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Post by sharkey07 on May 1, 2016 17:47:44 GMT
I left ten overs into Leics batting, couldn't take any more, the body .language of the team is sadly lacking. You can see confidence is at rock bottom. Abject display of batting- Machan, Wells, Taylor & Brown brainless as was Shazhad getting run out first ball !
We are getting tonked again. Skipper Brown is broken already . The losing mentality of the club is crucifying this place . We are heading to rock bottom. The coach and his troops haven't an idea, I'm sad to say this season already looks like a desperate few months ahead .
Too many players consistently fail, aka Machan, Wells, Brown. The players are looking shell shocked and beaten and it's only 1 May.
The cosy club mentality is killing us, should have opted for Grizz or someone from outside .
Pathetic display , another defeat heading our way . Luckily their is no relegation in this division
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 17:50:23 GMT
I know you're reluctant to criticise as we all are, but name names. At the moment the whole team and coaching staff needs replacing! I predict even at this early stage of the season we will finish bottom as we are playing absolutely rubbish at the moment. Time to get rid of this family club rubbish and get someone in as Head Coach who is going to fire the players into performing and who will keep them on their toes as I don't think Davis is the man to do this. At the moment we are a losing club with a losing mentality. I don't think Brown is the right man as captain. How could you appoint a player who averaged 4.4 in T20 as captain. The sheer incompetence of those in charge, including Luke Wright, is breathtaking. Do any of them really care?
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Post by fraudster on May 1, 2016 18:04:55 GMT
You don't get my point CP and I can't be arsed to explain it anymore.
I'm glad Leics have gone on to give us a lesson in how to bat on our own pitch - I'm just astonished it's them and not Middlesex or someone. That's where we're at though, which is catastrophic frankly.
Everybody knew that a reshuffle of staff and an atrocious winter transfer window which saw us sign players we don't need and not sign players we do, was a recipe for disaster so no surprises here for me.
We are lost and it was inevitable. I'm afraid Davis is a worse coach than he was a player and is a poor, less experienced version of Mark Robinson. On the plus side, one of his skills could be recognizing and adapting quickly. There's no evidence of that so far but I really hope so.
P.S. What's with the 15 no-ball runs? I now get it's two per no-ball but I don't get 15.
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Post by coverpoint on May 1, 2016 18:11:06 GMT
You don't get my point CP and I can't be arsed to explain it anymore. I'm glad Leics have gone on to give us a lesson in how to bat on our own pitch - I'm just astonished it's them and not Middlesex or someone. That's where we're at though, which is catastrophic frankly. Everybody knew that a reshuffle of staff and an atrocious winter transfer window which saw us sign players we don't need and not sign players we do, was a recipe for disaster so no surprises here for me. We are lost and it was inevitable. I'm afraid Davis is a worse coach than he was a player and is a poor, less experienced version of Mark Robinson. On the plus side, one of his skills could be recognizing and adapting quickly. There's no evidence of that so far but I really hope so. P.S. What's with the 15 no-ball runs? I now get it's two per no-ball but I don't get 15. I do understand your point but it doesn't make a bit of difference if they bat as rubbish as this. The players have let themselves down, the club down and the supporters down. As for the fifteen no balls if there are runs scored off that ball which are not off the bat they count as no balls. What the Sussex players need tonight. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXEBMgeenmUFor those who can't work it out, it's a rocket up their arse! This video falls into the category of don't try this at home. How to motivate the players to perform? How about paying them only the living wage unless they perform? The players should be on a low basic salary with performance incentive built into the contract. I don't believe simply moving the coaching staff round the answer. New blood from outside with no connections to the county and move away from "the family" was needed. Successful teams are not dependent on being friends with one another and are more interested in simply winning games of cricket. Sussex cricket needs to be shaken up from top to bottom with a brand New Committee, coaching staff and new players brought in. To Wright and Jordan I would ask where your loyalties lie?
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Post by joe on May 1, 2016 18:15:53 GMT
.....and breathe.
Overcast conditions forecast for tomorrow, need to skittle them out cheaply, regroup and come back out with a positive attitude.
Feel slightly sorry for Brown, in at the deep end!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 19:00:26 GMT
Everything about Sussex today was wretched.
Anyone who wants to know what is wrong, read what Chris Adams had to say in the Argus two days ago.
Promotion favourites? You're having a laugh.
Sussex were a rabble today. No self-belief whatsoever - which is no surprise given this team has recorded just one CC win in 14 games, going back to May last year.
Abject and brainless batting (Murray Goodwin what are you doing?) and a criminal lack of discipline in the bowling (15 runs gifted in no-balls already in 38 overs? Yes, it's not easy to keep your foot behind the line running down the slope from the Cromwell Rd . But it's supposed to be harder for the away team who aren't accustomed to it! How come Leics bowled zero no-balls in 58 overs? )
The malaise at the heart of the club which was evident last season has not gone away and even the return of Luke Wright - whenever that might happen - isn't going to be enough to fix it.
Poor Ben Brown should be relieved of the duty of skippering the side and Nash installed as a stop-gap until Wright returns. Brown didn't expect such onerous responsibility, he's desperately struggling to cope and its tragic to behold. He's barely scored a run, the mix-up in Shahazad's run out was keystone cops, he dropped a regulation chance off Shahzad and his keeping was shoddy all round after tea. As for his judgement as a captain, he inserted Northants and watched them score 481-7 and he won the toss and batted today and Sussex were bowled out for 163. (Not that there was anything wrong with the pitch, but it's all adding to the pressure on the poor guy and the stress is ruining both his batting and his keeping.)
The first thing Sussex needs to do is forget all the 'family club/jobs for the old boys' bull and put a gobstopper in all the 'Robbo's rich legacy' malarkey, which is counter-productive and backwards-looking and only drags the club further downwards instead of looking to the future (and risks turning Davis into Sussex's equivalent of David Moyes at Man Utd). Robinson left an absolute train-wreck and a new chapter is needed.
Leics were dynamic today and Sussex were the exact opposite.There have to be lessons for Sussex to learn in how chairman Paul Heywood, CEO Wasim Khan and head coach Andrew MacDonald have come in and so dramamtically transformed Leics from the biggest losers in cricket into a vibrant, confident unit brimming with self-belief.
Leics already deserve to win this match. And if Sussex can learn some lessons from observing how Leics have been transformed from hopeless losers to confident victors, then perhaps something can be salvaged from a day that was as bad as anything we saw during last season's horrific implosion.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 19:31:38 GMT
ps: today's highlight for me (along with witnessing at first-hand the Lazarus-like resurrection of Leics, which only the most mean-spirited and parochial Sussex supporter would not wish to join in celebrating), was running into my old mate Paul Farbrace when I arrived at 11 am.
"Who are you here to see?" I asked, assuming that he was wearing his England hat and struggling to think who on earth could remotely be on his and Bayliss's radar on either side).
"No one. I'm just here to support my stepson," he replied, and then introduced me to Sandra, his wife, who also happens to be Ollie Robinson's mum.
He seems to be an extraordinarily good step-dad, as he told me it was the third time he'd been to Hove to see Ollie this season. Unfortunately, it wasn't one of Ollie's better days, but then he was hardly alone in that.
Top man, Farby. Not only one of the most successful men in cricket, but also one of the very nicest.
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Post by joe on May 1, 2016 20:07:35 GMT
ps: today's highlight for me (along with witnessing at first-hand the Lazarus-like resurrection of Leics, which only the most mean-spirited and parochial Sussex supporter would not wish to join in celebrating), was running into my old mate Paul Farbrace when I arrived at 11 am. "Who are you here to see?" I asked, assuming that he was wearing his England hat and struggling to think who on earth could remotely be on his and Bayliss's radar on either side). "No one. I'm just here to support my stepson," he replied, and then introduced me to Sandra, his wife, who also happens to be Ollie Robinson's mum. He seems to be an extraordinarily good step-dad, as he told me it was the third time he'd been to Hove to see Ollie this season. Unfortunately, it wasn't one of Ollie's better days, but then he was hardly alone in that. Top man, Farby. Not only one of the most successful men in cricket, but also one of the very nicest. Where've you been? That's old news!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 20:19:48 GMT
ps: today's highlight for me (along with witnessing at first-hand the Lazarus-like resurrection of Leics, which only the most mean-spirited and parochial Sussex supporter would not wish to join in celebrating), was running into my old mate Paul Farbrace when I arrived at 11 am. "Who are you here to see?" I asked, assuming that he was wearing his England hat and struggling to think who on earth could remotely be on his and Bayliss's radar on either side). "No one. I'm just here to support my stepson," he replied, and then introduced me to Sandra, his wife, who also happens to be Ollie Robinson's mum. He seems to be an extraordinarily good step-dad, as he told me it was the third time he'd been to Hove to see Ollie this season. Unfortunately, it wasn't one of Ollie's better days, but then he was hardly alone in that. Top man, Farby. Not only one of the most successful men in cricket, but also one of the very nicest. Where've you been? That's old news! Sorry if it was reported on here earlier in the thread that Farby was present today. I didn't see it as I only logged on when I got home and didn't read back across all of the day's earlier comments. I've known Farby for a dozen years as a kind and generous man who on numerous ocassions has left comp tkts on the gate for me, without me ever asking him to do so. But I hadn't met Ollie's mum Sandra before, although I knew all about her (it was quite the prurient gossip at Kent circa 2010 that the head coach was in a relationship with the mother of one of the academy boys). She seemed very nice and I was also impressed that although there was nobody among the 22 players on display today anywhere near the England radar, Farby came to Hove on a family day out - and for the third time this season - simply to show solidarity with his stepson. Apologies. I'll keep my thoughts and observartions to myself in future.
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Post by flashblade on May 1, 2016 20:43:04 GMT
Where've you been? That's old news! Sorry if it was reported on here earlier in the thread that Farby was present today. I didn't see it as I only logged on when I got home and didn't read back across all of the day's earlier comments. I've known Farby for a dozen years as a kind and generous man who on numerous ocassions has left comp tkts on the gate for me, without me ever asking him to do so. But I hadn't met Ollie's mum Sandra before, although I knew all about her (it was quite the prurient gossip at Kent circa 2010 that the head coach was in a relationship with the mother of one of the academy boys). She seemed very nice and I was also impressed that although there was nobody among the 22 players on display today anywhere near the England radar, Farby came to Hove on a family day out - and for the third time this season - simply to show solidarity with his stepson. Apologies. I'll keep my thoughts and observartions to myself in future. BM, from a neutral standpoint, I think you misunderstood joe's reference to 'old news'. I took it to refer to the fact that Farbrace is Ollie's step father, not the fact that he was at Hove today! So, thankfully, you can continue to give us your 'thoughts and observations'
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Post by flashblade on May 1, 2016 20:56:24 GMT
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Post by hhsussex on May 1, 2016 21:18:26 GMT
It is fortunate that so very few paying customers came to see Sussex on a lovely sunny Spring Bank Holiday weekend, to play so badly and to disappoint so many, including themselves. I can easily imagine senior members of the board watching aghast as our expensive overseas player once again got to 20 or so, looking comfortable, and then played a stupid sucker shot and got out. I can imagine them, with pursed lips and indrawn breath talking about the well-paid professional who got himself out when recovery was possible, and how he had played so well for the seconds - ahh but what a gulf exists! - and recognising that once the seniors had gone that there was nothing left, no reserves of strength, only the memory of past humiliations, the legacy of a stewed and rankling complacency gone sour.
Whether Mark Davis is a good and original coach is not known. Certainly he appears to be a very warm and engaging personality, far removed from his predecessor, whose baleful presence still hovers over Hove like the shadow of a predator, endlessly circling and threatening in it its homelesness. The repetitive insistence on "legacy", "Sussex family", and similar mawkish tropes hides the fearful nature of a management structure that cannot cope with an existence devoid of a few signal motivatory figures in its recent past. It is like the Tories at the turn of the century, shuffling the Tarot pack through Hague, Duncan-Smith, Howard, trying to fool themselves that the latest shambling zombie, lurching and swaying in the spotlight, had the authentic basilisk glare and trickle of infant's blood from the mouth of the mythical matriarch Thatcho.
Instead of celebrating the promise and present talent of Garton, of Robinson and Finch we are trying to prop ourselves up with the leftover lustre, now somewhat tarnished, of the remaining few from the fag end of an era that saw Sussex back into the First Division yet never entirely comfortable there. The Robinson legacy seems to be to avoid reinvention at all costs, to surround the players with wraiths and pale garlands instead of bolder colours and brash, fresh plantings. All the cant about service to the community, the advantageous and thrifty link-ups with pious bankers intent on purchasing indulgences through corporate social responsibility (cheaper than most forms of advertising, tax-efficient too) will not cut it with a membership already deprived of high class cricket and now condemned to less of the lower kind for at least another two seasons. Sussex CCC is a professional cricket club in a competitive environment. If it is serious about sustaining that role, success in which will underpin all other worthwhile social endeavours, then it has to make a breach with its recent past and engage with present realities with appropriate personnel.
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Post by fraudster on May 1, 2016 21:40:35 GMT
It is fortunate that so very few paying customers came to see Sussex on a lovely sunny Spring Bank Holiday weekend, to play so badly and to disappoint so many, including themselves. I can easily imagine senior members of the board watching aghast as our expensive overseas player once again got to 20 or so, looking comfortable, and then played a stupid sucker shot and got out. I can imagine them, with pursed lips and indrawn breath talking about the well-paid professional who got himself out when recovery was possible, and how he had played so well for the seconds - ahh but what a gulf exists! - and recognising that once the seniors had gone that there was nothing left, no reserves of strength, only the memory of past humiliations, the legacy of a stewed and rankling complacency gone sour. Whether Mark Davis is a good and original coach is not known. Certainly he appears to be a very warm and engaging personality, far removed from his predecessor, whose baleful presence still hovers over Hove like the shadow of a predator, endlessly circling and threatening in it its homelesness. The repetitive insistence on "legacy", "Sussex family", and similar mawkish tropes hides the fearful nature of a management structure that cannot cope with an existence devoid of a few signal motivatory figures in its recent past. It is like the Tories at the turn of the century, shuffling the Tarot pack through Hague, Duncan-Smith, Howard, trying to fool themselves that the latest shambling zombie, lurching and swaying in the spotlight, had the authentic basilisk glare and trickle of infant's blood from the mouth of the mythical matriarch Thatcho. Instead of celebrating the promise and present talent of Garton, of Robinson and Finch we are trying to prop ourselves up with the leftover lustre, now somewhat tarnished, of the remaining few from the fag end of an era that saw Sussex back into the First Division yet never entirely comfortable there. The Robinson legacy seems to be to avoid reinvention at all costs, to surround the players with wraiths and pale garlands instead of bolder colours and brash, fresh plantings. All the cant about service to the community, the advantageous and thrifty link-ups with pious bankers intent on purchasing indulgences through corporate social responsibility (cheaper than most forms of advertising, tax-efficient too) will not cut it with a membership already deprived of high class cricket and now condemned to less of the lower kind for at least another two seasons. Sussex CCC is a professional cricket club in a competitive environment. If it is serious about sustaining that role, success in which will underpin all other worthwhile social endeavours, then it has to make a breach with its recent past and engage with present realities with appropriate personnel. That was like reading some book where I don't know what the hell is going on. Not that I ever read books, rather lick sulfuric acid frankly. I dunno about this game or what the hell we're trying to do in it but it can be much more simple - Drop Briggs and Wells and bring in Finch and Salt. Nash can do whatever job Briggs is doing and Brown & Co can go back to batting in positions they are comfortable. That's all we can do for now, I don't know why we haven't been doing it from the start. Maybe it's because Davis (judging from that interview) and most people who have an opinion, probably, seem to think that by playing five bowlers we are automatically playing positive attacking cricket - think again nunb-nuts. We are playing negative and wasteful cricket with our fifth bowler. Look how Rashid was used at Notts today and you will see a positive approach to a fifth bowler. Look how Briggs was used in our last game and you will see a negative one.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 1, 2016 21:42:54 GMT
You don't get my point CP and I can't be arsed to explain it anymore. I'm glad Leics have gone on to give us a lesson in how to bat on our own pitch - I'm just astonished it's them and not Middlesex or someone. That's where we're at though, which is catastrophic frankly. Everybody knew that a reshuffle of staff and an atrocious winter transfer window which saw us sign players we don't need and not sign players we do, was a recipe for disaster so no surprises here for me. We are lost and it was inevitable. I'm afraid Davis is a worse coach than he was a player and is a poor, less experienced version of Mark Robinson. On the plus side, one of his skills could be recognizing and adapting quickly. There's no evidence of that so far but I really hope so. P.S. What's with the 15 no-ball runs? I now get it's two per no-ball but I don't get 15. I do understand your point but it doesn't make a bit of difference if they bat as rubbish as this. The players have let themselves down, the club down and the supporters down. As for the fifteen no balls if there are runs scored off that ball which are not off the bat they count as no balls. What the Sussex players need tonight. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXEBMgeenmUFor those who can't work it out, it's a rocket up their arse! This video falls into the category of don't try this at home. How to motivate the players to perform? How about paying them only the living wage unless they perform? The players should be on a low basic salary with performance incentive built into the contract. I don't believe simply moving the coaching staff round the answer. New blood from outside with no connections to the county and move away from "the family" was needed. Successful teams are not dependent on being friends with one another and are more interested in simply winning games of cricket. Sussex cricket needs to be shaken up from top to bottom with a brand New Committee, coaching staff and new players brought in. To Wright and Jordan I would ask where your loyalties lie? Wright is injured!!
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on May 1, 2016 21:45:06 GMT
It is fortunate that so very few paying customers came to see Sussex on a lovely sunny Spring Bank Holiday weekend, to play so badly and to disappoint so many, including themselves. I can easily imagine senior members of the board watching aghast as our expensive overseas player once again got to 20 or so, looking comfortable, and then played a stupid sucker shot and got out. I can imagine them, with pursed lips and indrawn breath talking about the well-paid professional who got himself out when recovery was possible, and how he had played so well for the seconds - ahh but what a gulf exists! - and recognising that once the seniors had gone that there was nothing left, no reserves of strength, only the memory of past humiliations, the legacy of a stewed and rankling complacency gone sour. Whether Mark Davis is a good and original coach is not known. Certainly he appears to be a very warm and engaging personality, far removed from his predecessor, whose baleful presence still hovers over Hove like the shadow of a predator, endlessly circling and threatening in it its homelesness. The repetitive insistence on "legacy", "Sussex family", and similar mawkish tropes hides the fearful nature of a management structure that cannot cope with an existence devoid of a few signal motivatory figures in its recent past. It is like the Tories at the turn of the century, shuffling the Tarot pack through Hague, Duncan-Smith, Howard, trying to fool themselves that the latest shambling zombie, lurching and swaying in the spotlight, had the authentic basilisk glare and trickle of infant's blood from the mouth of the mythical matriarch Thatcho. Instead of celebrating the promise and present talent of Garton, of Robinson and Finch we are trying to prop ourselves up with the leftover lustre, now somewhat tarnished, of the remaining few from the fag end of an era that saw Sussex back into the First Division yet never entirely comfortable there. The Robinson legacy seems to be to avoid reinvention at all costs, to surround the players with wraiths and pale garlands instead of bolder colours and brash, fresh plantings. All the cant about service to the community, the advantageous and thrifty link-ups with pious bankers intent on purchasing indulgences through corporate social responsibility (cheaper than most forms of advertising, tax-efficient too) will not cut it with a membership already deprived of high class cricket and now condemned to less of the lower kind for at least another two seasons. Sussex CCC is a professional cricket club in a competitive environment. If it is serious about sustaining that role, success in which will underpin all other worthwhile social endeavours, then it has to make a breach with its recent past and engage with present realities with appropriate personnel. What a load of drivel.
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