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Post by leedsgull on Oct 17, 2016 14:38:01 GMT
sandf You refer to the 18 ECB county meetings. Do we actually know how many meetings have been held? There has certainly not been one in Yorkshire!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 17, 2016 15:33:19 GMT
lg,
I am not sure. I believe there has been mention of around 6 meetings to date including at Sussex. I am amazed by Yorkshire's silence over the matter given Colin Graves status.
Tomorrow is the big day when the ECB meet to finalise their primary CBT proposals, so am very much looking forward to reading them when published. The annual £1.3m which the ECB will give to each county from the initial 5 year media rights money appears nailed on. Everything else stated up to now is pretty much conjecture.
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Post by flashblade on Oct 17, 2016 15:54:15 GMT
lg, I am not sure. I believe there has been mention of around 6 meetings to date including at Sussex. I am amazed by Yorkshire's silence over the matter given Colin Graves status. Tomorrow is the big day when the ECB meet to finalise their primary CBT proposals, so am very much looking forward to reading them when published. The annual £1.3m which the ECB will give to each county from the initial 5 year media rights money appears nailed on. Everything else stated up to now is pretty much conjecture. Nailed on - but only on the assumption that a new tournament generates the necessary profit!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 17, 2016 16:31:45 GMT
Fb,
No. Sanjay Patel explained quite clearly to a floor question - someone who was concerned the CBT might be a dismal failure and therefore no money for the counties would materialise - that the winning bid for the media rights - whether it is SKY or BTSports or even ESPN - not only covered an initial 5 years but the money is to be paid upfront to the ECB.
Therefore, each county will be given an annual £1.3m over a 5 year period or £6.5m in total, even if the tournament doesn't take off. The majority risk comes from the media rights bidder alongside a smaller risk from the ECB eg. monies paid out for marketing, promotion etc.. So, that county money of £6.5m each is nailed on over 5 years.
Patel stated that there has already been sufficient financial interest from TV which allows the ECB to state £1.3m or £23.4m a year. In fact, this sum could become higher depending if there is a bidding war or not between SKY, BTSports, ESPN etc..
That is why 2020 is viewed as the potential start period because the present SKY deal with the ECB doesn't end until 2019 - which is a crying shame. The sooner this tournament begins the better, imho.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 17:02:00 GMT
each county will be given an annual £1.3m over a 5 year period, even if the tournament doesn't take off. Are Jim May and George Kennedy going to stick to their "principles" and vote against a cash injection of £6.5 million for Sussex and Kent over the period of 2020-2024? Mr Kennedy is possibly reckless enough to do so, because he's a man possessed in his declaration of war on the ECB and maybe doesn't care about the long-term because he will have retired long before the money kicks in. But I'm pretty certain that Mr May is a more pragmatic individual who holds the long-term interests of Sussexx CCC more important than his amour propre. I said on here two weeks ago that I expect the vote to go through virtually unopposed. Surrey may well abstain. £1.3 million per annum is peanuts to them ( 5-6 per cent of their annual turnover). But I doubt they will vote against, because they will not want the odium of the 17 less affluent counties who cannot afford to turn down the money and several of whom will surely go into bankruptcy without it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 10:12:51 GMT
Patel stated that there has already been sufficient financial interest from TV which allows the ECB to state £1.3m or £23.4m a year. In fact, this sum could become higher depending if there is a bidding war or not between SKY, BTSports, ESPN etc.. That is why 2020 is viewed as the potential start period because the present SKY deal with the ECB doesn't end until 2019 - which is a crying shame. The sooner this tournament begins the better, imho. I am a bit slow on the uptake and have only just fully comprehended the significance of the 2020 date. BT Sport have moved into cricket coverage big time by snatching the rights to next winter's Ashes series down under from Sky (and are starting this winter with the Australia v South Africa series). I guess the ECB has calculated that this fires the starting gun on a titanic bidding war between Sky and BT over domestic cricket coverage rights from 2020 onwards. Sky will be really smarting from losing the Ashes series in Australia and will no doubt be prepared to throw around silly money to try and keep BT out of the domestic market. This is why the ECB can afford to be so dismissive of the moaning minnies praying for failure with their 'what if it doesn't work' and 'where's the money' hand-wringing... The maximum revenue can probably be raised by splitting the rights - Sky keeping what it currently has and BT Sport outbidding them for the new competition, perhaps. It's exciting and English county cricket can only be the winner. For once! And the added bonus of BT Sport's entry into the market is that in the next Ashes series we won't have to listen to Botham being stupid, Hussain being boring and Nick Knight being extremely annoying. BT have already announced that the commentary team will consist of Swann, Ponting, Vaughan, Pietersen, the excellent Alison Mitchell and someone from Radio 1 called Greg James, who will take the anchor role held at Sky by Gower. Despite his hugely admirable qualities, Gower now has the air of someone who has beeen doing it too long and has grown weary, dreary and past his sell-by. I don't know Greg James, but his background suggests he will liven things up considerably from Gower's increasingly soporific approach. The only one of the Sky lot I shall miss is Atherton.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 18, 2016 10:35:59 GMT
Bm, Greg James is a huge Surrey fan and knows his cricket. The Cricketer Magazine offers a surprising piece on their website this week entitled "THE DEBATE: IS THE PROPOSED T20 CITY TOURNAMENT A GOOD IDEA?" Surprising because Simon Hughes, the editor, is strongly Pro the tournament, yet allows a rival publication and their star journalist GD, to write the anti-stance view where he's given more words than the Pro-stance of Ben Stokes. I cannot stop wondering whether Cricinfo's about-turn view on an EPL during the last year has more to do with pressure being exerted from their owners, ESPN, rather than the actual journalists' own views. I am surprised Dobell holds such a negative opinion as in the past, he has consistently shown a more forward-thinking approach to the sport. Call me a conspiracist but I am sure the last thing ESPN want is for an EPL to take off and rival their own IPL given the bad blood between the two cricketing nations, stoked most recently by Giles Clarke. It is interesting to note GDs last comment: "Most of the problems with the game in this country could be solved with a bit of free-to-air television coverage." At the Members Meeting last week at Sussex this question was asked from the floor. Why can't a revamped T20 Blast gain free-to-air TV coverage? The response from the ECB representatives was unanimous. No TV company is willing. They are only interested if the tournament is City-Based and modelled around the BBL and IPL. www.thecricketer.com/default.aspx?pageid=1223&catid=71&topicid=42679
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Post by leedsgull on Oct 18, 2016 10:49:34 GMT
Greg James regularly acts as the middle man on R5 "Anderson & Swann" shows where he seems quite personable. He appeared on TMS "View from the boundary" and was berated by Boycott for wearing jeans. I think you can expect more "youth culture" from him.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 18, 2016 11:09:11 GMT
Lg,
I met him earlier in the year for a chat about Surrey as part of a feature I was writing on the county. I like him. James is a personable guy. He's been a lover of cricket all his life and a long-term Surrey fan. He played cricket for the Hertfordshire under-18s (I believe as a batsman) and has a close friendship with Jimmy Anderson. James is a godfather to Anderson's youngest daughter. And, of course, there is the celebrity status. If memory serves he had a relationship with the singer, Ellie Goulding, for two years.
James favourite Surrey CCC period was the mid 90s to early 2000s. His language sums up the man. He told me, "That was a great period with people like the Hollioakes and Alec Stewart emerging. My heroes as a kid were Thorpey, Saquain and Ramps. They, along with fidgety Alec, were the players I wanted to be like. Today, on occasions, I share the radio mic with Alec. He’s a lovely bloke, a straight-talker, knowledgeable and very funny to be with. Shame he’s a Chelsea supporter." He continued, "As to the things I most look forward to this season is Club success and seeing Sir John Major’s Jaguar as I enter the Hobbs Gate. A Surrey combo not to be missed."
I reckon he will be great for the anchor-role and give cricket a real breath of fresh air. The majority of dinosaurs at SKY passed their sell-by-date a fair time ago, so I can see BTSport making a major impact. I hope they win the CBT bidding war. The idea of seeing Gower, Willis, Knight et al in wheel-chairs is not a sight I want to savour.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 11:30:22 GMT
It is interesting to note GDs last comment: "Most of the problems with the game in this country could be solved with a bit of free-to-air television coverage." Which is an utterly asinine comment and further evidence that the writer is a polemicist and antagonist rather than a reporter. The ECB know that the battleground is rapidly moving on from FTA v subscription channels and that young people barely watch TV at all - they watch on their tablets and other portable devices. The mobile streaming rights to the IPL last year went for 45 million US dollars. In time mobile rights for live events will probably be worth more than the conventional TV rights. (on edit: Which presumably leaves BT very handily placed...)
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 18, 2016 12:29:18 GMT
It is interesting to note GDs last comment: "Most of the problems with the game in this country could be solved with a bit of free-to-air television coverage." Which is an utterly asinine comment and further evidence that the writer is a polemicist and antagonist rather than a reporter. The ECB know that the battleground is rapidly moving on from FTA v subscription channels and that young people barely watch TV at all - they watch on their tablets and other portable devices.
The mobile streaming rights to the IPL last year went for 45 million US dollars. In time mobile rights for live events will probably be worth more than the conventional TV rights. (on edit: Which presumably leaves BT very handily placed...) Precisely right. As recorded from the ECB presentation at Hove last week unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/post/21831/thread: "Free to air is vitally important – but so is digital reach – children and young people have limited interest in TV – getting clips of cricket onto mobiles this year and thus breaking the TV paywall was a planned coup by ECB: 10 million viewers" And regarding your earlier post, 2020 is indeed when competition for new rights will be keenest, and the knowledge that they can create a product geared to take advantage of these changing and maturing markets is why ECB are supremely confident that they can give the counties the payout that is so desperately needed. At the moment everything works in their favour: they have at least 18 months to corral all the first class cats and give them whatever level of pampering they need, from the exotic highly-bred appetites of Surrey to the survivalist hunger of the semi-feral moggies who struggle to keep going. Plenty of time to work through the complexities of fixtures planning, of international versus domestic commitments, of managing the involvement of new sponsors and the continuance of the old. There will not be final answers to all the questions asked tomorrow, or the next day, but there is a sense of proper project management.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 13:29:56 GMT
Agree that there is indeed "a sense of proper project management." It appears to be very thorough and serious and it's plain pathetic for people like Adrian 'Brooksy' Moles to snipe on Twitter that "ECB are making it up as they go along." It seems that there was even more detail unveiled to Leics members by Hollins and Fordham than at the Sussex meeting. Much of it is contained in this article on cricbuzz by Freddie Wilde (whose support for the city-based tournaament seems to have led to his banishment from cricinfo): www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/83356/ecb-sheds-more-light-on-t20-plans-new-t20-tournament-may-be-held-in-2020Clearly from what Hollins says, a lot of thought is going into how the existing T20Blast can be enhanced at the same time and not made "totally meaningless" (as I think it was lovelyboy claimed). Three groups of six, playing each other twice rather than the current assymetrical competition, it seems. Still televised and with an all-singing, all-dancing finals day as at present, but all done and dusted before the new tournment starts in late July. It's interesting that Wilde also picked up from the Leics meeting the same line as Elizabeth Ammon about the possibility of a second new competition. But unlike Ammon, who hammed it up into a big 'exclusive' in The Times, Wilde alludes to it only briefly in his final sentence: "One possibility is that the County Championship could be played through August while another is a new limited overs competition, possibly involving minor counties." Frankly, that aspect of it is still so speculative at the moment that it deserves no greater prominence than Wilde affords it. And I can't see it's got any legs at all: the counties will not want the further cut in the 14 match CC programme that this would entail, so I would lay money that the CC will continueto be played throughout the period of the "Supercharge" as Ammon calls it (in what appears to be another example of jumping the gun as apparently no decsion on the title of a competition that is still four years away has yet been taken...)
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Post by moderator1 on Oct 18, 2016 13:56:51 GMT
Nice to see this on The White Rose Forum, a very well conducted Yorkshire message board. www.network54.com/Forum/274761/thread/1474016889/last-1476796746/Future+of+county+based+cricketFor those wanting a very well informed thread on the city based tournament(CBT) and its implications for county cricket, take a look on the unofficial Sussex fans forum and its discussion 'future of county cricket (or similar). Very well written, some with excellent debate and feedback from a recent ECB forum.
Lets be honest, it's when and how rather than if. On the Sussex forum, there's rumor of a FA cup style comp for non-CBT teams and players to run parallel with the new comp. Further rumour that the CC could be anything from back to 16 games, reduced to 12 or run as three conferences. Its well worth a read.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 14:11:41 GMT
More on mobile streaming etc: ECB chief exec Tom Harrison is travelling to the United States next month for meetings with Twitter and Facebook about digital rights.
Not sure why he's bothering as Dobell has instructed us that "most of the problems with the game in this country could be solved with a bit of free-to-air television coverage".
Most of them... just not the over-riding problem of making cricket relevant for a 21st century audience!
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Post by leedsgull on Oct 18, 2016 15:28:16 GMT
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