. The best season for Sussex under Greig’s captaincy was his last year, 1977, when the side finished eighth although he played in only twelve games." Yet, if you ask a cricket supporter to name famous Sussex players, Tony Greig will be mentioned in the first sentence. Now take Johnny Barclay. The Museum writes, "In his first season as captain, Sussex finished second in the Championship, just two points off first place – the best result since David Sheppard’s 1953 side finished second. The following year, the team won the John Player Sunday League with 58 points, finishing 12 ahead of the runner-up, Middlesex. Throughout the 80s the side was consistently in the top half of the Championship." Therefore, Barclay was a far far better Captain than Greig by a walking mile taking your yardstick. Top Captains should be merited by far more than trophies. Not only is Luke Wright a fantastic ambassador for Sussex, but is well-known all around the world for his batting skills whether it has been the Australian Big Bash and his time playing for the Melbourne Stars or more recently captaining Team Abu Dhabi. Perhaps, of all the Sussex Captains, Wright is alongside Greig as being the best known. He was in the England T20 Winning side alongside Yardy and took Sussex to the T20 Final back in 2018. Like with all top Captains he plays from the front and from all accounts is especially popular with the players unlike some who have preceded him. Of course, Chris Adams ranks No.1 of all time if you merit trophies as the yardstick. Yet, after retiring compare him to Barclay. While, Adams has attempted to return to the club as a coach, but been thwarted at every turn, Barclay is a luminescence of success at Sussex, whether it is residing on the Board, involved in charity events and MC at special Club dinners, to all his work for Arundel Castle CC, he must rank as the overall best Captain, Sussex has ever had. It’s not club cricket S and F! Of course captaincy is just about winning games and trophies! Your post above is confusing players with captaincy, ask any captain ever and they will tell you their main job is to win matches and try and win trophies. Fame and being a good bloke doesn’t matter |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 7, 2021 16:07:43 GMT
We beg to disagree. There is more to a county captain than just winning trophies. It is multi-layered and more complex. Perhaps, one of the best remembered England Captains is Mike Brierley. Yet, he only captained the international side 31 times, winning 17, losing 4 and drawing the rest, boasting a Test batting average of merely 22.
His wiki states that after retiring from the sport, "(Brierley) is now a psychoanalyst, psychotherapist (registered with the BPC), motivational speaker, and part-time cricket journalist for The Times. He was appointed an OBE in 1978, and published The Art of Captaincy in 1985. He published another book, On Form, in 2017. In 1998, he became an Honorary Fellow of his Cambridge college, St. John's and in 2006 was awarded an honorary doctorate by Oxford Brookes University." Captaincy is about the person, their influence and achievements in life, both on and off the field, and not just how many trophies they did or did not win.
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Post by lovelyboy on Mar 7, 2021 19:00:08 GMT
We beg to disagree. There is more to a county captain than just winning trophies. It is multi-layered and more complex. Perhaps, one of the best remembered England Captains is Mike Brierley. Yet, he only captained the international side 31 times, winning 17, losing 4 and drawing the rest, boasting a Test batting average of merely 22. His wiki states that after retiring from the sport, "(Brierley) is now a psychoanalyst, psychotherapist (registered with the BPC), motivational speaker, and part-time cricket journalist for The Times. He was appointed an OBE in 1978, and published The Art of Captaincy in 1985. He published another book, On Form, in 2017. In 1998, he became an Honorary Fellow of his Cambridge college, St. John's and in 2006 was awarded an honorary doctorate by Oxford Brookes University." Captaincy is about the person, their influence and achievements in life, both on and off the field, and not just how many trophies they did or did not win. [ So in your view? Why is Luke Wright our best captain since Grizz and Ben Brown a bad captain? I really don’t understand what you are judging them on |
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Post by flashblade on Mar 7, 2021 20:42:37 GMT
We beg to disagree. There is more to a county captain than just winning trophies. It is multi-layered and more complex. Perhaps, one of the best remembered England Captains is Mike Brierley. Yet, he only captained the international side 31 times, winning 17, losing 4 and drawing the rest, boasting a Test batting average of merely 22. His wiki states that after retiring from the sport, "(Brierley) is now a psychoanalyst, psychotherapist (registered with the BPC), motivational speaker, and part-time cricket journalist for The Times. He was appointed an OBE in 1978, and published The Art of Captaincy in 1985. He published another book, On Form, in 2017. In 1998, he became an Honorary Fellow of his Cambridge college, St. John's and in 2006 was awarded an honorary doctorate by Oxford Brookes University." Captaincy is about the person, their influence and achievements in life, both on and off the field, and not just how many trophies they did or did not win. [ So in your view? Why is Luke Wright our best captain since Grizz and Ben Brown a bad captain? I really don’t understand what you are judging them on Maybe WC is more attracted to extroverts?? |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 7, 2021 22:14:02 GMT
Lb,
I really don’t understand what you are judging them on
As I said before, imho, a great captain is more complex and multi-layered than just winning trophies, today. Of course, a new shiny urn in the club cabinet is an important aspect, but so are other areas like: how does he/she cope with pressure when the chips are down on the pitch; do they exude an 'X' factor; does the person lead from the front and inspire others; experience consistent form and are always dependable; inspire youngsters to take up the sport; how that captain interacts with the players, staff and above all supporters; is that person a top club ambassador; what that person does for the local community off-the-field; their standing and recognition as a cricketer around the world; how history reflects on the captaincy; what the individual achieves and does after retiring and so on. The more ticked boxes, the greater the captain.
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Post by lovelyboy on Mar 7, 2021 22:31:56 GMT
Lb, I really don’t understand what you are judging them onAs I said before, imho, a great captain is more complex and multi-layered than just winning trophies, today. Of course, a new shiny urn in the club cabinet is an important aspect, but so are other areas like: how does he/she cope with pressure when the chips are down on the pitch; do they exude an 'X' factor; does the person lead from the front and inspire others; experience consistent form and are always dependable; inspire youngsters to take up the sport; how that captain interacts with the players, staff and above all supporters; is that person a top club ambassador; what that person does for the local community off-the-field; their standing and recognition as a cricketer around the world; how history reflects on the captaincy; what the individual achieves and does after retiring and so on. The more ticked boxes, the greater the captain. All that is great, and it’s a huge bonus if your skipper ticks those boxes.... but who’s Sussex’s best captain of all time? Chris Adams! And why.... because he won things! |
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Post by kevininnessupersub on Mar 7, 2021 23:29:23 GMT
No one has mentioned the first Sussex captain to win trophies , Ted Dexter.
Personally the best two captains were David Shepherd and Greigy.
They led from the front.
They gave the selected players 100% support and more importantly the players had total faith in their captain.
After they retired like Barclay they still gave support to their former players .
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 8, 2021 8:58:59 GMT
Lb,
While I agree, for winning trophies Chris Adams is No.1, but I wouldn't rate him as Sussex best ever Captain. Certainly, he is in my
top 3. As Kevin points out, Ted Dexter, Tony Greig, and of course Imran Khan, who was never officially appointed club captain, but should
have been, if it hadn't been for "all his other commitments", are way up there for stature. In the modern era, Barclay is underrated along
with Marlar.
A top captain, like a great football manager, is someone who takes on a poor team and brings out the very best from each player, which
also means the need for a strong coaching staff to back them. Inspiration is a vital part of leadership. As Mark Robinson might say, he must
be "A proper bloke!" I have consistently said that Sussex lack that much-needed ruthless and winning mentality, lost after the demise of the
great 2000s team. A top captain must bring that quality to his side.
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