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Post by coverpoint on Jul 19, 2014 14:49:02 GMT
If Tredwell has signed today he can surely play at Scarborough. I think Beer should be loaned to a second division club to play championship cricket if Robinson doesn't intend to play him.
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Post by jonboy on Jul 19, 2014 15:04:10 GMT
It's not as simple as that though BM. They also said at the moment pitches are prepared that are not conducive to spin, so where would he get regular 4 day cricket? There aren't many counties that would risk an inexperienced leggie as their primary spinning option. I hope a solution can be found whereupon Will can play more four day cricket, preferably for Sussex. Perhaps we could offer him up for loan to a second division county on a similar basis to the one we have with Kent for Tredwlell. Will could then continue as Sussex's one day spinner, whilst hopefully getting some championship experience elsewhere. Not sure how many takers there would be for him, but if nothing else it will give him a clearer idea of what may or may not be out there. The grass is not always greener elsewhere.
Meanwhile, if Sussex value Will, as I'm sure they do, we can work towards finding a place in our attack for an attacking leggie. One solution might be to operate a five man attack. This is something I've thought about for a while, but require a strong top order, with the wicketkeeper most likely having to bat at six. Prior is capable of doing this, and if Ben Brown could find a bit of consistency, he too could fill the void. In fact, if we can find another seam bowling all rounder, together with Will, who can definitely bat, plus Chris Jordan, we may not lose much in the batting department. Three bowling all rounders following a solid top six would allow us to play five bowlers, including our leggie.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 16:50:28 GMT
Tredwell was almost unplayable this afternoon and it was nice that there were so many Kent members on the ground to see him triumph, all saying they hadn't seen him bowl like that for Kent in several years. Ever since his Sussex debut at Arundel he has bowled better and better match by match and is now back to his finest. I've seen quite a lot of Adam Riley this year and he's learning fast and has taken a few wickets in Div Two. He may well be an England prospect circa 2016. But Tredwell is a class above and on present form is the best off-spinner in England by a mile with both red ball and white ball. He's batted superbly well for Sussex, too.
After messing about with Kerrigan again in desperation, I now expect England to call up an in-form Tredwell for the Old Trafford and Oval Test matches. He will then play all of England's extensive white ball programme over the winter and will be the specialist spinner selected for the Test series in the West Indies in April.
The question is by then will he still be a Kent player - or will he have made his move to Sussex permanent? Personally, If I were the Kent coach, I'd keep Tredwell and send Riley out on loan as part of the younger player's learning curve. But perhaps Tredwell is fed up with Div Two cricket and fanices testing himself again in Div One - his games for Sussex have been his first at the higher level since 2010.
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 24, 2014 19:44:31 GMT
Tredwell was almost unplayable this afternoon and it was nice that there were so many Kent members on the ground to see him triumph, all saying they hadn't seen him bowl like that for Kent in several years. Ever since his Sussex debut at Arundel he has bowled better and better match by match and is now back to his finest. I've seen quite a lot of Adam Riley this year and he's learning fast and has taken a few wickets in Div Two. He may well be an England prospect circa 2016. But Tredwell is a class above and on present form is the best off-spinner in England by a mile with both red ball and white ball. He's batted superbly well for Sussex, too. After messing about with Kerrigan again in desperation, I now expect England to call up an in-form Tredwell for the Old Trafford and Oval Test matches. He will then play all of England's extensive white ball programme over the winter and will be the specialist spinner selected for the Test series in the West Indies in April. The question is by then will he still be a Kent player - or will he have made his move to Sussex permanent? Personally, If I were the Kent coach, I'd keep Tredwell and send Riley out on loan as part of the younger player's learning curve. But perhaps Tredwell is fed up with Div Two cricket and fanices testing himself again in Div One - his games for Sussex have been his first at the higher level since 2010. And Div One cricket will bring him the selectorial attention, the media buzz, the prestige that is needed. That is the nature of the divide. |
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Post by jonboy on Jul 24, 2014 19:53:50 GMT
He's shown what he could bring to our squad and although it's vital that we try and bring down the age of our squad, I'd make an exception for him. More often or not, the front line spinner is one of your senior players. Currently we have too many senior players languishing in the seconds. Players like Zaidi and Liddle would benefit from loan spells to second division counties.
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 24, 2014 20:34:19 GMT
Players like Zaidi and Liddle would benefit from loan spells to second division counties. No second division county is going to sign a thirty something bowler who can't cut it at their existing county. More likely to loan Beer or Hobden. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 7:29:24 GMT
It was good to see the strong Kent contingent at Horsham yesterday taking such delight in Tredwell's success. Some of them are doubly pleased as they reckon we've bowled him back into prime form for them and he can now resume his place in the Kent side and bowl them to promotion in their remaining matches. Certainly there were contrasting fortunes for Riley and Tredwell this week. While Tredwell triumphed at Horsham, 20 miles up the road at Guildford, Riley, whose wicket-taking has deserted him over the last month, was only given 8 overs in the match and made a pair. It must have been a little galling for supporters to see the two best homegrown bowlers Kent has produced in the last ten years (Tredwell and Coles) both putting in match-winning performances for other counties this week. (Is there a lesson to be learnt there about Will Beer, I wonder?) Perhaps Kent will now refuse to extend Tredwell's loan and instead offer us Riley, in the hope that Robinson can work his magic a second time and help another struggling offie to rediscover his form?  (smiley thing necessary, because some of the Kent lurkers on this board seem to have had a humour by-pass!) |
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 25, 2014 10:27:52 GMT
Those contrasting fortunes are reflected in the latest consolidatiobn of spin bowlers' averages, complete up to and including yesterday. As can be seen, the Second Division still provide the majority of names, and the most successful ones, apart from Jeetan Patel, but Riley's star is sinking as Tredwell's rises. And the most bizarre name in these lists, aided perhaps a little by some short end-of-innings spells against Northants, is our very own Ashar Zaidi, Read em and weep for Titmus and Allen and Illingworth and Mortimore and Pocock and Wilson and a host of others. Attachments:2014 Spin Bowlers.xlsx (19.83 KB)
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Post by flashblade on Jul 25, 2014 10:38:43 GMT
Those contrasting fortunes are reflected in the latest consolidatiobn of spin bowlers' averages, complete up to and including yesterday. As can be seen, the Second Division still provide the majority of names, and the most successful ones, apart from Jeetan Patel, but Riley's star is sinking as Tredwell's rises. And the most bizarre name in these lists, aided perhaps a little by some short end-of-innings spells against Northants, is our very own Ashar Zaidi, Read em and weep for Titmus and Allen and Illingworth and Mortimore and Pocock and Wilson and a host of others. Weep also for uncovered wickets, HHS? |
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 25, 2014 11:14:43 GMT
Those contrasting fortunes are reflected in the latest consolidatiobn of spin bowlers' averages, complete up to and including yesterday. As can be seen, the Second Division still provide the majority of names, and the most successful ones, apart from Jeetan Patel, but Riley's star is sinking as Tredwell's rises. And the most bizarre name in these lists, aided perhaps a little by some short end-of-innings spells against Northants, is our very own Ashar Zaidi, Read em and weep for Titmus and Allen and Illingworth and Mortimore and Pocock and Wilson and a host of others. Weep also for uncovered wickets, HHS? Uncovered wickets, certainly, but any wickets not designed by and for Chief Executives and boys in suits, masquerading as "Executives" in hospitality boxes. Also shed your tears for the final extinction of school playing fields, other than for fee-paying schools; the dearth of coaches who understand cricket as a game of all-round and varied skills, rather than the deployment of right-arm fast bowlers, "tactically" interspersed with a left-armer from time to time; cricket reporting that stresses the variety and interest in every match rather than the pursuit of media-inspired stories that feed the frenzy of that unruly beast (compare the reportage of yesterday's thrilling finale with Wednesday's Trott-athon). Enough of this, let's dry our eyes and work out how to overcome these nonsenses. |
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(smiley thing necessary, because some of the Kent lurkers on this board seem to have had a humour by-pass!)