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Post by hhsussex on Mar 16, 2016 9:04:53 GMT
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Post by jonboy on Mar 16, 2016 9:29:50 GMT
If, and it's a big if, given the lack of depth in the seam bowling department, we can manage his workload, he can still be a potent weapon for us, even at the age of 38. In all honesty, we have flogged the guy to death, over bowling him in each of the last two seasons. We cannot keep doing that, and expect him to keep producing the goods |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 16, 2016 10:22:17 GMT
Mags is one of those lucky seamers who has the perfect build to go on until 38. For the stattos who are and been the oldest seamers in world cricket? There can't be many who've still been bowling fast at 38 years-old.
It is claimed Darren Gough bowled a consistent 90mph ball during 2008 when 38 and playing for Yorkshire. He retired at the end of that season. Aussie Justin Langer was his final first-class wicket.
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Post by hhsussex on Mar 16, 2016 12:06:07 GMT
Mags is one of those lucky seamers who has the perfect build to go on until 38. For the stattos who are and been the oldest seamers in world cricket? There can't be many who've still been bowling fast at 38 years-old.
It is claimed Darren Gough bowled a consistent 90mph ball during 2008 when 38 and playing for Yorkshire. He retired at the end of that season. Aussie Justin Langer was his final first-class wicket. It depends on what you mean by fast. Forget the Darren Gough nonsense, his consistent pace at his peak was late 80s with the occasional ball a little faster so by the end of his career those occasions were very few and far between. There is also the problem of how you measure speed; most speed gun timings in international cricket are a more than a little suspect, with all sorts of issues about whether the pace is measured by intervals between final release and either on bounce or on arrival at the crease, and if so, where on the crease to be evaluated. Really good seamers can, and have in the past, gone on well into their 40s - Shackleton for instance - and an important part of their ability to perform at the top level, as well as physical fitness, has been the ability to vary the pace of deliveries constantly, so that the batsman cannot say to himself that so-and-so is a 75mph medium pacer and play accordingly. Magoffin currently has that ability to bowl at, most probably, low 80s with an occasional ball that bounces sharper and faster, and his height has much to do with this, as well as a very good action. His biggest challenge as he ages will be his knees, already suspect, and the time it will take to recover from any injury. |
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Post by joe on Sept 29, 2017 16:10:22 GMT
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Post by pudos on Sept 29, 2017 16:40:10 GMT
Shame, but good luck to him
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Post by jonboy on Sept 29, 2017 17:51:22 GMT
Very disappointing news to come home to A great signing for Worcs, and he can do for them, what I hoped he'd do for us, help bring the youngsters through Has been great for Sussex, and I join others in wishing him well
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Post by tatesgate on Sept 29, 2017 19:54:17 GMT
Think it's a good move for all parties. SM is getting on, his injury record is catching up on him, we have a vast array of young bowlers who will have more chance of playing & will release some much needed £ to sign an OS batsman. Wish him well though, been fantastic for us. My sons 1st game was his 8-20 against Somerset at Horsham so will always have a soft spot for him.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 29, 2017 20:17:48 GMT
Think it's a good move for all parties. SM is getting on, his injury record is catching up on him, we have a vast array of young bowlers who will have more chance of playing & will release some much needed £ to sign an OS batsman. Wish him well though, been fantastic for us. My sons 1st game was his 8-20 against Somerset at Horsham so will always have a soft spot for him. While I can see some logic in what you are saying, Worcestershire, who have better bowling options than us, believe that he can do a job We do indeed have a fine battery of young quicks, but following the loss of Philander, Shahzad, and now Magoffin, we do lack a bit of know how Not sure about much needed £, we should have plenty of cash swilling around following the recent release of so many senior players |
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Post by flashblade on Sept 29, 2017 20:49:09 GMT
Think it's a good move for all parties. SM is getting on, his injury record is catching up on him, we have a vast array of young bowlers who will have more chance of playing & will release some much needed £ to sign an OS batsman. Wish him well though, been fantastic for us. My sons 1st game was his 8-20 against Somerset at Horsham so will always have a soft spot for him. Spot on, tatesgate. I think SM has done a great job for Sussex, but the timing of his release feels right. I wonder how many matches Worcester will get out of him. He's become very injury prone. |
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Post by hhsussex on Sept 29, 2017 21:05:40 GMT
From the Worcestershire Press Release:
Director Of Cricket Steve Rhodes fended off interest from several other counties for Magoffin's signature including another Division One outfit who also offered him a contract.
And from their forum:
I think many of us have missed a key point here: with a UK passport, Magoffin will be a Home player this time and no longer 'the Overseas Player'. We have a precedent- remember Hicky was the Overseas lad under the beginning of the Botham/Dilley years, only becoming a Home Player when he picked up his UK passport. A fine precedent indeed!
It does mean that Hastings can continue as the Overseas Player, with Satnav or Ravi as the second pick for T20 sides.
Perfect!
Magoffin has been a superb player for Sussex, along with Joyce he has been the outstanding player since Mushtaq. I think the interesting thing is that many of us her have assumed that a) his delayed recovery from injury this year suggested that his time as an active player was short, and b) that he would almost certainly join the club of old boys in coaching. Now both of those assumptions have been derailed. Why?
Could it be that Worcestershire have offered him a player/coaching position that Sussex weren't prepared to do? It would be a very big gamble to rely on him as the mainstay of their bowling attack in the First Divison with his 38 year old legs. When he does play we know he will be excellent, but how often will that be?
Good luck to him and thanks for keeping the faith in intelligent, economical pace bowling.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 29, 2017 22:11:26 GMT
Maybe he has ambitions to play in the top flight again, and didn't see those same ambitions mirrored by Sussex
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 29, 2017 23:08:07 GMT
A massive gamble from Worcestershire but good luck to him. Question: Who will become the Sussex seam bowling coach if Jon Lewis
leaves for the England squad?
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Post by flashblade on Sept 30, 2017 6:54:13 GMT
A massive gamble from Worcestershire but good luck to him. Question: Who will become the Sussex seam bowling coach if Jon Lewis
leaves for the England squad?Is the club allowed to advertise such a vacancy, and contemplate the recruitment of a coach from outside the county? |
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Post by philh on Sept 30, 2017 18:52:44 GMT
We have missed Magoffin badly this season. His absence has meant that we have lacked control at times. Archer has stepped in admirably to take wickets consistently but a fit Magoffin may have the difference this season and got us promoted. We'll never know, of course. As to whether he is fit enough for another season, I cannot judge. I suspect he will win Worcestershire some games next year. If his departure leads to an improved, more balanced team or he proves not to be fit enough, it will have been a good decision. Whatever, I wish him well I've enjoyed his time with Sussex.
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