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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 12, 2016 8:54:16 GMT
Anyhow no point going over old ground it's a done deal
RIP County Cricket!
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Post by jim on Oct 12, 2016 9:10:57 GMT
Just for clarification the valuations for city franchises are not from Deloitte
They are crunching numbers based on assumptions given them by the ECB
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 9:14:08 GMT
Every single game in the new tournament (56 I think?) will be televised around the world.
In the T20 Blast only a handful of games are televised, and none at all when they clash with international cricket.
The new tournament will be higher profle with the world's best players. The T20 Blast is more parochial with only two overseas players max.
It's really not hard to see the limitations of one and the huge potential of the other and the "huge disparity" which this creates in the respective revenues.
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Post by theleopard on Oct 12, 2016 9:16:16 GMT
Sorry, I should have said Championship Cricket fans. I believe the 18 counties can muster only around 70,000 members in total (someone please correct this figure if necessary - I'm speaking from memory.) so in terms of numbers, and age, they are not the future of cricket in this country. Surely then, given that the counties are drawing in many thousands of spectators to the T20 Blast games, compared with the County Championship, the primary focus should be on both retaining and increasing these supporters? It is they, "in terms of numbers, and age" that are almost certainly the future of county cricket and are absolutely vital to its relevance.
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 12, 2016 9:22:59 GMT
Every single game in the new tournament (56 I think?) will be televised around the world. In the T20 Blast only a handful of games are televised, and none at all when they clash with international cricket. The new tournament will be higher profle with the world's best players. The T20 Blast is more parochial with only two overseas players max. It's really not hard to see the limitations of one and the huge potential of the other and the "huge disparity" which this creates in the respective revenues. Yes but this is my point. Why couldn't a 2 division blast where all the premier league games are televised achieve similar numbers?
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 12, 2016 9:30:03 GMT
I really don't see the benefit of a city based tournament over a well marketed 2 division county t20
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 12, 2016 9:33:10 GMT
Every single game in the new tournament (56 I think?) will be televised around the world. In the T20 Blast only a handful of games are televised, and none at all when they clash with international cricket. The new tournament will be higher profle with the world's best players. The T20 Blast is more parochial with only two overseas players max. It's really not hard to see the limitations of one and the huge potential of the other and the "huge disparity" which this creates in the respective revenues. I didn't realise these figures were based on the blast in its current guise - that's even more ridiculous and no wonder the Ecb were able to produce figures like this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 10:15:24 GMT
Just for clarification the valuations for city franchises are not from Deloitte They are crunching numbers based on assumptions given them by the ECB If Deloitte 'crunched the numbers' then it was by defintion Deloitte that produced the valuations which emerged at the end of the number crunching. It goes without saying that ECB was the only body able to provide the logisitcal framework (or "assumptions" as you call them) involving structure of the tournament, timings, number of matches etc. and one of only two parties privy to the numbers discussed in their preliminary explorations with Sky Sports (it was originally reported that a sum of £40m had been mooted in those discussions). I'm sure messrs Patel and Calder will set it all out clearly tonight and allay your concerns!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 12, 2016 12:37:35 GMT
It is going to be really interesting to hear what the ECB representatives say tonight. I can see why the media rights would be far higher for a CBT than a revamped T20 Blast but the actual figures can only be known once SKY or BTSports or both start bidding. There is a precedent with the IPL and BBL, in particular, where the ECB business model is based. Initially Channel 10 payed Aus$20m per year for the BBL but due to its huge success an impending new deal in a few years time may well double to Aus$40m as Channel 9 have shown interest in bidding too. Given the country's relatively small population of 24m, an average of 1m people watch each BBL game on TV - up 11% from 2014. www.couriermail.com.au/sport/cricket/big-bash-league-tv-rights-sets-to-explode-after-stunning-ratings-surge/news-story/3103e86b8252b025b12a7264a9da80eaThe IPL is altogether on another planet. Wiki states, "On 17 January 2008 it was announced that a consortium consisting of India's Sony Entertainment Television (Set Max) network and Singapore-based World Sport Group secured the global broadcasting rights of the Indian Premier League. The record deal has a duration of ten years at a cost of US$1.026 billion. As part of the deal, the consortium will pay the BCCI US$918 million for the television broadcast rights and US$108 million for the promotion of the tournament. The initial plan was for 20% of these proceeds would go to IPL, 8% as prize money and 72% would be distributed to the franchisees from 2008 until 2012, after which the IPL would go public and list its shares. However, in March 2010, IPL decided not to go public and list its shares. Sony-WSG then re-sold parts of the broadcasting rights geographically to other companies. Sony Pictures Networks India (SPN) has raked in Rs 1,200 crore as advertising revenue from the ninth edition of the tournament, a growth of twenty percent from last year. The broadcaster had mopped up Rs. 1,000 crore as advertising revenue in IPL 2015." Meanwhile, according to global valuation and corporate finance advisor Duff & Phelps, the value of brand IPL has jumped to $4.16 billion after the 2016 edition, against $3.54 billion in 2015. The 19% jump is despite the fact that the US dollar to Indian rupee currency has depreciated by nearly 10%. Therefore, the ECBs speculated sum of £32m a year seems quite reasonable. It is interesting to note that the IPL media rights are sold around the world to separate countries. For example, M/S ESPN paid $12.4m for a 3 year period just for coverage in the US. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Premier_League
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Post by flashblade on Oct 17, 2016 8:04:06 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 17, 2016 8:29:10 GMT
A typical Lizzy Ammon story showing off her anti-stance towards a CBT.
We heard a very different story last Wednesday at the Members Meeting. We were told by Sanjay Patel that the T20 Blast would continue on as before except with two less matches per team BUT not when the CBT was playing; whereas the Championship, instead, will carry on during August beneath the CBT.
This led one Sussex Board Director to become quite excited, suggesting the number of games could return to 16. Patel agreed with the view suggesting this was a distinct possibility.
I have found Ammon's journalism in recent times disappointing. She has lost her instincts for a story and is running around like a headless chicken attempting to please whatever the cricketing mood is of that week. Writing 40 tweets a day is also getting on my nerves. Unfollowing her though is not a good idea as there is often one tweet amongst the 40 which is worthwhile.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 8:38:01 GMT
Not much to it, to be honest. Story was posted last night but had disappeared from the on-line edition by 9 am.
It's a cobbled together story from bits and pieces said by ECB reps at the members' meetings they have attended around the country, like the Sussex one .
The only newish bit is that it is alleged that one members meeting was told "it may not be possible to continue to play the County Championship during the window identified for the Supercharge." Which directly contradicts what the two ECB reps told the Sussex meeting,I think?
Note that it is only a "may" so the story is pretty speculative. If the CC stops for 4-5 weeks in July/Aug, the alternative floated is that a Gillette Cup style knock out comp. involving f/c and minor counties could run concurrent with the "Supercharge" - presumably truncated from the old 60 over format to 20.
Much as I like the idea of a knock-out comp, I would oppose it being played during the 4-5 weeks of the "Supercharge" : my strong view is that the CC has to continue during that window, because if it does not , the championship programme will be cut from next season's 14 matches to a maximum of 12.
The other bit about regional v city is not new, and has been discussed before on this thread - the notion that the eight teams will be based in major cities but , for example, the team based at Cardiff might also play the odd game at Bristol.
For what it is worth, here is the story:
"The ECB is exploring the possibility of introducing a new limited-overs competition to run alongside the proposed eight-team, city-based “Supercharge” Twenty20 competition.
ECB officials are engaged in meetings with county members to discuss the Supercharge tournament and the restructuring of domestic cricket.
At one meeting, it was revealed that one option that the governing body is looking at is to have a knockout-style one-day competition involving the minor counties and the county players not competing in the Supercharge.
There is growing recognition within the ECB that it may not be possible to continue to play the County Championship during the window identified for the Supercharge — a four or five-week period during the school holidays — and that cricket outside of the eight cities cannot stop for five weeks.
Colin Graves, the ECB chairman, admitted that it is almost certain that the Indian board of control will not approve any Indian players appearing in the Supercharge and that there will need to be an England international programme that runs throughout the proposed Supercharge window.
The ECB has also admitted that the tournament may involve eight “regional” rather than “city-based” teams to allow for more than eight venues to be used — an admission that has led to one county chairman saying: “They’re clearly making it up as they go along with no answers to our questions.”
Richard Gould, the Surrey chief executive, told The Times: “The practical considerations of another T20 competition are complicated and we are waiting for the ECB to provide us with a full understanding of their plan. We do not know when it will be unveiled.”
The ECB is expected to press ahead with the new competition, though it will need a formal vote by the counties for its proposals to be approved."
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Post by theleopard on Oct 17, 2016 9:49:03 GMT
ECB officials are engaged in meetings with county members to discuss the Supercharge tournament and the restructuring of domestic cricket.
At one meeting, it was revealed that one option that the governing body is looking at is to have a knockout-style one-day competition involving the minor counties and the county players not competing in the Supercharge.
The latest option I hear is that the County Championship will be played as three conferences of 6. The winners of each conference will then play in a 10 over "ChargeOn" tournamant against the top three city-based sides to decide the "SuperChamps". Meanwhile there will be a 5 over a side "SuperSummer" tournament involving Loughborough MCCU, Suffolk, England Lions, Sri Lanka, Accrington and the Isle of Man, played in a 2 week window in August while England simultaneously play Australia and India in a "Combi-Test" series where they play 2 games at once. The counties will play T20 Blast games in the mornings in April, before starting Championship matches at 2pm. There will also be a "BangBangBang" at Whitgift School over 2 weeks in July consisting of Jason Roy attempting to deposit as many deliveries from a bowling machine as he can into the road before he catches a taxi to play in the World T20 "ChampOfChamps" SuperFinal at The Oval starting at midnight.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 17, 2016 10:31:59 GMT
...one county chairman saying: “They’re clearly making it up as they go along with no answers to our questions.”
Sums up Ammon's piece. I have never read such confused and speculative tosh and piffle. Hopefully, this week we will hear far more substantiated information given the ECB meeting tomorrow when the CBT proposals are fully discussed.
One wonders whether the present 18 county cricket ECB meetings going on are causing more confusion than good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 10:44:18 GMT
...one county chairman saying: “They’re clearly making it up as they go along with no answers to our questions.” One man's "clearly making it up as they go along" is another man's "carefully exploring every nuance to ensure we get it right"... Given that it was only a month ago that an eight-team city-based tournament was just one of five dramatically different and constrasting options on the table, the county chairman who is allegedly complaiming four weeks later that every detail isn't cast in stone is a buffoon. My money is on George Kennedy?
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