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Post by fraudster on Oct 3, 2015 14:55:41 GMT
The problem is that while it's a sensible discussion their conclusions for the fixture list - as is often the case with people expressing opinions on the fixture list without having to compile one - are full of holes. One contributor says to start with 50 overs and then begin the Championship in June and then begin t20 in the school holidays. So, nothing but RL 50 for the first 9 weeks of the season and then somehow all the Championship and t20 has to be fitted into three and a third months? A couple more suggest a 50 over knockout which would "reduce the amount of games throughout the season, giving players a break". Not so much for the teams that reach the final! Surely the glaring issue here is that teams knocked out at the beginning would end up playing just one 50 over game all season. Well I've said what your second paragraph says but I wouldn't make the 50 over comp last nine sodding weeks. The less flitting between formats the better, that's a fact which all who matter, and those of us that don't, agree on. Do with that what you can. As for the set-up of the 50 over comp, I too suggested a knockout thing, and I see the issue you bring up - although most teams would play two games minimum because I'd include the minor counties again. I might rename them though given the age we live in - the also important counties. Anyway, compromise - a small group comp then a knockout stage. Minimum of five or so games max of nine or so, all over in a month. Took me three minutes to conquer that challenge and I'm merely an emu farmer with an IQ of 106. My common sense levels are through the *** roof though people.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 3, 2015 16:15:07 GMT
The problem is that while it's a sensible discussion their conclusions for the fixture list - as is often the case with people expressing opinions on the fixture list without having to compile one - are full of holes. One contributor says to start with 50 overs and then begin the Championship in June and then begin t20 in the school holidays. So, nothing but RL 50 for the first 9 weeks of the season and then somehow all the Championship and t20 has to be fitted into three and a third months? A couple more suggest a 50 over knockout which would "reduce the amount of games throughout the season, giving players a break". Not so much for the teams that reach the final! S urely the glaring issue here is that teams knocked out at the beginning would end up playing just one 50 over game all season.Why is that so much of an issue in an age where the dynamic styles of T20 play - the bigger bats, the extravagant, unorthodox shots and the variations of pace and pitching of the ball - are synthesised with the more traditional virtues of the first-class game to provide the spectacle of pace and discipline that both New Zealand and Australia exemplified earlier this year? The 50 over game is a marketing model that was successful in it's time but has now been superseded. While the World Cup is still built around it - and I only give that notion another one, maybe two cycles at the most - then it becomes desirable for a national team to emulate those skills, but not to destroy the vital relationship with supporters by choking off either the game's traditional following or the vital prospect of new enthusiasts. The 50 over league is redundant and a drain on resources: a 50 over knockout cup can restore the thrill of Gillette matches and give hope to some teams that there is something to be salvaged from a season in the bottomless pit of despair that is forever Division Two.
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Post by flashblade on Oct 3, 2015 16:32:35 GMT
Funny how the 50 over game has precedence over T20 at international level. AFAIR, competing international sides always play loads more 50 overs than T20. Globally, T20 is mainly a franchise game, not one that the ICC seems to be encouraging very much, apart from the odd World Cup. Anyone understand why this is? Do the ICC not want to risk competition with the big franchise tournaments? Do the TV companies insist on the 50 over format? I suppose if you can get full houses at a 50 over int'l, you'll make more money than if it was T20?
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Post by philh on Oct 3, 2015 16:57:38 GMT
The biggest problem is these leagues of nine. If you lose two or three quickly, it all becomes a bore. Promotion and relegation stimulate interest - hasn't our attempted escape from relegation been exciting?
If there are to be leagues, they need short and sharp - maybe leagues of 4 or 5 before a knock out tournament.
T20 seems to escape this problem as each game stands up on its own, it seems. As long as there are some sixes, no one seems to care too much.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 3, 2015 18:00:55 GMT
The biggest problem is these leagues of nine. If you lose two or three quickly, it all becomes a bore. Promotion and relegation stimulate interest - hasn't our attempted escape from relegation been exciting? If there are to be leagues, they need short and sharp - maybe leagues of 4 or 5 before a knock out tournament. T20 seems to escape this problem as each game stands up on its own, it seems. As long as there are some sixes, no one seems to care too much.I think some would call that the cynical view philh.
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Post by philh on Oct 3, 2015 21:09:13 GMT
The biggest problem is these leagues of nine. If you lose two or three quickly, it all becomes a bore. Promotion and relegation stimulate interest - hasn't our attempted escape from relegation been exciting? If there are to be leagues, they need short and sharp - maybe leagues of 4 or 5 before a knock out tournament. T20 seems to escape this problem as each game stands up on its own, it seems. As long as there are some sixes, no one seems to care too much.I think some would call that the cynical view philh. Me, cynical? Goodness me. I've never heard that before
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 22, 2015 6:55:22 GMT
After a short break, old motormouth is back again ( www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/11946134/Englands-Rugby-World-Cup-humiliation-convinces-ECB-chairman-of-the-need-to-alter-structure-of-domestic-cricket.html ), one of the few people actually watching the Test in Dubai. This time Nick Hoult has cornered him into making comparisons with England's showing as hosts for the Rugby World Cup, and provoked the mega-grocer into a string of non sequiturs: “What I do not want to do in 2019 is be in a similar position with cricket to our rugby World Cup,” “We want to do is reach the final of the World Cup in our own country, and to win it would be brilliant, but for that to happen we have to put cricket in the right position by getting the domestic competitions right. We have three years to do it.” “What we have got to do is to generate money for the domestic game,” “We will look at creating various (broadcast) packages. We have to look at it on a broad basis. We will go out to market and tender and see what happens. Finally, he succumbs to the lure of the specific - and draws a false conclusion “The domestic schedule is crazy with players playing red ball for four days, the white ball for one night on a Friday and then red ball again on Sunday. It is not practical. I think we will end up with two blocks of 50 over and Twenty20 cricket and play 50 overs on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and Twenty20 on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.” Somebody really should be on hand with sticking plaster for his mouth on all public outings to avoid him harming the case for intelligent, considered reform of the game.
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Post by theleopard on Oct 22, 2015 9:19:03 GMT
Once players are established in the England side they play so little domestic cricket anyway. So I can't see how the 2017 and 2018 county fixtures will have any bearing on the outcome of the World Cup.
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Post by leedsgull on Oct 22, 2015 9:46:11 GMT
I said well before his election that Graves is a cretin. Nothing he has said since alters my opinion. He bled Yorkshire dry and up to winning the Championship in his final season they had been the most unsuccessful of all counties during his long tenure.
I have not read anyone criticising the domestic rugby system. The league is highly competitive and well supported. The reasons for England's failure lay in an unusually difficult group caused by a freak in the rankings, poor selection and a timid attitude. There is no parallel to be made.
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Post by windchime on Nov 6, 2015 17:20:11 GMT
I said well before his election that Graves is a cretin. Nothing he has said since alters my opinion. He bled Yorkshire dry and up to winning the Championship in his final season they had been the most unsuccessful of all counties during his long tenure. I have not read anyone criticising the domestic rugby system. The league is highly competitive and well supported. The reasons for England's failure lay in an unusually difficult group caused by a freak in the rankings, poor selection and a timid attitude. There is no parallel to be made. I wouldn't disagree about Mr Graves but as for domestic rugby (union) well it's difficult to find anyone who isn't criticising the Premiership where ignoring the salary cap and threatening to sue clubs who believe you should be punished is apparently the way to win titles. Shameful!
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Post by leedsgull on Nov 12, 2015 15:33:10 GMT
The "restructuring" of county cricket business seems to have gone very quiet. If there are to be changes in 2017 such as a 8 team division one as mooted then next season will be affected. Either only one team will be relegated or one promoted to achieve the desired 8 team league. Therefore it is only fair that counties no asap what they are planning for next season.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 12, 2015 15:47:20 GMT
The "restructuring" of county cricket business seems to have gone very quiet. If there are to be changes in 2017 such as a 8 team division one as mooted then next season will be affected. Either only one team will be relegated or one promoted to achieve the desired 8 team league. Therefore it is only fair that counties no asap what they are planning for next season. You're quite right, and the next battleground for this will be the announcement of next season's fixtures, which rumour has it will be on Thursday 26th November. There will be several teams in the First division who would want to avoid a final fixture away to Yorkshire. Sussex fell into the trap this year, of course, but they were one of two teams to be relegated. Next year I could imagine Hampshire, Somerset, possibly Lancashire again all nervously dancing on the edge of the abyss. Meanwhile we understood from Zak at the Members Forum last month that this future is being pieced together by a series of conference calls. Let us hope that none of the CEOs absent-mindedly nods off while waiting in their place in the queue to speak: their silence might be taken as assent to something preposterous.
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Post by leedsgull on Nov 12, 2015 15:56:54 GMT
Forgive me but why a series of conference calls? They are Chief Executives of cricket clubs whose sole responsibility is to look after the futures of their clubs. Surely they could all find the time in the depths of winter to thrash out this business in person somewhere. What else are they doing?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 20:06:10 GMT
Forgive me but why a series of conference calls? They are Chief Executives of cricket clubs whose sole responsibility is to look after the futures of their clubs. Surely they could all find the time in the depths of winter to thrash out this business in person somewhere. What else are they doing? If you spend half your time in Cyprus, skype is the only way to stay in touch with HQ!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 13:30:33 GMT
Dobell still banging the drum for English domestic w50 overs tournament to be played overseas in March: www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/940377.htmlInteresting comments from Strauss about the need to rest players by allowing them to miss tournaments, or even entire formats, and the value to England of encouraging top players to improve their white ball skills in the IPL. He seems to be admitting that KP was right all along - although I'm sure he would splutter with indignation if it was put to him like that!!!
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