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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 7, 2014 10:01:51 GMT
My final choice of thread and something close to the heart. One feels this is a subject worth continuing.
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Post by flashblade on May 15, 2014 7:32:04 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 15, 2014 10:48:29 GMT
This is looking serious - very serious. Those cricketers involved must be quaking in their boots. What happens if Sussex player/s ARE involved?
God forbid.
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Post by flashblade on May 15, 2014 11:10:43 GMT
This is looking serious - very serious. Those cricketers involved must be quaking in their boots. What happens if Sussex player/s ARE involved? Simple - they should be booted out unceremoniously. There should be zero tolerance of this cancer. If a cricketer is guilty, I don't care which county he plays for - he needs to be sacked, and then prosecuted.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 15, 2014 11:30:31 GMT
I suspect Vincent will come up with a list of players who have either recently retired or are close to retiring. Logic suggests Sussex may be implicated, although I wouldn't be surprised if the players concerned are not with the club anymore.
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Post by flashblade on May 15, 2014 11:37:33 GMT
I suspect Vincent will come up with a list of players who have either recently retired or are close to retiring. Why should he restrict himself in this way?Logic suggests Sussex may be implicated, although I wouldn't be surprised if the players concerned are not with the club anymore. Let's hope you're right, but I suspect there may be a little wishful thinking on your part here. Why wouldn't you be surprised? I very much hope no current Sussex players are involved.
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Post by twelvegrand on May 15, 2014 19:05:11 GMT
Ahhhh -we could really use the old thread here! Sadly I suspect Vincent is thoroughly unreliable but this is the break the cricket authorities needed to mop up the ICL related aftermath and the potential networks of fixing that spread.
The latter rumour was the one I referred to one the old thread although it would be pretty horrible if those had some truth to them.
Ed Hawkins did a huge job for us and English cricket in his book.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 8:50:57 GMT
For the match in question, the Sussex side was Joyce, Nash, Vincent,Goodwin, Yardy, Gatting, Brown, Parnell, Naved Arif, Liddle & Panesar - so, more than half the side are no longer at Hove. The area of scrutiny relates to the middle overs of the match where Sussex had reached 76 for no wicket and, four overs later, the score was 83 for 4 with Vincent run out. The top four were Joyce, Nash, Vincent and Goodwin - and it looks as if the concentration will be on these four.
But does it really matter if the players involved have now left Sussex? They weren't "dismissed" for corrupt activities - it will still reflect badly on the county. Vincent appears to have cut himself a deal and it looks as if there is significant pressure on the authorities to tie up loose ends.
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Post by sharkinthedark on May 16, 2014 9:40:23 GMT
This Guardian article says which I suppose is good news, or at least as good as we could hope for. How solid that quote is I'm not sure. The source article in the Telegraph makes that claim only for the 2008 match he was playing for Lancashire, as far as I can tell. The Sussex matches under investigation are the Kent match we already knew about and the 2011 T20 quarter final that we lost to Lancashire. Vincent was caught behind for a golden duck. Apparently one county player is being investigated for failing to report an approach (presumably from Vincent). Given Mal Loye has admitted to being approached by Vincent in 2008 but won't face disciplinary action because "the culture was very different at the time of the incident," it's possible, perhaps likely, that this investigation pertains to his time with Sussex and thus may involve an ex or current Sussex player.
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Post by fraudster on May 16, 2014 11:16:49 GMT
Vincent's a piece of filth. He did sod-all for us except cheat. I hope nobody currently at Sussex was involved with this b*****d, or failed to report an approach. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of those former players were involved from that team. I moaned and moaned and moaned about signing that bloke, although it was for other reasons.
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Post by twelvegrand on May 17, 2014 10:22:23 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 17, 2014 12:10:27 GMT
"I have seen others too. The ones outlined by Vincent. I watched the Sussex v Kent game which we now know contained spot-fixing and I sensed something was up."What is deeply disturbing is, it requires more than one player to fix the outcome of a match. That, I have always presumed, was the allegation with the Sussex v Kent game. I believe a whole shed-full of money suddenly appeared (allegedly around £5m from Asia) on 'Betfair' when Sussex were in the ascendancy to easily win the game at 76-1, for Kent to win it. Less than an over later, Sussex experienced one of their regular batting collapses and went to 86-4 with Vincent and Goodwin going cheaply. Yardy and Gatting then steadied the ship. The idea that Nash was involved is ludicrous. Why get yourself out purposefully on 49. Wait until you reach your 50, surely? The problem as always, is how do you prove a mini-batting collapse is fixed based on the fact that a whole heap of money has entered the betting. You can't. And even if Vincent makes allegations against certain Sussex players, they can refute the claims. Where's the hard evidence? You're innocent until proven guilty. I hope the ECB anti-corruption unit avoid making such allegations themselves until they have rock solid evidence which presumably includes text messages and recorded phone conversations with corrupt bookies etc.. Meanwhile, I remain sceptical. www.espncricinfo.com/cb40-11/engine/current/match/492346.html
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Post by fraudster on May 17, 2014 16:40:21 GMT
'Wait for your 50' so you do have a sense of humour. The only thing you should be sceptical about is whether 5m was suddenly bet against a winning team. If it was, and no matter if it were from Asia or Bognor, there's no doubt what happened. Proving who was involved shouln't be difficult, once Vincent's sold everyone down the river, while proving that amount of money was placed shouldn't be tricky either in this day and age. Nail 'em up, starting with that scumbag Vincent, after he's blabbed his load all over the shop.
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Post by flashblade on May 17, 2014 18:13:37 GMT
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Post by bryan1985 on May 20, 2014 7:57:44 GMT
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