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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 18, 2016 16:08:53 GMT
Always good to lead the story. In the hare and tortoise news race the BBC are usually the tortoise, except for the Sir Cliff story where they play the buffoon.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 20, 2016 15:36:38 GMT
A Worcestershire member posts here www.cricket247.org/community/showthread.php?t=19332&page=41 about the ECB presentation made at New Road yesterday morning. Personnel this time were Colin Graves, Gordon Hollins and Mike Fordham, and the statements made all conform with what was said at Hove, and in reports of the Leicestershire forum. Many people dislike and/or mistrust what has been put forward by the ECB, and question the validity of their marketing assumptions. What is unarguable, except by those who are determined to be negative, is that they are consistent in their statements and they have not backtracked or changed their propositions throughout this process of communication.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 15:53:19 GMT
A Worcestershire member posts here www.cricket247.org/community/showthread.php?t=19332&page=41 about the ECB presentation made at New Road yesterday morning. Personnel this time were Colin Graves, Gordon Hollins and Mike Fordham, and the statements made all conform with what was said at Hove, and in reports of the Leicestershire forum. Many people dislike and/or mistrust what has been put forward by the ECB, and question the validity of their marketing assumptions. What is unarguable, except by those who are determined to be negative, is that they are consistent in their statements and they have not backtracked or changed their propositions throughout this process of communication. Adrian Mole disagrees: @cdccbrooksy < So, the ECB have a "great" idea then fudge it to regions and delay to 2020. Either it is a great idea or it is not #fudge>
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 20, 2016 16:12:34 GMT
A Worcestershire member posts here www.cricket247.org/community/showthread.php?t=19332&page=41 about the ECB presentation made at New Road yesterday morning. Personnel this time were Colin Graves, Gordon Hollins and Mike Fordham, and the statements made all conform with what was said at Hove, and in reports of the Leicestershire forum. Many people dislike and/or mistrust what has been put forward by the ECB, and question the validity of their marketing assumptions. What is unarguable, except by those who are determined to be negative, is that they are consistent in their statements and they have not backtracked or changed their propositions throughout this process of communication. Adrian Mole disagrees: @cdccbrooksy < So, the ECB have a "great" idea then fudge it to regions and delay to 2020. Either it is a great idea or it is not #fudge> Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 20, 2016 21:10:54 GMT
A Worcestershire member posts here www.cricket247.org/community/showthread.php?t=19332&page=41 about the ECB presentation made at New Road yesterday morning. Personnel this time were Colin Graves, Gordon Hollins and Mike Fordham, and the statements made all conform with what was said at Hove, and in reports of the Leicestershire forum. Many people dislike and/or mistrust what has been put forward by the ECB, and question the validity of their marketing assumptions. What is unarguable, except by those who are determined to be negative, is that they are consistent in their statements and they have not backtracked or changed their propositions throughout this process of communication. Adrian Mole disagrees: @cdccbrooksy < So, the ECB have a "great" idea then fudge it to regions and delay to 2020. Either it is a great idea or it is not #fudge> Well he's got a point hasn't he?
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Post by flashblade on Oct 21, 2016 6:51:32 GMT
Adrian Mole disagrees: @cdccbrooksy < So, the ECB have a "great" idea then fudge it to regions and delay to 2020. Either it is a great idea or it is not #fudge> Well he's got a point hasn't he? To be fair, a "great idea" has to be honed and polished before it can become a viable plan. Brooksy is sounding demented, for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 11:56:38 GMT
The details of the new tournament are being worked out by an ECB working party of county chairmen and CEOs, preasumably so that the likes of Legside Lizzy and Dobell cannot claim this is an evil plan being imposed on the reluctant counties by Ghastly Graves and 'orrible Harrison.
I don't know who is on the working party, but I think we can take it that Sussex are not represented...
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 4, 2016 13:37:09 GMT
November is proving to be a chaotic and topsy-turvy month. Brexit is now being undermined; Donald Trump is level pegging in the US Elections; and Essex who voted as one of 16 counties for negotiation and discussion over the CBT are now questioning the tournament. Chairman, John Faragher, believes that some counties have changed their views since September's vote. He says, "The proposal, in my view as it stands, will seriously, seriously devalue county cricket and our own domestic T20 competition." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37858871
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 4, 2016 13:50:16 GMT
November is proving to be a chaotic and topsy-turvy month. Brexit is now being undermined; Donald Trump is level pegging in the US Elections; and Essex who voted as one of 16 counties for negotiation and discussion over the CBT are now questioning the tournament. Chairman, John Faragher, believes that some counties have changed their views since September's vote. He says, "The proposal, in my view as it stands, will seriously, seriously devalue county cricket and our own domestic T20 competition." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37858871That appears to be the same interview that is quoted in the Cricket Paper of today's date. Faragher seems to want to have his cake and eat it: you can't say "I'm very much in favour of change in cricket and we have to do that...to engage with the next generation" and at the same time claim that the change process is flawed. It is revealing that he also says " I have a concern that if we were to go down the eight-team city-based route, we would end up...having eight counties like state cricket in Australia". That looks like a massive misunderstanding of the whole dialogue of change as presented by the ECB, and perhaps it is Faragher's intention to appease some of his own diehard members. It contrasts very strongly with the much more dignified acceptance that seems to be coming from Sussex, shown first by Jim May's chairmanship of the ECB presentation, and then in your own excellent interview with Zac Toumazi. I wouldn't worry about statements for the record from Faragher, the course is already determined and what is needed is an intelligent and cooperative attitude and willingness to work through the many strands of detail to make a new structure work well.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 17, 2016 8:48:06 GMT
A fascinating and in depth interview with Colin Graves by Nick Hoult in the Telegraph today ( www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2016/11/16/colin-graves-points-new-way-forward-to-avoid-another-durham-and/) covering a range of issues about the future of the game, from Durham and the decisions regrading the penalties to the step-by-step detailed approach the ECB are taking to introfucing the new T20 league. Some of it may be special pleading and may be economical with the truth: "I have no financial interest in Yorkshire personally whatsoever....My family trust virtually loaned Yorkshire money 12 years ago. That trust is run by separate trustees who are legal experts. They invest the family trust as they feel fit. What they do is down to them. They renegotiated their investment with the new chairman of Yorkshire when I stood down. I have nothing to do with it whatsoever....Regarding how the trust gets paid, when they get paid, I haven’t a clue." He does give a comprehensive explanation for the action taken over Durham that refutes the argument that the ECB somehow did the dirty on the plucky little county and its brave players "...over the last four years the club had continued to go backwards financially and, two, the people who owned the club, which was two people in Hong Kong and Singapore, had put no more of their own cash into that business when it was failing..... The bank after Brexit virtually demanded their money back which was £900,000 within 30 days. Durham were in no position to pay that so the creditors – Durham council, the local enterprise partnership, us and the bank – put a plan together. We then put an offer to Durham in September, a week before the end of the season and it was up to them whether they accepted that plan or not.." He is typically blunt about the new tournament and the need for it: "The new competition will be introduced to attract women, kids and new people to the game based around cricket and entertainment. It will not be based around drinking beer on a Friday night.....If we do not do it the game will be poorer with less cash coming into the game. You would end up in a situation where the game would be constantly looking for new investment. We would always be looking at short cuts" That short-termism has bedevilled the game for most of my cricket-watching life, the kind of thing where a rule change is introdiuced as a gimmick every two or three years after a series of ponderous committee meetings, hailed as a panacea, and then dropped within a year or two as it either introduces some unforeseen and unwelkcome consequence, or simply fails to make the slightest difference. Simply rebranding the existing T20 or shifting the timing doesn't change the fact that it does not and cannot produce the money needed by the majority of clubs. Sussex in particular need the confidence of a secure line of cash coming in to satisfy their ambitions to develop as a community organisation. The ground simply isn't big enough to house the volumes of spectators needed to ensure that money, and there is not the slightest possibility that first class county cricket can ever be sustained on gate money or membership revenues. It isn't necessary to like Graves to appreciate the ambitious, yet structured approach he takes to the future of the game. No doubt he does conform to the stereotype of a certain kind of big-mouthed Northern businessman and I'm sure that doesn't ingratiate him to some of the more patrician types on the county circuit. And yet he undoubtedly has a vision and one that is supported by painstaking research and detailed planning.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 17, 2016 13:31:43 GMT
Right now, cricket requires entrepreneurial visionaries and Colin Graves has this quality. His supermarket chain 'Costcutter' and its success in a cut-throat dog eat dog food retailer business where the company had to take on the might and compete with major chains like Tescos, Sainsbury's, Morrisons and the like augurs well for the CBT. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costcutter
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Post by band on Nov 17, 2016 16:33:42 GMT
Although not my cup of tea with the money generated is a no brainer. My one objection very little mention is made of County cricket. Hope some of new money is put into marketing county game. Support is so dire surely with a big push it wouldnt take much to increase crowds from dire level they are at. Tell schools kids can get in for free after school and tell them players will be available to sign autographs. Sell tickets for £5 for some game etc etc.
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Post by philh on Nov 18, 2016 15:08:54 GMT
Although not my cup of tea with the money generated is a no brainer. My one objection very little mention is made of County cricket. Hope some of new money is put into marketing county game. Support is so dire surely with a big push it wouldnt take much to increase crowds from dire level they are at. Tell schools kids can get in for free after school and tell them players will be available to sign autographs. Sell tickets for £5 for some game etc etc. You touch on a good point. The players seem accessible for T20 but not County games. Why not? I accept that firing a ball in the air for someone to drop and fireworks don't work in a 4 day game but why the extremes?
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 28, 2016 8:17:54 GMT
Some counter propositions made here ( www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/1068294.html?CMP=chrome) by George Dobell in cricinfo, under the guise of an article ostensibly about the demand for T20 tickets for Surrey v Middlesex matches, which quickly turns into a PR piece for Richard Gould, the Surrey CEO in favour of the T20 matches which have made his hospitality enterprise so very rich and against a reshaping and redistribution of revenues away from the oligarchs. As one of the online commenters writes, it is a rather extreme example on which to build a case. The accompanying research, also commissioned by the South London Catering Company, dates from the end of August, and was obviously part of the propaganda war before the 16 September meeting of the ECB and counties. It doesn't look to me like a wholly unbiased piece of research since it also leaps from the inclusion in statistical surveys of an interest in 4 day Test matches being higher than that in city-based leagues (although it doesn't say how the question was phrased) straight into an emboldened underlined recommendation "The ECB might be better off pushing for reform of the international Test Match calendar with the ICC and reforming the county game". Still, judge for yourselves, links contained within the original article.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 8:54:35 GMT
I believe Mr May attended a meeting of the 18 county chairmen yesterday (it may have been fewer than 18 if Durham's new chairman is still in India).
The consensus was that the city tournament will go ahead.
Formal vote expected in March, when it will require two-thirds of the votes of the ECB's members, according to the Times this morning.
If true this is strange because it effectively hands the decision to the chairmen of the non f/c counties, who outnumber the f/c counties by 21 to 18.
Messrs May, Andrew and Filby had better start lobbying Suffolk and Berkshire etc if they are still set on trying to stop the new tournament!
Mind you, the Times story isn't entirely credible. First it reckons the ECB has 39 members but the ECB website says there are 41. The Times also reckons Surrey might not allow The Oval to be used and the ECB might move the games to Beckenham.
Perhaps it is just an attempt to buy off the opposition of Kent. But it is not going to happen.
Beckenham is barely fit for T20 Blast let alone hosting 20,000 and even if Surrey take their bat, ball and ground away, there's the Olympic Stadium. it seems Lizzy Ammon has taken another flier!
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