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Post by hhsussex on Jan 17, 2016 7:46:30 GMT
Yes clearly an excellent day yet questions remain about Hales, Compton & Taylor. I doubt if any will feature in the first test v Sri Lanka. Early season form may well give opportunities to the Yorkshire trio of Lyth, Lees and Balance to replace them. I would bat Bairstow at 5, restore Balance to 3 (he is the quickest player to 1,000 test runs for England) and have a lees/lyth shoot out to open. The future looks bright for England but paradoxically bleak for Yorkshire. Surprisingly short memory leedsgull to forget that the First Test victory owed much to the platform laid down by Compton and Taylor. I cannot see a reason why either of them should be jettisoned so quickly, and certainly not to re-admit Ballance at 3. Surely even his defenders argue that his greatest value to Yorkshire is batting at 5? As for Lyth, he had a very thorough run in the side last summer and apart from one innings the result was the same: got in, played a few good-looking shots, wasn't equal to cope with the ball that left him. But cheer up, the future is brighter for Yorkshire representation at least: Bairstow seems finally to have made the most of his chances to establish himself as a batsman in this series, and in this match did everything expected of him on this pitch as a keeper. Whether his true position ought to be 5 or 6 he will probably continue to bat at 7 for England until another real keeper comes along, and whilst Stokes shows that he can sprinkle on the oofle dust once in a while. As for Root he is very clearly in the great tradition of Yorkshire and England batsmen and when his time comes let's hope that his captaincy falls within the Hutton mode rather than that of Boycott. Lees didn't look to be in form when Yorkshire came to Hove last year and his figures for the season weren't outstanding - 866 @33.30 - so perhaps he needs to rebuild his case next season. And you should have a full house of excellent county standard bowlers next season as it looks as if Plunkett's comeback to Tests is over and Rashid will only be called on for one-day matches at best.
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 17, 2016 7:48:10 GMT
Still don't think Broad can bowl a hoop down a hill! ..... But he can sure make a cricket ball talk at times! It is amazing how often he turns on these purple patches and how vivid they are when so much of his time seems to be spent bowling short in vain and staring petulantly at the batsman who has the temerity to hook or pull his long-hops!
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Post by leedsgull on Jan 17, 2016 8:57:40 GMT
It is the manner of Compton's dismissal in this match which concerns me. He seems to be concerned about criticism of him batting too slowly where that is precisely the role he was picked for. He is supposed to be the new Trott not another dasher. Bayliss's comments have not helped either when he has suggested that England require a positive number three. On commentary Agnew joked that Denis Compton would have ended the match with a six but no one expected his grandson to try and do so. Compton played an unnatural shot for him and perished. I think he wants to succeed too much. It was suggested he was too intense last time he was an England player. I fear he is succumbing to his own demons again.
As for Hales he has never suggested he is likely to play a long innings at Test level so far. Lees was out of sorts last season but if he starts well then I think he is likely to be the next one tried out. Lyth and Robson may well get another chance until someone claims the openers spot. It may be that if Cook does not have a good summer we are seeking two openers.
I really hope that Taylor makes a success of test cricket as I have previously stated I would much prefer him to succeed Cook than Root. Of the three I would give Taylor an extended run to include this summer. Sri Lanka are in disarray so it should not be too taxing and no one can predict how Pakistan will play.
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 17, 2016 9:22:32 GMT
It is the manner of Compton's dismissal in this match which concerns me. He seems to be concerned about criticism of him batting too slowly where that is precisely the role he was picked for. He is supposed to be the new Trott not another dasher. Bayliss's comments have not helped either when he has suggested that England require a positive number three. On commentary Agnew joked that Denis Compton would have ended the match with a six but no one expected his grandson to try and do so. Compton played an unnatural shot for him and perished. I think he wants to succeed too much. It was suggested he was too intense last time he was an England player. I fear he is succumbing to his own demons again. As for Hales he has never suggested he is likely to play a long innings at Test level so far. Lees was out of sorts last season but if he starts well then I think he is likely to be the next one tried out. Lyth and Robson may well get another chance until someone claims the openers spot. It may be that if Cook does not have a good summer we are seeking two openers. I really hope that Taylor makes a success of test cricket as I have previously stated I would much prefer him to succeed Cook than Root. Of the three I would give Taylor an extended run to include this summer. Sri Lanka are in disarray so it should not be too taxing and no one can predict how Pakistan will play. Yes, I can see your point. I think, and hope, that Bayliss will reflect on his earlier remarks and rephrase him. A positive attitude is certainly needed from the top three in the order, but that positivity can be applied to defensive skills as much as in attacking. It isn't always a question of going for shot, shot, shot; sometimes it can be expressed as finding the opportunity to steal a quick single even from a defensive stroke so as to keep the field constantly unsettled, the bowler thwarted from finding a rhythm. In this match I think Compton tried hard to take the game to the opposition, and in so doing cleared the way for Root and Stokes to do so much better. On that sporting wicket it was unlikely that he could have batted purely defensively for so long without allowing the South African bowlers to dominate over him and his partners. In the second innings I don't think it really mattered: he was probably having a bet with someone that he could finish the match and it didn't make any difference to the result. I don't think he is ever likely to do that again in a serious context. We'll just have to wait and see who is next for the revolving door as Cook's partner, but I don't think Cook will stay out of form for long, and he looked in pretty good nick in that short second innings, composed and confident.
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 17, 2016 12:27:25 GMT
It looks as if Finn will be unfit for the Fourth Test www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/17/steven-finn-england-south-africa-injury?CMP=share_btn_twThat's a pity, because one of the most encouraging things from this very upbeat series has been the return of Finn to the confidence of his coach and selectors, and he has returned that very well. In the first innings at Johannesburg he looked good enough for a five-for and I think that next summer will see him rise up to partner Broad with the new ball as Anderson will need to be nursed more and more. In fact, unless the English spring has marvellous restorative powers for him it might be best if Anderson anticipated the loss of his powers and retired from selection. I don't think it is likely to happen ,and of course I will have egg on my face if he takes 7-50 in the final test in South Africa, but it would be better for him to depart of his own volition rather than be sacked a la Hoggard or enter a prolonged and pointless coda to his career as,say, Willis did from 82 to 84. In the meantime that leaves one place and one last chance for someone to force their way in. SA have an incredible record at Centurion: in 20 matches they have only lost twice, and drawn three times. Two years ago Mitchell Johnson took 12 wickets in the match and hundreds from Smith, S Marsh and Warner did the rest. England are the only other side to have won there, and in the very questionable circumstances of Hanse Cronje's famous leather coat inducement for a result. Morkel has taken 23 economical wickets there, and Steyn 48. Spinners have done well from time to time: Swann took 5 on the last tour, Adams and Harris have also prospered. Woakes did nothing in the First Test to suggest that he could be decisive in South African conditions, nor that he would let the side down very much. If the ambition is to play safe and rely on Broad and one final effort from Anderson then he would probably come in to keep one end open and contribute useful runs. Foottitt seems to have faded away completely from the assertions of some pundits at the start of the series that he was a certainty for selection but he could still be a wild card if we went all out to blow away what now looks like a fragile batting order.
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Post by coverpoint on Jan 17, 2016 13:49:59 GMT
South Africa need to make five changes. My XI would be Elgar - Cook - Amla - AB - Rossouw - Bavuma - QDK - Abbott - Rabada - Piedt - Morkel.
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Post by leedsgull on Jan 17, 2016 14:46:11 GMT
It seems odd that there was no fixture between the 2nd and third tests when the likes of Footitt could have had a match. It would seem unlikely that he would play now so I expect Woakes will play but if Footitt is ever to play then this might be the best time. If he fails no real damage but if he does well then another player to call on in the future.
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Post by fraudster on Jan 17, 2016 15:22:56 GMT
It is the manner of Compton's dismissal in this match which concerns me. He seems to be concerned about criticism of him batting too slowly where that is precisely the role he was picked for. He is supposed to be the new Trott not another dasher. Bayliss's comments have not helped either when he has suggested that England require a positive number three. On commentary Agnew joked that Denis Compton would have ended the match with a six but no one expected his grandson to try and do so. Compton played an unnatural shot for him and perished. I think he wants to succeed too much. It was suggested he was too intense last time he was an England player. I fear he is succumbing to his own demons again. As for Hales he has never suggested he is likely to play a long innings at Test level so far. Lees was out of sorts last season but if he starts well then I think he is likely to be the next one tried out. Lyth and Robson may well get another chance until someone claims the openers spot. It may be that if Cook does not have a good summer we are seeking two openers. I really hope that Taylor makes a success of test cricket as I have previously stated I would much prefer him to succeed Cook than Root. Of the three I would give Taylor an extended run to include this summer. Sri Lanka are in disarray so it should not be too taxing and no one can predict how Pakistan will play. A bookie or two probably can - hiyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! I've been Fraudster and you've been fantastic. We've tried decimating Yorkshire's batting line-up but it was only temporary. We'll keep the two best ones but they can restore the rest to their line-up - which will please their div one rivals. We should take one more though actually, Rashid. From what I've seen of him in the Big Snatch, or whatever it's called, he's gotta come in for Ali. He's turning it big both ways and some of the best one-day wafters out there have no idea what he's gonna do. He's a must. Taylor and Compton to be persisted with. Hales, I don't think so. Compton back to open maybe and the number three spot up for grabs. As good as Bairstow is, there came a time where he needed to be more Buttler than Bairstow yesterday. Bairstow is great at getting to the Buttler stage and Buttler is great there but can't get to it. We need a Bairler or a Buttstow. I'd bring Buttler back and play him as a batter at seven, with absolute freedom. Two and three are problem spots with no obvious answers. Bairstow is easily good enough for five from what I've seen. Great series.
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 20, 2016 10:04:39 GMT
The wicket at Centurion, from a Nick Hoult Twitter post. Looks like all the bowlers should enjoy themselves as those cracks open up.
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 22, 2016 8:21:56 GMT
Cook, Duminy, De Kock, Abbott and Piedt in; van Zyl, du Plessis, Vilas, Viljoen and Morris out. Batting should be stronger at the top and at 7 if De Kock hits his stride, weaker in the tail, and bowling a little more balanced. I presume the thought of the cracks opening up has persuaded the SA selectors that Duminy's off-breaks could complement Piedt's as they win the toss and bat first. England playing a consistent hand, Woakes for Finn. I foresee a lot of striving bowling ahead for England unless there is early swing.
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Post by leedsgull on Jan 23, 2016 10:08:38 GMT
I find it amazing that Stuart Broad has been called into the one day squad. Surely someone from the Lions squad would be more appropriate. It almost looks like they are trying to save an airfare! With Anderson seemingly coming to the end of his effectiveness Broad should be wrapped in cotton wool and play Tests only. It is not as if he has an impeccable fitness record lately. There are always niggles and strains so he could have been rested for a couple of months. In time to come the only thing remembered about the one day series v SA would be if Broad picked up a serious injury.
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 23, 2016 16:28:50 GMT
Yesterday and today full of reminders that for all the 2-0 lead against the former No1 Test side this England team remains very much a work in progress with sonme players at the peak of their careers, some on the ascent, and possibly one in decline, while there are still a couple of places awaiting the right person to fit into them. In the absence of Finn, and with Anderson looking more and more creaky, as well as grumpy, we simply didn't have a bowling attack capable of forcing through an advantage and were vulnerable to a brilliant counter-attack by De Kock. That innings was the more infuriating because of the implicit reminder that South Africa have found the real deal, a confident, technically well-equipped risk-taking batsman who is also a more than competent wicket-keeper. We have Bairstow, who has grown as a batsman on this trip but has been a liability behind the stumps. In the Third Test he was helped by the bounciness of the wicket and was able to take his catches fairly cleanly. In this match his drops have been costly and his lack of technique has been shown up.
Tomorrow's morning session will probably decide whether England stay inn the game at all. Root and Cook played beautifully on a wicket that, if it was on an English county ground, would probably have the ECB sparing Cook's misery and awarding him the toss as visitor. If they can remain till lunch and score at their current rate England will have a chance of batting through the day and coming within shouting distance of the South African score. If they fall, and unless Stokes and Bairstow pull off another coup de main - unlikely with the ball often staying low and shooting along at ankle height - we will probably be batting again before the close.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 18:08:24 GMT
Great series and England have played some splendid cricket. But as you say, still very much a work in progress.
Stokes is going to be better all-rounder than Flintoff (maybe he is already). Finn and Broad have been superb. Root and Cook are clearly undroppable among the batsmen. Bairstow will be fine; we are never again going to pick a specialist keeper, so weneed to get used to it. He's better than both Buttler and Billings with the gloves and far superior to both of them as a batsman in terms of constructing and building an innings as opposed to biffing it out of the park. So he's here for the medium-term at least in the Test side.
But lots of places up for grabs.
Hales isn't good enough and, as was suggested before this series started, is less well equipped for Test cricket than either Lyth or Robson (both of whom proved to be flawed, but on at least one occasion apiece showed they could bat all day at Test level which Hales cannot).
Compton apparently has proved again on his second time around that he's simply one of those non-collegiate, Ed Smith figures who doesn't fit and - perhaps through no fault of his own - just makes the dressing room feel a more awkward place than it should be. So he will be gone by this summer.
Moeen Ali is way short of Test match quality. He came in as a batsman who could bowl a bit of off-spin. He's now someone who can bowl a bit of off-spin but gets fewer runs than Swann. Despite England's dislike of leg-spinners, Adil Rashid, man of the tournament in the Big Bash, should now be given a run in Test cricket. He will also score more runs than Moeen.
Anderson has perhaps one more summer left in him.
Taylor I guess the jury is still out.
In other words, half of a good team but may be question marks over five places this summer.
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Post by leedsgull on Jan 23, 2016 18:09:05 GMT
I think the Hales experiment has failed and he should concentrate on one day international cricket. Who ever scores heavily in the early county matches should take the job but as the first Test is at Headingley in mid-may you can expect another failure. I agree about Rashid. It is time to give him a go this summer.
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 23, 2016 20:40:52 GMT
Great series and England have played some splendid cricket. But as you say, still very much a work in progress. Stokes is going to be better all-rounder than Flintoff (maybe he is already). Finn and Broad have been superb. Root and Cook are clearly undroppable among the batsmen. Bairstow will be fine; we are never again going to pick a specialist keeper, so weneed to get used to it. He's better than both Buttler and Billings with the gloves and far superior to both of them as a batsman in terms of constructing and building an innings as opposed to biffing it out of the park. So he's here for the medium-term at least in the Test side. But lots of places up for grabs. Hales isn't good enough and, as was suggested before this series started, is less well equipped for Test cricket than either Lyth or Robson (both of whom proved to be flawed, but on at least one occasion apiece showed they could bat all day at Test level which Hales cannot). Compton apparently has proved again on his second time around that he's simply one of those non-collegiate, Ed Smith figures who doesn't fit and - perhaps through no fault of his own - just makes the dressing room feel a more awkward place than it should be. So he will be gone by this summer. Moeen Ali is way short of Test match quality. He came in as a batsman who could bowl a bit of off-spin. He's now someone who can bowl a bit of off-spin but gets fewer runs than Swann. Despite England's dislike of leg-spinners, Adil Rashid, man of the tournament in the Big Bash, should now be given a run in Test cricket. He will also score more runs than Moeen. Anderson has perhaps one more summer left in him. Taylor I guess the jury is still out. In other words, half of a good team but may be question marks over five places this summer. Whether or not we (England?) ever pick a specialist keeper again, I'm not sure that I agree that "Bairstow will be fine". He doesn't have a natural sense of balance as a keeper, fails to anticipate the direction of the ball and looks as if he creaks when he has to simultaneously bend and dive , because of his bad pre-positioning, to follow the ball from his height. How is he going to resolve these problems? Should we get used to having a sort of medium longstop who follows the Ancient Mariner in that he stoppeth one in three? How is that good for Test cricket? Probably you're right in that Billings is no better, and Buttler is laughable, but that should not stop us from trying to find and encourage any one with the natural talent to become a decent keeper. Plenty of modern players - including De Kock today - have shown that it is possible to hold down a place as an attacking batsman and still be capable of making a strong contribution as a wicket-keeper. Bairstow has come of age as a batsman in this series but he has really shown how much of a liability an incompetent keeper can be. Amongst the changes that we both agree need to be made to make this team worthy of the stand out players - Cook, Root, Broad, Stokes - we have to look for a decent keeper and give Bairstow his chance to prove himself as a batsman and close fielder.
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