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Post by coverpoint on Dec 21, 2015 16:44:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 17:25:56 GMT
If we're lucky they will both play, given how easily Finn cleaned them up for single figures in the current match! Meanwhile, I'm sure fraudster and the cricinfo clown will have been rolling in the aisles today at a comic century from Ali 'comedian' Cook and a humorous hundred for Jokin' Joe Rooty-Tooty as England's team of ten jolly jesting Eric Morecombes played the joker to straight man Nick Compton's Ernie Wise.  Bring me sunshine. What do you think of it so far? Arsenal! You can't see the join.... Co-starring Charlotte Edwards as Angela Rippon!!! Worrra lorra laughs, as I am reliably told another staple of 1970s BBC Saturday night light entertainment used to say. |
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Post by flashblade on Dec 21, 2015 18:30:55 GMT
Crikey, BM, you're full of jolly japes today!
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 22, 2015 9:09:49 GMT
"Those guys" showed their best and worst in the second innings: a stand of 67 from 35-3 that started slowly, built in confidence and then went completely over the top as both of them fell within a couple of overs playing down the wrong line to Ali, thus precipitating a collapse that Finn exploited. Sorry to say it but figures don't necessarily show the true strength of some leagues, and the South African game is a bit like English county cricket in the 30s: a few very good players and teams, and lots of dross to provide cheap wickets and meaningless runs. |
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 22, 2015 9:57:16 GMT
5 wickets for Moeen Ali, and that is useful practice for England's sole spinner. Perhaps they can play a beer match for what is left of the day to give more practice to the rest of the squad, but it looks as if Hales has done enought to get a place in the first Test and everyone else in the running has had a useful workout in this game and in the former, so the selction will probably be:
Cook
Hales
Compton
Root
Taylor
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Broad
Finn
Anderson
There should be strength in batting there, though Hales will be certain to get a peppering, and there will probably be another concerted assault on Taylor to prevent him from settling into his play, nurdle, play, miss, play, good shot mode. If the first 5 get past 250 then the hitters could have licence to build a big score. The bowling looks to be coming into form at just the right time: more proof of the coaching and management of Bayliss/Farbrace. Jordan will probably play supersub 12th Man for the most part.
On edit: 6 for Moeen Ali!
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 22, 2015 9:59:37 GMT
I would rather have De Kock and Roussow than Bavuma and Vilas.
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Post by leedsmartlet on Dec 22, 2015 11:54:39 GMT
I would rather have De Kock and Roussow than Bavuma and Vilas. With Rabada unlikely to feature they need to fill the quotas.
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 22, 2015 14:36:20 GMT
I would rather have De Kock and Roussow than Bavuma and Vilas. With Rabada unlikely to feature they need to fill the quotas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:05:05 GMT
With Rabada unlikely to feature they need to fill the quotas.
South Africa won't win anything until they get rid of this ridiculous quota system. Utter tosh. 1) The South African national side does not even have a quota. The quota - which was only ever for ONE black player - was abolished eight or nine years ago. For example, on their recent tour of India, Zondo was in the squad as the reserve batsman. Yet when Duminy was injured, the white Dean Elgar was called up and played ahead of him. 2. As for not winning anything, South Africa are currently number one in the ICC Test rankings and have been for some time. Their record as 'chokers' in white ball internationals was earned by an almost entirely white Afrikaaners side and can in no way be blamed on the token non-white players such as Ntini, Prince or Philander. 3) A handful of Asian and mixed race cricketers have forced their way into the SA national set-up, including Amla and Imran Tahir in the current side. But black African cricketers remain a rarity: Bavuma, Leie and Rabada are the only recent examples I can recall. 4) I'd argue the complete opposite of what you suggest : at South Africa "won't win anything" until they stop relying on the 9 per cent of white Afrikaans in the so-called 'rainbow nation's' population to fill their international teams. 5) To that end, I'd replicate at international level the quota which requires six non-whites in domestic franchise cricket, including three black Africans, and seven in provincial cricket, including four black Africans. That might weaken the international team in the short term. But in the long-term it would strengthen South African cricket by forcing CSA to redirect its coaching and development resources into the townships rather than relying on the playing fields of a handful of elite and predominantly white, private schools. |
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Post by leedsmartlet on Dec 22, 2015 19:50:10 GMT
South Africa won't win anything until they get rid of this ridiculous quota system. Utter tosh. 1) The South African national side does not even have a quota. The quota - which was only ever for ONE black player - was abolished eight or nine years ago. For example, on their recent tour of India, Zondo was in the squad as the reserve batsman. Yet when Duminy was injured, the white Dean Elgar was called up and played ahead of him. 2. As for not winning anything, South Africa are currently number one in the ICC Test rankings and have been for some time. Their record as 'chokers' in white ball internationals was earned by an almost entirely white Afrikaaners side and can in no way be blamed on the token non-white players such as Ntini, Prince or Philander. 3) A handful of Asian and mixed race cricketers have forced their way into the SA national set-up, including Amla and Imran Tahir in the current side. But black African cricketers remain a rarity: Bavuma, Leie and Rabada are the only recent examples I can recall. 4) I'd argue the complete opposite of what you suggest : at South Africa "won't win anything" until they stop relying on the 9 per cent of white Afrikaans in the so-called 'rainbow nation's' population to fill their international teams. 5) To that end, I'd replicate at international level the quota which requires six non-whites in domestic franchise cricket, including three black Africans, and seven in provincial cricket, including four black Africans. That might weaken the international team in the short term. But in the long-term it would strengthen South African cricket by forcing CSA to redirect its coaching and development resources into the townships rather than relying on the playing fields of a handful of elite and predominantly white, private schools. They may not have an official quota but there is certainly pressure from above to "consider at least four players of colour." (which is a horrible phrase in itself)
I do tend to agree with you though. Despite the domestic level quota proving extremely unpopular i feel it's the right way to go to encourage more participation from all, i certainly enjoyed seeing some new faces in the Ram Slam this year. (even if the white guys do insist on speaking Afrikaans meaning the rest of the team cannot understand them!) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 21:54:04 GMT
They may not have an official quota but there is certainly pressure from above to "consider at least four players of colour." (which is a horrible phrase in itself)
I do tend to agree with you though. Despite the domestic level quota proving extremely unpopular i feel it's the right way to go to encourage more participation from all, i certainly enjoyed seeing some new faces in the Ram Slam this year. (even if the white guys do insist on speaking Afrikaans meaning the rest of the team cannot understand them!) Yes, the official policy is to seek "transformation" without specific quotas but I concede there is political pressure not to field an entirely white Afrikaans side - and quite right, too. The phrase "players of colour" is clumsy but has a specific historical context in South Africa quite different from how Europeans might regard the term. Non-whites were segregated under apartheid into three groups - black Africans, coloureds (i.e. mixed race) and Asians. "Players of colour" describes all three groups collectively and is more positive than defining them by what they are not and calling them "non-caucasians". |
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 23, 2015 8:00:17 GMT
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 23, 2015 8:54:38 GMT
South Africa won't win anything until they get rid of this ridiculous quota system. Utter tosh. 1) The South African national side does not even have a quota. The quota - which was only ever for ONE black player - was abolished eight or nine years ago. For example, on their recent tour of India, Zondo was in the squad as the reserve batsman. Yet when Duminy was injured, the white Dean Elgar was called up and played ahead of him. 2. As for not winning anything, South Africa are currently number one in the ICC Test rankings and have been for some time. Their record as 'chokers' in white ball internationals was earned by an almost entirely white Afrikaaners side and can in no way be blamed on the token non-white players such as Ntini, Prince or Philander. 3) A handful of Asian and mixed race cricketers have forced their way into the SA national set-up, including Amla and Imran Tahir in the current side. But black African cricketers remain a rarity: Bavuma, Leie and Rabada are the only recent examples I can recall. 4) I'd argue the complete opposite of what you suggest : at South Africa "won't win anything" until they stop relying on the 9 per cent of white Afrikaans in the so-called 'rainbow nation's' population to fill their international teams. 5) To that end, I'd replicate at international level the quota which requires six non-whites in domestic franchise cricket, including three black Africans, and seven in provincial cricket, including four black Africans. That might weaken the international team in the short term. But in the long-term it would strengthen South African cricket by forcing CSA to redirect its coaching and development resources into the townships rather than relying on the playing fields of a handful of elite and predominantly white, private schools. My message to their selectors is clear pick your best players irrespective of skin colour. |
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 23, 2015 9:04:14 GMT
Utter tosh. 1) The South African national side does not even have a quota. The quota - which was only ever for ONE black player - was abolished eight or nine years ago. For example, on their recent tour of India, Zondo was in the squad as the reserve batsman. Yet when Duminy was injured, the white Dean Elgar was called up and played ahead of him. 2. As for not winning anything, South Africa are currently number one in the ICC Test rankings and have been for some time. Their record as 'chokers' in white ball internationals was earned by an almost entirely white Afrikaaners side and can in no way be blamed on the token non-white players such as Ntini, Prince or Philander. 3) A handful of Asian and mixed race cricketers have forced their way into the SA national set-up, including Amla and Imran Tahir in the current side. But black African cricketers remain a rarity: Bavuma, Leie and Rabada are the only recent examples I can recall. 4) I'd argue the complete opposite of what you suggest : at South Africa "won't win anything" until they stop relying on the 9 per cent of white Afrikaans in the so-called 'rainbow nation's' population to fill their international teams. 5) To that end, I'd replicate at international level the quota which requires six non-whites in domestic franchise cricket, including three black Africans, and seven in provincial cricket, including four black Africans. That might weaken the international team in the short term. But in the long-term it would strengthen South African cricket by forcing CSA to redirect its coaching and development resources into the townships rather than relying on the playing fields of a handful of elite and predominantly white, private schools. My message to their selectors is clear pick your best players irrespective of skin colour. Quite a good and sensitive piece here ( www.alloutcricket.com/cricket/features/under-african-skies) from All Out Cricket about the tensions in South African cricket - and indeed in South African society - and why they have to be resolved and not disregarded completely. |
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 24, 2015 8:08:12 GMT
With Anderson definitely unfit to play in the first Test should we
a) Give Finn the new ball with Broad and pick Woakes as first change for his control?
b) Go for 1st pace, 2nd pace and 3rd pace and pick Foottitt?
I can't think of circumstances at present where I'd pick Jordan over the others, good player though he is.
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