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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 19:05:25 GMT
Flanagan has no credibility at all. How did he even get this role in cricket? He was an absolute sectaraian stain as head of the RUC, when many of his officers were in open collusion with the UVF.
His predecessor Condon was bad enough, an awful man who was in charge at the time of the Stephen Lawrence disgrace and who went on record as saying that "most muggers are black". But Flanagan has even less credibility.
After what happened in the Cairns trial, his claim that "I don't feel we have to regain trust" ranks alongside the idiotic woman from the Environment Agency who last week said that the flood defences in Cumberland had "done their job".
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 18, 2015 9:34:29 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 22, 2015 10:28:19 GMT
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 22, 2015 10:35:17 GMT
You beat me to it s and f! What a wonderful job it must be, to be the head of the Cricket Australia Integrity Unit and to strut around pour encourager les autres.
Bet that sends a shiver down the spine of all those players present and recently-retired who have made a nonsense of "Integrity".
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 18, 2016 10:18:36 GMT
As sport wades through a cesspit of pustular corruption, the next to step up is Tennis. Match-fixing at Wimbledon? The awful indignation and bad play, old bean! Are we surprised, of course not! But what one is surprised by all this appalling contagion are the heads of the sports - the very people who are supposed to govern and stop any corruption - are the most corrupt of all! And the merry-go-round begins all over again with Tennis. ATP president Chris Kermode tells the BBC he is aware there is match-fixing within tennis but says it is at an 'incredibly small level'. Haven't we heard all this before via cycling, football, cricket, athletics... So, what sport is next lining up in the queue? Golf, of course. Perhaps, the easiest sport to fix. So, why have there not been any case examples to date? Probably, because it is the most corrupt and why there has been such an effort to suppress it. As in all these cases, it begins with historic to ease the indignation and then edges ever nearer to the present. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35340949But do you know what really amazes me? The quiet and simple acceptance from the public. Whose daily sport fix must carry on, even when, perhaps, thousands of results, winners, medals, trophies etc etc.. have been gained through fraudulent means. Does anyone have the courage to rip up the historic statistic books and start again? Where a few patsies are found, banned from the sport, and everything can then go on as normal?!? Meanwhile, betting firms are encouraged to become major sponsors, as if giving sport corruption legitimacy, and the whole appalling merry-go-round continues as if it's viewed as being quite normal. Where is the line drawn between sanity and insanity?
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 18, 2016 15:26:02 GMT
And in Sri Lanka, the fast bowling coach is suspended after "...bringing in a man with no top-level cricketing experience to help the squad at training sessions", bent on fixing a Test against the West Indies. Despite the best efforts of the fixer the batting collapse didn't happen and West Indies were defeated by an innings. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/35345177
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Post by leedsgull on Jan 18, 2016 17:07:28 GMT
If these sports want to be "clean" then they must immediately cut all ties with bookmakers. Whatever the cost it is ridiculous to be enthralled to these people.
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Post by fraudster on Jan 18, 2016 21:14:51 GMT
What does bookies sponsoring sport have to do with the scandal? If you cut ties with bookie sponsors do you people honestly think it will stop gangsters from trying to corrupt sports people and then bet on it? How? It's as if your only argument is some sort of moral stance, a moral stance which carries absolutely no effectiveness at all.
There's only one way to completely eradicate it - ban gambling. That ain't gonna happen so we just have to hope that everyone will reject and report when approached. Not all the low earners will of course and 'shady' people in all walks of life is as natural as the green grass.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 19, 2016 10:21:34 GMT
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Post by flashblade on Jan 19, 2016 11:09:52 GMT
What's depressing is when sporting bodies try to protect their reputation by playing down these problems. Then when the **** hits the fan, their credibility is totally shot. When will they realise that the way to protect a sport's reputation is to go hard after the cheats, and to tell the world that this is what they're doing.
I guess there are parallels with churches and child abuse.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 19, 2016 12:08:37 GMT
Fb, You make an excellent point. The Establishment always has and always will protect its own. This attitude is forged into its very DNA whether it be match-fixing, child abuse or whatever other unsavoury act. Tennis has Wimbledon, golf Augusta, horse-racing Ascot, football Wembley etc etc.. and if any of these 'establishment' venues, in particular, has even a whiff of match-fixing or general cheating, the ranks close together and become the Muskateer 'One for All'. As you suggest, transparency and honesty is the only way forward but when the very heads of these sports are up to their necks in corruption, greed and cheating, what can you do? Lord Coe must still be in shock after realising that even when Vice-President of the 'IAAF' he had no idea what was going on at the very top (that's my personal view, anyway). Sadly, his position is untenable. Today, another respected former athlete, Linford Christie, has come out calling for his head. As the world tries to survive amidst the increasing chaos, the establishment is the last hope to achieve 'controlled chaos'. That is the best that can be achieved. But when the eventual and final economic crisis occurs, when even the dying financial patient cannot be kept alive anymore by the daily defibrillator dose, then what? Perhaps, it's time to go back to the drawing board and start again. Below is an excellent article on the establishment. theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/peter-ball-how-the-british-establishment-protects-its-own/
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 19, 2016 12:44:32 GMT
What's depressing is when sporting bodies try to protect their reputation by playing down these problems. Then when the **** hits the fan, their credibility is totally shot. When will they realise that the way to protect a sport's reputation is to go hard after the cheats, and to tell the world that this is what they're doing. I guess there are parallels with churches and child abuse.Indeed and with all such monolithic institutions that feel that their antiquity or former magnificence lends them immunity from the normal processes of the law and morality. You can see it in the initial responses of the Conservative party to the complaints about bullying in its youth organisation; in the attitude of those who own utility companies to concerns about their pricing and environmental policies; in the shoddy history of the Metropolitan police handling of the Stephen Lawrence case and others. It is a mixture of a desperate concern with preserving reputational integrity and an almost hysterical contempt for those who would dare to question the organisation. In every case the institution suffers because the latter attitude ensures the very thing that they wish to avoid, and the more grievously than if they had treated the initial concerns openly. Sporting bodies are particularly prone to this kind of ethical shilly-shallying, hiding behind the shelter of the brand, the prestige and the desperate urgency to keep the sponsors happy and their money rolling in. It suited them to present the image of the old amateur style, the "great tradition" and the boardroom with the silver cups and shields, the debenture seats and blazers rampant when they came to market and did business with the sporting goods companies. Adidas, Nike, Sports Direct and all the others could bask a little in the walnut glow of the clubhouse furnishings, putting another barrier up themselves from unwelcome investigation into their unsavoury child-exploitation in Asian factories, whilst the old buffers could pretend that they had improved their sport and their own stewardship by successful alliance with modern marketing. In practice one set of pimps was handing over the keys of the brothel to a younger, meaner mob and protesting that they had no involvement in this shameless trade in flesh. Against this background it is no wonder that corruption grows wherever there is a market to be made. One of the worst policies introduced by any British government was the deregulation of gambling advertising in 2007 following the 2005 Gambling Act. The stifling hypocrisy of the "I'm a responsible gambler" ads cloaks the fact that for many people there is no responsibility in gambling, and massive temptation to influence outcomes, rising in direct relationship to the prestige of the sport and the money available.
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Post by flashblade on Jan 19, 2016 13:04:40 GMT
What's depressing is when sporting bodies try to protect their reputation by playing down these problems. Then when the **** hits the fan, their credibility is totally shot. When will they realise that the way to protect a sport's reputation is to go hard after the cheats, and to tell the world that this is what they're doing. I guess there are parallels with churches and child abuse.Indeed and with all such monolithic institutions that feel that their antiquity or former magnificence lends them immunity from the normal processes of the law and morality. You can see it in the initial responses of the Conservative party to the complaints about bullying in its youth organisation; in the attitude of those who own utility companies to concerns about their pricing and environmental policies; in the shoddy history of the Metropolitan police handling of the Stephen Lawrence case and others. It is a mixture of a desperate concern with preserving reputational integrity and an almost hysterical contempt for those who would dare to question the organisation. In every case the institution suffers because the latter attitude ensures the very thing that they wish to avoid, and the more grievously than if they had treated the initial concerns openly. Sporting bodies are particularly prone to this kind of ethical shilly-shallying, hiding behind the shelter of the brand, the prestige and the desperate urgency to keep the sponsors happy and their money rolling in. It suited them to present the image of the old amateur style, the "great tradition" and the boardroom with the silver cups and shields, the debenture seats and blazers rampant when they came to market and did business with the sporting goods companies. Adidas, Nike, Sports Direct and all the others could bask a little in the walnut glow of the clubhouse furnishings, putting another barrier up themselves from unwelcome investigation into their unsavoury child-exploitation in Asian factories, whilst the old buffers could pretend that they had improved their sport and their own stewardship by successful alliance with modern marketing. In practice one set of pimps was handing over the keys of the brothel to a younger, meaner mob and protesting that they had no involvement in this shameless trade in flesh. Against this background it is no wonder that corruption grows wherever there is a market to be made. One of the worst policies introduced by any British government was the deregulation of gambling advertising in 2007 following the 2005 Gambling Act. The stifling hypocrisy of the "I'm a responsible gambler" ads cloaks the fact that for many people there is no responsibility in gambling, and massive temptation to influence outcomes, rising in direct relationship to the prestige of the sport and the money available. Great post, HHS. It's a good job the 4th estate is still getting stuck into these corrupt institutions. Where would we be without investigative journalism that is genuinely in the public interest?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 19, 2016 14:56:27 GMT
I'm proud of the 4th estate and the rekindling of proper investigative journalism. After the phone hacking scandal and the Murdoch gutter press, one hopes this once noble art is rising again like a reborn phoenix via these series of sports corruption horrors.
I was inspired by the Watergate Scandal and Bernstein and Woodward. Hopefully, younger journalists today are being motivated by the fantastic work carried out by reporters from the Sunday Times and the German broadcaster ARD/WDR, who were responsible for bringing the athletics doping shame to the world. The author/journalist Andrew Jennings whose published book in 2006 started the drip-drip of the FIFA revelations. And now journalists from the BBC and BuzzFeed News who have begun a similar process with the tennis match-fixing. Not forgetting Mazher Mahmood and the cricket cheating.
What becomes so tedious is the bog-standard process that sporting authorities go through when under threat.
First, DENIAL; then the SILENCE; followed by the COVER UP; then when investigative journalism brings evidence to the surface the downplaying and 'on a tiny scale' phrase; followed by DEFENSIVENESS, further REVELATIONS and eventual SHAME.
The establishment has always been corrupt to its core as it protects each other and always will do. Vested interests rule the roost and one suspects today's establishment is at a tipping point as more and more scandals and corruption come to the surface. There is a cleansing going on and a much needed one. Some suggest this is just a tip of the iceberg with the really HUGE scandals still to manifest.
If true, then the next 25 years could be very rocky indeed.
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 20, 2016 8:20:38 GMT
Today's shock/horror announcement: ICC suspends groundsman! www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/77397/ICC-suspends-Galle-curator-Jayananda-WarnaweeraMemorable for the laughably smug comments of little Ronnie Flanagan, the hopelessy out of his depth chair of the ACU , speaking on autopilot as they suspend a groundsman for failing to appear before them and provide documents on request : "The ICC has a zero-tolerance approach towards corruption and it will not hesitate in taking such decisions in its endeavor to eliminate this menace from the sport." Meanwhile the search for the money goes on......
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