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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 1, 2016 21:49:33 GMT
Everything about Sussex today was wretched. Anyone who wants to know what is wrong, read what Chris Adams had to say in the Argus two days ago. Promotion favourites? You're having a laugh. Sussex were a rabble today. No self-belief whatsoever - which is no surprise given this team has recorded just one CC win in 14 games, going back to May last year. Abject and brainless batting (Murray Goodwin what are you doing?) and a criminal lack of discipline in the bowling (15 runs gifted in no-balls already in 38 overs? Yes, it's not easy to keep your foot behind the line running down the slope from the Cromwell Rd . But it's supposed to be harder for the away team who aren't accustomed to it! How come Leics bowled zero no-balls in 58 overs? ) The malaise at the heart of the club which was evident last season has not gone away and even the return of Luke Wright - whenever that might happen - isn't going to be enough to fix it. Poor Ben Brown should be relieved of the duty of skippering the side and Nash installed as a stop-gap until Wright returns. Brown didn't expect such onerous responsibility, he's desperately struggling to cope and its tragic to behold. He's barely scored a run, the mix-up in Shahazad's run out was keystone cops, he dropped a regulation chance off Shahzad and his keeping was shoddy all round after tea. As for his judgement as a captain, he inserted Northants and watched them score 481-7 and he won the toss and batted today and Sussex were bowled out for 163. (Not that there was anything wrong with the pitch, but it's all adding to the pressure on the poor guy and the stress is ruining both his batting and his keeping.) The first thing Sussex needs to do is forget all the 'family club/jobs for the old boys' bull and put a gobstopper in all the 'Robbo's rich legacy' malarkey, which is counter-productive and backwards-looking and only drags the club further downwards instead of looking to the future (and risks turning Davis into Sussex's equivalent of David Moyes at Man Utd). Robinson left an absolute train-wreck and a new chapter is needed. Leics were dynamic today and Sussex were the exact opposite.There have to be lessons for Sussex to learn in how chairman Paul Heywood, CEO Wasim Khan and head coach Andrew MacDonald have come in and so dramamtically transformed Leics from the biggest losers in cricket into a vibrant, confident unit brimming with self-belief. Leics already deserve to win this match. And if Sussex can learn some lessons from observing how Leics have been transformed from hopeless losers to confident victors, then perhaps something can be salvaged from a day that was as bad as anything we saw during last season's horrific implosion. Deary me, there really is some bile on this forum... |
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Post by joe on May 1, 2016 22:04:07 GMT
Sorry if it was reported on here earlier in the thread that Farby was present today. I didn't see it as I only logged on when I got home and didn't read back across all of the day's earlier comments. I've known Farby for a dozen years as a kind and generous man who on numerous ocassions has left comp tkts on the gate for me, without me ever asking him to do so. But I hadn't met Ollie's mum Sandra before, although I knew all about her (it was quite the prurient gossip at Kent circa 2010 that the head coach was in a relationship with the mother of one of the academy boys). She seemed very nice and I was also impressed that although there was nobody among the 22 players on display today anywhere near the England radar, Farby came to Hove on a family day out - and for the third time this season - simply to show solidarity with his stepson. Apologies. I'll keep my thoughts and observartions to myself in future. BM, from a neutral standpoint, I think you misunderstood joe's reference to 'old news'. I took it to refer to the fact that Farbrace is Ollie's step father, not the fact that he was at Hove today! So, thankfully, you can continue to give us your 'thoughts and observations'  Spot on fb, sorry if I offended bm. |
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Post by coverpoint on May 1, 2016 22:19:59 GMT
I do understand your point but it doesn't make a bit of difference if they bat as rubbish as this. The players have let themselves down, the club down and the supporters down. As for the fifteen no balls if there are runs scored off that ball which are not off the bat they count as no balls. What the Sussex players need tonight. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXEBMgeenmUFor those who can't work it out, it's a rocket up their arse! This video falls into the category of don't try this at home. How to motivate the players to perform? How about paying them only the living wage unless they perform? The players should be on a low basic salary with performance incentive built into the contract. I don't believe simply moving the coaching staff round the answer. New blood from outside with no connections to the county and move away from "the family" was needed. Successful teams are not dependent on being friends with one another and are more interested in simply winning games of cricket. Sussex cricket needs to be shaken up from top to bottom with a brand New Committee, coaching staff and new players brought in. To Wright and Jordan I would ask where your loyalties lie? Wright is injured!! How did he get injured? Playing in the Pakistan Premier League. We need our captain and our opening bowler playing for Sussex not playing overseas T20 tournaments. Overseas tournaments (including Ireland and Scotland) during the county season should be banned. |
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Post by hhsussex on May 2, 2016 7:49:41 GMT
A swift and effective response by the coaching team: Sussex CCC @sussexccc 1m1 minute ago Morning from Hove. I'm afraid to say it's raining here this morning, the covers are on. We'll keep you posted on potential start times |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 8:02:54 GMT
A swift and effective response by the coaching team: Sussex CCC @sussexccc 1m1 minute ago Morning from Hove. I'm afraid to say it's raining here this morning, the covers are on. We'll keep you posted on potential start times What a load of drizzle. |
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Post by fraudster on May 2, 2016 8:25:16 GMT
Don't listen to that nasty IC person HH, I think yours was a lovely story, a dazzling display of rhetoric.
Nasty looking cricket brings nasty sounding comments on here, and long may it continue. Obviously everyone would rather be saying nice things like' Mags strikes' or 'ton for Brown' but the players have to play their part.
If we looked beaten and down on the first day then it's worse than I thought. There is no excuse for experienced Div One and international players to be so negative when up against Leics. Players like Joyce, Nash, Taylor, Wells, Brown, Shahzad and Magoffin should be very confident, even arrogant about coming up against the likes of Leics.
It's an alarming state of affairs.
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Post by joe on May 2, 2016 8:37:54 GMT
What to do?
What we can't do is abandon them in their hour of need. How much worse for the team if they come out onto the pitch and there's no one there to support them?
We're going through a rough time at Hove which no one want to see but I can't believe that there are any Sussex players who are deliberately not putting 100% effort in. Sometimes it's just not your day, sh** happens.
I'm a Sussex supporter and that's exactly what I'll remain. Of course I'm dissapointed but the highs are best enjoyed after the lows.
GOSBTS!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 9:06:01 GMT
What to do? What we can't do is abandon them in their hour of need. How much worse for the team if they come out onto the pitch and there's no one there to support them? We're going through a rough time at Hove which no one want to see but I can't believe that there are any Sussex players who are deliberately not putting 100% effort in. Sometimes it's just not your day, sh** happens. I'm a Sussex supporter and that's exactly what I'll remain. Of course I'm dissapointed but the highs are best enjoyed after the lows. GOSBTS! It's beginning to feel like it's not our decade. If we get much lower, even the limbo dancers will pack up. |
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Post by flashblade on May 2, 2016 9:53:17 GMT
Everything about Sussex today was wretched. Anyone who wants to know what is wrong, read what Chris Adams had to say in the Argus two days ago. Promotion favourites? You're having a laugh. Sussex were a rabble today. No self-belief whatsoever - which is no surprise given this team has recorded just one CC win in 14 games, going back to May last year. Abject and brainless batting (Murray Goodwin what are you doing?) and a criminal lack of discipline in the bowling (15 runs gifted in no-balls already in 38 overs? Yes, it's not easy to keep your foot behind the line running down the slope from the Cromwell Rd . But it's supposed to be harder for the away team who aren't accustomed to it! How come Leics bowled zero no-balls in 58 overs? ) The malaise at the heart of the club which was evident last season has not gone away and even the return of Luke Wright - whenever that might happen - isn't going to be enough to fix it. Poor Ben Brown should be relieved of the duty of skippering the side and Nash installed as a stop-gap until Wright returns. Brown didn't expect such onerous responsibility, he's desperately struggling to cope and its tragic to behold. He's barely scored a run, the mix-up in Shahazad's run out was keystone cops, he dropped a regulation chance off Shahzad and his keeping was shoddy all round after tea. As for his judgement as a captain, he inserted Northants and watched them score 481-7 and he won the toss and batted today and Sussex were bowled out for 163. (Not that there was anything wrong with the pitch, but it's all adding to the pressure on the poor guy and the stress is ruining both his batting and his keeping.) The first thing Sussex needs to do is forget all the 'family club/jobs for the old boys' bull and put a gobstopper in all the 'Robbo's rich legacy' malarkey, which is counter-productive and backwards-looking and only drags the club further downwards instead of looking to the future (and risks turning Davis into Sussex's equivalent of David Moyes at Man Utd). Robinson left an absolute train-wreck and a new chapter is needed. Leics were dynamic today and Sussex were the exact opposite.There have to be lessons for Sussex to learn in how chairman Paul Heywood, CEO Wasim Khan and head coach Andrew MacDonald have come in and so dramamtically transformed Leics from the biggest losers in cricket into a vibrant, confident unit brimming with self-belief. Leics already deserve to win this match. And if Sussex can learn some lessons from observing how Leics have been transformed from hopeless losers to confident victors, then perhaps something can be salvaged from a day that was as bad as anything we saw during last season's horrific implosion. Deary me, there really is some bile on this forum... This forum allows free speech, free access for guests, and a welcome to anyone who wants to be a member. This open, democratic approach contrasts with a certain North Korea type forum associated with SCCC. |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 2, 2016 9:54:43 GMT
What to do? What we can't do is abandon them in their hour of need. How much worse for the team if they come out onto the pitch and there's no one there to support them? We're going through a rough time at Hove which no one want to see but I can't believe that there are any Sussex players who are deliberately not putting 100% effort in. Sometimes it's just not your day, sh** happens. I'm a Sussex supporter and that's exactly what I'll remain. Of course I'm dissapointed but the highs are best enjoyed after the lows. GOSBTS! Well said Joe, at last some realism. Reading this board, you'd forget we haven't actually lost a match this season and have just had a bad day at the office. It's as if some are taking great delight in our struggles last season and in this match. |
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Post by flashblade on May 2, 2016 10:00:58 GMT
What to do? What we can't do is abandon them in their hour of need. How much worse for the team if they come out onto the pitch and there's no one there to support them? We're going through a rough time at Hove which no one want to see but I can't believe that there are any Sussex players who are deliberately not putting 100% effort in. Sometimes it's just not your day, sh** happens. I'm a Sussex supporter and that's exactly what I'll remain. Of course I'm dissapointed but the highs are best enjoyed after the lows. GOSBTS! Well said Joe, at last some realism. Reading this board, you'd forget we haven't actually lost a match this season and have just had a bad day at the office. It's as if some are taking great delight in our struggles last season and in this match.That's a strange interpretation. I haven't seen any expressions of delight about the club's recent performances on this board. Most opinions seem to reflect the frustration and dismay at the damage that's been done to the team over the past couple of years. I'm beginning to wonder if you're wearing the IC regulation rose coloured specs! |
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Post by coverpoint on May 2, 2016 10:01:25 GMT
Hallelujah it's raining. It can rain for the next two days as far as I am concerned as we are coming third in a two horse race.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 10:50:30 GMT
To pick a single issue, our current batting line-up is extremely high risk. If we play five batsmen and the out-of form Brown, we are in dire trouble if we lose a couple of early wickets, as we did yesterday. From 23-2, we needed about 200 from Joyce, Taylor and Wells combined. Not impossible but not particularly likely either. We have to engineer a scenario where we play six batsmen, a batting wicket-keeper and an all-rounder. One of the six batsmen needs to be able to bowl. Until we are able to field a more balanced side, we are simply too dependent on too small a number of batsmen.
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Post by coverpoint on May 2, 2016 11:39:03 GMT
To pick a single issue, our current batting line-up is extremely high risk. If we play five batsmen and the out-of form Brown, we are in dire trouble if we lose a couple of early wickets, as we did yesterday. From 23-2, we needed about 200 from Joyce, Taylor and Wells combined. Not impossible but not particularly likely either. We have to engineer a scenario where we play six batsmen, a batting wicket-keeper and an all-rounder. One of the six batsmen needs to be able to bowl. Until we are able to field a more balanced side, we are simply too dependent on too small a number of batsmen. Based on the current top six Wells needs to be the batsmen in the top six who bowls. Robinson should be the all-rounder. 200 is more likely to come from Joyce and Taylor than Wells. When is Wright back? When is Jordan back? |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 2, 2016 11:59:05 GMT
Well said Joe, at last some realism. Reading this board, you'd forget we haven't actually lost a match this season and have just had a bad day at the office. It's as if some are taking great delight in our struggles last season and in this match.That's a strange interpretation. I haven't seen any expressions of delight about the club's recent performances on this board. Most opinions seem to reflect the frustration and dismay at the damage that's been done to the team over the past couple of years. I'm beginning to wonder if you're wearing the IC regulation rose coloured specs! What's this obsession with the IC?? I support Sussex, and have done through thick and thin for 27 years. But seemingly there's this black and white, all or nothing scenario whereby if you come on here and don't slag off the club, the team, the committee and the former coach, then I get typecast as an imposter from the Inner Circle forum, where apparently, they're all just a load of line-towing boot-lickers. What a sad, cyber judgemental world we live in. If you guys are such rebels and revolutionaries, willing to challenge the club at every opportunity and not just go along with everything...then why did none of you put yourself forward for election on to th committee this year, or last, if things are so bad? That's how this club got sorted back in 1997, action by the membership and the nomination and election of people willing to do something about it. These days though, it's more about whingeing behind blogs and message boards, but not actually doing anything about it. I was discussing with someone at the match yesterday about when the last time was that there was actually an election for the committee, it's been years. People can moan about the running of the club and nothing changing all they like, but there's plenty that the membership can do about it. |
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