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Post by jonfilby on Jul 31, 2015 7:17:39 GMT
I thought that an interesting topic to get us started on might be "Developing stronger links between our county team and recreational clubs".
As part of the consultation about the "Sussex Cricket Strategy" I am visiting clubs around the county and a number of excellent ideas for growing the link between clubs and the team are emerging. Your ideas on this are most welcome.
Thank you.
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Post by moderator1 on Jul 31, 2015 7:49:30 GMT
Thanks Jon. As I understand it you are developing a strategy for the new Sussex Cricket Ltd organisation that will merge SCCC and the Sussex Cricket Board into one body and the strategy should therefore identify what that body wants to achieve and to set up some indicators that will tell it if it is going in the right direction. To do that you have obviously amassed a lot of data but there will be arguments to be considered that are currently rather subjective, because the only evidence is anecdotal.
So perhaps a couple of questions that might help in this context are:
Do those who play cricket at club level go and watch the county side? If not, what are the reasons? Do they occasionally watch International cricket?
Do followers of the game who consider themselves too old or infirm to play cricket anymore watch their local recreational sides? If not, why?
It would be helpful if members of this forum would post with their own experiences and thoughts on this thread.
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Post by jonfilby on Jul 31, 2015 7:56:37 GMT
Yes - that is right. This is the strategy for the new organisation and as can be seen from the slides posted on the Sussex Cricket Strategy thread, there are effectively four parts to the strategy: Performance, Participation, Community and Sustainability.
Your suggested questions are interesting and I look forward to hearing from members of the forum about their experiences and thoughts.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 31, 2015 9:16:01 GMT
I am a BIG supporter of this project as not only is it a win-win for Sussex CCC but for local cricket around the county.
The way forward for English CC, as their Community Officer, Tracey Francis at Notts has proven, is through the community or as I describe it, "Touching the local community". You can place as many posters in bus shelters and the like as you want, advertising Championship or 50 over games, but as the club found out last season, it does little to boost attendance and your marketing budget is thrown down a hungry and gaping hole. You have to touch the community in a different way today - a way which draws them closer to the club via a "shared cricketing experience" (sounds like a soundbite!)
As for ideas I'll be back.
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Post by fraudster on Jul 31, 2015 22:48:40 GMT
Yeah let's hope so cos that was a waste of a post.
What's the difference between 'touching the local community' and focus clubs? If a recreational club is too small to be a focus club then just change that, so there are more focus clubs.
Sounds like a marketing/jargon push to me.
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Post by jonfilby on Aug 1, 2015 10:03:08 GMT
Look forward to hearing those ideas Soft.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 1, 2015 10:23:56 GMT
Some Initial Ideas on the Community Aspect of 'Sussex Cricket Ltd'
I have chatted to Tracey Francis at Notts various times during the last few years and have been mightily impressed with her pioneering community work. It was her vision which impressed the ECB so much they awarded Trentbridge two Ashes Tests, one in 2013 and the impending one in 2015. Outside of Lords and The Oval, a recent rare occurrence for a TMG. www.trentbridge.co.uk/cricket/community/index.html: Use the pioneering community work at Nottinghamshire CCC under the leadership of Tracey Francis as a guide. : Each player that signs a contract with Sussex CCC commits himself to attending a minimum of 7 community events a season which may include public speaking, coaching, signing autographs and Q&As. Any player who feels shy or uncomfortable with public-speaking is sent on a course to boost confidence and skills. : The cricketers are the ambassadors of the club, so emphasis is placed on learning how to liaise with the public. Specialist subjects are encouraged whether it be talking to school-children about nutrition, how to deal with bullying, or developing as a successful sports person. : The Sussex coaches must come onboard and become a part of the community work, not just during the off-season but more importantly during the actual season. This is of vital importance. They need to encourage their players as much as the hierarchy. : Regular visits to hospitals, interviews on radio and local TV, the players must become far more active within the community as a whole and gain the confidence to be in the public eye on a regular basis. Children, in particular, require sporting heroes. : At Notts, some cricketers enjoy their community work so much they demand to do more! : Sussex CCC sponsor a major cricket club tournament with serious prize money. Perhaps, a FA style-knock out competition. eg. 'The Sussex CCC Community Shield Cup'. www.sussexcricket.co.uk/leagues
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Post by jonfilby on Aug 1, 2015 10:41:25 GMT
Many thanks Soft.
This is very useful and will certainly be part of our plans. Interestingly a reduction to 12 CC matches would give players more time for community engagement.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 3, 2015 6:19:42 GMT
Responding to this thread, it is difficult not to make it seem like a confessional, because I am one who loves cricket but does not actively support my local side. I was a social member about 20 years ago and went to many matches, but changes to the social set I move in and personal circumstances meant that I gradually dropped out of that. That coincided with a sharp downturn in the fortunes of the club, who are nowadays two divisions lower than at their peak. I don't think I'm alone in feeling that one has to be either deeply involved with the club - groundsman, bar, fundraising, performing renovations to facilities - or the club is in a small community and very picturesque location for it to be attractive to go and watch a poor side playing badly. Of course it is a vicious circle: the side might be better if more people were involved, had the community behind it, thus having a larger pool of players etc. It does not help that I live in what could be described as a dormitory town without a well-defined centre and lacking in community cohesion. Against that I resumed playing - very poorly but with spirit - in my 50s for an evening midweek 20 overs side and continued until it was obvious that I was taking longer to bend for the ball scudding past me at mid off than it took for the batsmen to run 4. In those years I travelled to a number of well run local clubs, some groupings of friends, others well-established village and works sides, and several of those clubs were very well-supported and had lively social memberships, adding these mid-week games in to the pattern of their weekend league fixtures. From my experience then, I think that the professional side in Sussex can act as a cynosure to the recreational game but that without a strong community spirit behind the local club, then a good standard Sussex CCC will draw away support from those who find it hard to settle for second-best or worse. What do others on this forum think, particularly those who've played to a higher standard than me - which is probably anyone who has ever played the game!
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Post by grandavefan on Aug 3, 2015 8:02:11 GMT
The problem with all this waffle is no one does anything but talk! Get in the schools you Sussex coaches. Not fee paying schools, the ordinary state ones. Bet Greenfield hasn't seen a player come out of a state school since he was at one. All from fee paying now. And Sussex need to remember beyond the A27 up to Crawley and Gatwick it is still Sussex! I can send a map if it helps.
Make it cheap for kids to go and watch. Send the pros round to talk. They all sit in the changing area or when they do go out it's only to the boundary club/bar. That's interaction with the community! You're right fraudster, just pure marketing/PR babble.
Nothing ever gets done.
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Post by jim on Aug 3, 2015 9:47:51 GMT
Understand your frustration GDF but plenty of initiatives with state schools currently underway. I am aware of at least three secondaries that have linked up with us in last few months to do more cricket- one in WS, one in ES and one in B&H. Also the ACA is a completely new approach - declare an interest here as I am a Governor at BACA. Most very good state school cricketers get bursaries to go to public schools and ACA is another route Still loads more to do in Sussex - resources/volunteers/money! www.aldridgefoundation.com/schools-colleges/south-east/aldridge-cricket-academy/
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Post by moderator1 on Aug 6, 2015 6:17:15 GMT
From another discussion, these comments are relevant to this thread 12 hours ago borderman said:With no wins in six and Sussex nailed on to finish bottom of the group, can I make a suggestion to Jon Filby for the one remaining home game v Essex on Aug 19? We know that Jim May has a loathing of free tickets (even when provided by sponsors "without whom" etc etc) - but as part of Jon's project to "develop stronger links between our county team and recreational clubs", why not blitz those clubs (and their junior sections in particular) with a couple of thousand free tickets ? "Performance, Participation, Community and Sustainability", I think, were the four prongs of Jon's strategy and such an initiative perfectly fits those objectives. In terms of paying customers Hove is going to be three-quarters empty on the 19th, so there is no reason why Sussex's recreational cricket clubs shouldn't be papered with free tickets, is there? joeGreat idea but why not go a step further and invite the youngsters to watch the youngsters? Put out a squad of future stars i.e Finch, Jackson, H-P, Sakande, whittingham, Salt, Cammish, Garton, Haines? All these players play Saturday premier league and as such are known and looked up to by the young club players. It could be marketed as ' future stars ' and would be something for the younger club players to aspire to. Much easier to imagine yourself as a Sussex player if you see players turning out for the first team who are only a few years older than you are? Read more: unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/thread/458/royal-london-middlesex-hove-august?page=2#ixzz3i0qx73yV
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Post by jim on Aug 6, 2015 10:03:51 GMT
BM. Am open minded about free tickets being targetted at particular audiences.
However I am quite passionate about not devaluing the value of the product or we might as well give up with staging professional cricket!!.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 6, 2015 10:23:36 GMT
BM. Am open minded about free tickets being targetted at particular audiences. However I am quite passionate about not devaluing the value of the product or we might as well give up with staging professional cricket!!. What is the value of an empty seat? How does it enhance the quality of the product for it to be played out to two small boys, a dog, and a gaggle of braying suits in the hospitality tent?
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Post by flashblade on Aug 6, 2015 11:09:20 GMT
"a gaggle of braying suits in the hospitality tent"
Love it!!
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