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Post by jonboy on Jun 26, 2015 16:05:12 GMT
I've not seen Dickson play, but how often do those kind of signings work? Surely he'd have played a bit more first class cricket in South Africa if he was that good, and we are counting the cost of giving Zaidi a two year contract on the back of some decent second XI cricket. Even he and Cachopa had played a fair bit more first class cricket at home before coming over so the risk was less. I don't think Zaidi's performances for the seconds were anywhere near as impressive as this guys have been. Craig Cachopa did put in some good performances, but even he has been outshone by this bloke. We aren't so flush with openers that we could turn our noses up at this guy. Maybe we should have a closer look
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 17:22:05 GMT
I've not seen Dickson play, but how often do those kind of signings work? Surely he'd have played a bit more first class cricket in South Africa if he was that good, and we are counting the cost of giving Zaidi a two year contract on the back of some decent second XI cricket. Even he and Cachopa had played a fair bit more first class cricket at home before coming over so the risk was less. Nine f/c matches in South Africa, with one century and two fifties.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 27, 2015 4:35:44 GMT
Yet another hundred for Sean Dickson for Kent IIs today, his second ton of the week. This lad is scoring runs for fun and if Kent won't contract him because their chief executive has an ambition to create a side that is 100 per cent home-bred (nine in their side v Australians), then someone else should move in, because he is hot - and he has a UK/EU passport... Odd that, if that is the chief executives aim, that same second eleven side contained six players born overseas, two of which, Dickson and Selman, scored centuries. As did one time Sussex second eleven player, Ollie Graham for MCC
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 7:04:52 GMT
The Kent chief executive said he has a "personal obsession" to put out an all-Kent side.
He went on: "The make-up of our team is the result of a deliberate policy to give opportunity to young players who have come up through our county’s representative age group and Academy systems...we have decided not to engage an overseas player simply because we want to give the best opportunity to our home-produced players.That, in my view, is what county cricket clubs should be doing." That's why Kent won't contract Dickson, although they are happy to give him a shop window in the second XI.
He also rails against 'overseas players' at other counties, even when they have a UK qualifcation like Cachopa, and after a recent defeat at Old Trafford he complained: "Lancashire fielded four overseas players against us - Peter Siddle, their official overseas signing, plus Ashwell Prince, Alviro Petersen and Kyle Jarvis, who for various reasons are able to play as non-overseas registrations.The contrast between Lancashire’s team line-up to our approach was stark."
He's almost there; the only non Kent-raised player who has been a regular in the first XI this season is Stevens, who came from Leics - and you would guess he is due to retire at the end of the season and be replaced by a Kent product. Fit fast bowlers, as Sussex knows all too well, are harder to find and Claydon has also been a regular in the squad (although he has only played about half of the CC matches). They also have Griffiths from Hants and Haggett from Somerset (neither of whom is ever fit).
It's an old-fashioned policy, admirable up to a point and no doubt has the approval of Nigel Farage. But it's also pretty blinkered and short-sighted : when Kent point to the stark contrast with the policy of Lancashire, there is also , of course, a stark contrast in performance - Lancs are top and Kent are bottom.
And I'm not sure how such an insular approach benefits young homegrown players : they can learn a huge amount from having world-class team mates in the dressing room (think what everyone says Mahela brought to Sussex, which went far beyond his runs). Rob Key said yesterday that Kent's young players were learning more from the four day fixture agaisnt the Australians than in a whole season of county cricket.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 27, 2015 9:03:07 GMT
Well he's nearly right in my opinion, especially about Lancs - there's winning the right way and winning the wrong way, for me personally. But he also goes too far across with the all Kent thing - nice dream, in a way, but unrealistic with regards to success. A nucleus of home grown players is ideal, so the bulk, but with a quality foreign player or two and some additional English players from outside the county as well. My aim would be something like 6-3-2 in an ideal world - six homies, three outsiders and two foreign stars. That was my view on the old board too but people just said I was homophobic and in-bred, or something. They wouldn't like that Kent chappie at all.
Agreed JB, bit strange of him to have these players in his seconds if that's his aim. The rules are one OS aren't they, I think it should be two, always have. But I can't stand the rules being broken on this point because of a ruling that comes from an organisation that has nothing to do with cricket and should have nothing to do with England. Teams take the piss a bit by bending these rules through some EU directive to give themselves immediate success but I reckon that's detrimental to our national game, but not so much the county game. Two OS, no more, call them what you want but that's the way to get the best of both worlds, for me.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 27, 2015 9:48:24 GMT
I think the 2-6-3 is probably what most of us would want. It would always be difficult for a county with a small catchment area, like Sussex, to compete with the larger counties like Yorkshire and Lancashire. Where I'd like to see us change things is, for example, if we're going to have a squad of 24, let's try not to carry too many journeymen, who have little chance of playing for the firsts, but should not be clogging up the seconds at the age of thirty. Hopefully, with a few contracts running out this winter, we can concentrate on bringing in two or three quality signings, and supplementing them with a few of our own youngsters. Having said that, seriously, if we had the chance to sign a Kolpak now, someone who would help us in our quest to stay in the top division, sure I'd want us to take it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 12:34:26 GMT
Apropos nothing in particular other than that it made me laugh, another quote from Rob Key yesterday when asked how he had found the Aussie attack : "I'm not paid enough to face Mitchell Johnson."
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 27, 2015 17:32:34 GMT
I actually think we have the young talent to produce a team along those lines. They just seem to be stuck in a place where they are struggling to develop it into consistency, and again I think that's more important than any signings we may make. It would be great to get someone like Goodwin involved with the young batsmen.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 27, 2015 17:44:02 GMT
I actually think we have the young talent to produce a team along those lines. They just seem to be stuck in a place where they are struggling to develop it into consistency, and again I think that's more important than any signings we may make. It would be great to get someone like Goodwin involved with the young batsmen. Don't disagree, but we have some glaring gaps that cannot be filled adequately, yet, by the youngsters. Some positions, like keepers for instance, we always seem able to produce, and yet we struggle to produce a decent opening bat. That is not to knock Nash and Wells, although both were converted bowlers. They both do a reasonable job, but there have been a few occasions where it's been evident that it's not their natural position.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 28, 2015 15:57:22 GMT
2-6-3 JB? How dare you turn my formation on its arse.
I think there should be a rule where you should have a minimum of six homies starting at all times otherwise it will be ignored in the pursuit of instant success, regardless of whether or not the old 3-2-6 ratio is favoured by most or not. You could have five OS or five outsiders joining them, or whatever ratio you want as long as it's no more than five, effectively, as the point would be for all clubs to be building a nucleus of English lads for the national team to look at, so the other five could be anyone because you've got your six - six homies and Jayawardene, Bailey, Cachopa, Magoffin and either Zaidi or Saeed Ajmal. Not sure which. Not sure about that whole idea either but it's just an example of the scope you still have after you've picked your six homeboys. We've had between five and seven regularly this season and today we have five, as it happens.
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 28, 2015 16:33:44 GMT
Do people think Scott Borthwick would be unrealistic? He's bowled 2 out of 78 overs for Durham, surely if he wants an England career he should move somewhere that he is likely to get a bowl. He would fix our all-rounder problem
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 15:04:44 GMT
Too late for Sussex to make a move on Sean Dickson. Despite the Kent chief exec insisting there would be no overseas signings, he signed a two year contrac with Kent on Wednesday:- Woolpit Cricket Club 9 July at 11:45 · Congratulations to Sean Dickson who signed a 2 year professional contract with Kent yesterday. Best wishes from all at Woolpit will be following your career with interest.
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 11, 2015 15:50:31 GMT
After 894 runs @ 69 with four tons and three fifties it was inevitable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 10:35:53 GMT
Sean Dickson has won the annual Second XI Player of The Year award, presented by the Association of Cricket Statisticians.
He should force his way into the Kent first XI next season and if he gets a full run of CC games, I'd back him to make 1000 runs.
If he does, remember that you read about him here first - and that when he was still a free agent I suggested that Sussex offered him a contract!
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Post by fraudster on Dec 10, 2015 18:52:33 GMT
Sean Dickson has won the annual Second XI Player of The Year award, presented by the Association of Cricket Statisticians. He should force his way into the Kent first XI next season and if he gets a full run of CC games, I'd back him to make 1000 runs. If he does, remember that you read about him here first - and that when he was still a free agent I suggested that Sussex offered him a contract! I'll remember if he doesn't, you show-off. We probably felt we'd had our fill of foreign flops.
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