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Post by rsdonovan on Sept 4, 2015 18:16:07 GMT
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Post by moderator1 on Sept 4, 2015 18:29:40 GMT
Thanks rsdonovan - a very good link and perhaps an answer to emsworth's earlier post. Thanks to both of you for your maiden posts on this board!
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Post by emsworth on Sept 4, 2015 19:22:56 GMT
Thanks, Mr Moderator.
Unfortunately, the petition is unlikely to gain enough support, and could even be counter productive, given the impossibility of widely publicising it. (I hope I'm wrong). Plus a lot of people might baulk at putting their street address etc on such a site. The DOAG film (which is a MUST SEE for all cricket people, I think there's a showing soon in Brighton which may still need support to go ahead) has an associated petition which has attracted disappointing interest, despite widespread National press publicity.
If anyone does have any CEO, Chairman, other ECB board members e-mails directly contacting them has proved successful in the past. They know their arguments are not defensible, indeed contradict recent well publicized experience, and if they get a hint of how angry the people who have supported the game throughout the pre-Sky £££ years, and beyond they may start to feel a little ashamed, as they should.
And as the ECB pretends to be acting in the interest of the game their decisions might rightfully be subject to Judicial review, which might serve to cast a little light where the ECB would find illumination somewhat inconvenient. When all is said and done, A CBE isn't the same as a Knighthood, is it?
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Post by emsworth on Sept 4, 2015 19:58:58 GMT
The DOAG film details are here www.ourscreen.com/screening/39775The film is obviously about cricket. But it's perhaps more about how power corrupts, so it can appeal to quite a wide audience. People who know nothing of cricket have found it a good watch. For cricket people, it's essential viewing.
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Post by chris3450 on Sept 4, 2015 20:26:14 GMT
Thanks, Mr Moderator. Unfortunately, the petition is unlikely to gain enough support, and could even be counter productive, given the impossibility of widely publicising it. (I hope I'm wrong). Plus a lot of people might baulk at putting their street address etc on such a site. The DOAG film (which is a MUST SEE for all cricket people, I think there's a showing soon in Brighton which may still need support to go ahead) has an associated petition which has attracted disappointing interest, despite widespread National press publicity. If anyone does have any CEO, Chairman, other ECB board members e-mails directly contacting them has proved successful in the past. They know their arguments are not defensible, indeed contradict recent well publicized experience, and if they get a hint of how angry the people who have supported the game throughout the pre-Sky £££ years, and beyond they may start to feel a little ashamed, as they should. And as the ECB pretends to be acting in the interest of the game their decisions might rightfully be subject to Judicial review, which might serve to cast a little light where the ECB would find illumination somewhat inconvenient. When all is said and done, A CBE isn't the same as a Knighthood, is it? You don't have toput a street address. It accepts Streatham & London in each field for instance. Needs to be added to as many county forums as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 7:23:25 GMT
Thanks, Mr Moderator. Unfortunately, the petition is unlikely to gain enough support, and could even be counter productive, given the impossibility of widely publicising it. (I hope I'm wrong). Plus a lot of people might baulk at putting their street address etc on such a site. The DOAG film (which is a MUST SEE for all cricket people, I think there's a showing soon in Brighton which may still need support to go ahead) has an associated petition which has attracted disappointing interest, despite widespread National press publicity. If anyone does have any CEO, Chairman, other ECB board members e-mails directly contacting them has proved successful in the past. They know their arguments are not defensible, indeed contradict recent well publicized experience, and if they get a hint of how angry the people who have supported the game throughout the pre-Sky £££ years, and beyond they may start to feel a little ashamed, as they should. And as the ECB pretends to be acting in the interest of the game their decisions might rightfully be subject to Judicial review, which might serve to cast a little light where the ECB would find illumination somewhat inconvenient. When all is said and done, A CBE isn't the same as a Knighthood, is it? I am not angry and applaud Graves and Harrison for trying to effect the changes that are necessary to save the game we love. I have "supported the game throughout the pre-Sky years", and saw my first county game in 1962. Sky TV has existed for 26 years, so there are two entire generations of cricket watchers who did not support the game before the advent of satelltte broadcasting and Graves and Harrison are to be commended for thinking about the future of cricket and the generations we all hope will be attracted to the game in years to come instead of concentrating on the past and the esoteric interests of a few doddery old pensioners such as myself. The idea of taking the ECB to judicial review is an appalling own goal (or perhaps that should be run-out!) and I'd urge people not to sign this petition. If I am angry about anything it is the blinkered conservatism that is delaying the introduction of a T20 super league along the lines of the IPL and Australia's Big Bash. And I say that as someone who watches red ball cricket and hardly ever attends white ball cricket - and never, ever when it is under floodlights.
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Post by chris3450 on Sept 5, 2015 10:59:54 GMT
How are these proposals "necessary to save the game we love"?
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Post by hhsussex on Sept 10, 2015 14:55:53 GMT
Some interesting facts here ( www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/content/story/919289.html) and reflections on the gradual stagnation of T20 in England for the television viewing audience. The point is made that whilst the live attendance at cricket grounds for the Friday night slots seems to have grown, the TV figures continue to slump. "This season's NatWest T20 Blast Finals Day registered the day's worst UK broadcast viewership since the competition began in 2003" Not brought out in that article is the effect this may have on interest levels in cricket and the money to be earned. If broadcasters feel that the competition lacks sufficient charisma to sway audiences from the competitive fare (this year's viewing figures for the Final day are contrasted with Mo Farah winning a Wold Championship Gold medal, the launch date of the new X Factor series, and a programme of Premier League soccer matches) then advertising will suffer in consequence and the broadcaster will be less keen to offer attractive sums when renewing the contract or bidding for any future competitions. Cash at the gates can never compensate for the loss of broadcasting rights revenue, although ironically the club who could coast along on gate money from their vast arena are the most strident in opposition to reforms that could make the competition meaningful and exciting for a new generation of viewers and spectators.
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Post by flashblade on Sept 10, 2015 15:17:17 GMT
Some interesting facts here ( www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/content/story/919289.html) and reflections on the gradual stagnation of T20 in England for the television viewing audience. The point is made that whilst the live attendance at cricket grounds for the Friday night slots seems to have grown, the TV figures continue to slump. "This season's NatWest T20 Blast Finals Day registered the day's worst UK broadcast viewership since the competition began in 2003" Not brought out in that article is the effect this may have on interest levels in cricket and the money to be earned. If broadcasters feel that the competition lacks sufficient charisma to sway audiences from the competitive fare (this year's viewing figures for the Final day are contrasted with Mo Farah winning a Wold Championship Gold medal, the launch date of the new X Factor series, and a programme of Premier League soccer matches) then advertising will suffer in consequence and the broadcaster will be less keen to offer attractive sums when renewing the contract or bidding for any future competitions. Cash at the gates can never compensate for the loss of broadcasting rights revenue, although ironically the club who could coast along on gate money from their vast arena are the most strident in opposition to reforms that could make the competition meaningful and exciting for a new generation of viewers and spectators. Could this be partly because the additional people attending on Friday nights are no longer watching the matches on TV? - and those that do watch on TV have better things to do on a Friday night? If the competition is played in a block, then it might be tempting to watch say a Tuesday night match on TV rather than schlep along to the ground - I've done this myself on a few occasions. I suspect the block system lends itself more to TV viewing - it can be inconvenient and expensive to attend a number of matches within a short time frame. There is no marginal cost to watch the match on Sky, and no journey home, with the following day's work in mind.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 10, 2015 15:18:54 GMT
Hhs, This is very disappointing news. The journo, Freddie Wilde, is a keen advocate of an EPL, so whether this has anything to do with the story angle is unknown but figures don't lie, and when SKY are the only broadcaster of Finals Day, some blame must be placed on their doorstep. Do they do sufficient advertising, marketing etc.. of the tournament, or are they placing all their attention on the Premiership and its recent new season kick-off? One hopes BT Sport may have an influence going forward. Apart from the Ashes, SKY have always viewed cricket with some disdain and see it merely as filling in Summer scheduling gaps when football is off the air. The broadcaster has purposefully held cricket back, imho, wishing football to be the primary English sport. My view is, BT Sport must become a major player, if cricket is not to become a minor Tennis-type sport of the future. An interesting piece from the BBC today. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/34192650
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Post by theleopard on Sept 12, 2015 7:42:09 GMT
Some interesting facts here ( www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/content/story/919289.html) and reflections on the gradual stagnation of T20 in England for the television viewing audience. The point is made that whilst the live attendance at cricket grounds for the Friday night slots seems to have grown, the TV figures continue to slump. "This season's NatWest T20 Blast Finals Day registered the day's worst UK broadcast viewership since the competition began in 2003" Oh for the days when a more or less identical fixture list came out every September and the counties got through the winter with a firework display and a few Sunday morning car boot sales in the car park.
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Post by fraudster on Sept 13, 2015 14:50:27 GMT
Hhs, This is very disappointing news. The journo, Freddie Wilde, is a keen advocate of an EPL, so whether this has anything to do with the story angle is unknown but figures don't lie, and when SKY are the only broadcaster of Finals Day, some blame must be placed on their doorstep. Do they do sufficient advertising, marketing etc.. of the tournament, or are they placing all their attention on the Premiership and its recent new season kick-off? One hopes BT Sport may have an influence going forward. Apart from the Ashes, SKY have always viewed cricket with some disdain and see it merely as filling in Summer scheduling gaps when football is off the air. The broadcaster has purposefully held cricket back, imho, wishing football to be the primary English sport. My view is, BT Sport must become a major player, if cricket is not to become a minor Tennis-type sport of the future. An interesting piece from the BBC today. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/34192650What? SKY don't need to hold back cricket because of football, cricket is no threat to football, football is 100 times more popular than cricket and always will be. There's nothing anyone can do about that. Cricket is already, and always has been, a minor tennis type sport. Good luck getting an answer to your question Chris - not only because the bloke you've asked has up-anchored but because nobody has an answer to it. We've been through it all on here and people like Borderman and S&F have no answer to the all important differences between us and Australia/India.
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Post by flashblade on Sept 16, 2015 15:08:43 GMT
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Post by flashblade on Sept 16, 2015 16:02:44 GMT
Here is the ECB's formal announcement re 2016: www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/content/story/921203.htmlAfter all the posturing, arguing and the promise of a better fixture structure, this comes as a complete and utter anti-climax. Change is only delayed, I hope. The players won't like this, the coaches won't like this and Sky won't be too impressed either, I suspect. And how many of our diminishing band of season ticket holders like the current CC fixture structure. If Graves feels he has to have the counties' agreement to any meaningful changes, he'll have to be a darn sight more persuasive - or ruthless.
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Post by howardh on Sept 16, 2015 17:16:38 GMT
A proper decision which is most welcome. This will allow further thought and a clearer structure to come through for 2017. I applaud their common sense.
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