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Post by hhsussex on Feb 20, 2017 8:27:50 GMT
Well that was good fun reading through such verbage. Yuk! Just like the word verbiage there are two equally appropriate readings, either long-winded or a particular mode of expression. Personally I have enjoyed reading the debate and the spirited way in which both sides have defended their positions and expressed their views. A failure to do so would make this, or any other forum, obsolete and we might as well reduce ourselves to hurling Tweets around: ECB! Hopeless! Failing! English counties bad! Out of touch! I'm very glad that we don't and I'd like to thank all those contributing, not least the recent Kent contingent, for articulating their points of view, however rhetorically, without abuse - even if both borderman and gmdf have sometimes sounded as ifin desperate need of a large one to withstand the latest post and respond in kind.  |
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Post by gmdf on Feb 20, 2017 9:15:03 GMT
The figures you throw about sound wonderful, but I've always believed 'if something sounds too good to be true, then it is too good to be true'. ffs - they're not my figures. The ECB had guarantered every county £1.3 million per annum each year for the first five years. That's a fact and is ''cast in stone''. When you said you were going to try to "ameliorate" the plan, I took that to mean you thought the counties should demand more money. I didn't realise you weren't even aware of the financial guarantees the counties have been given. All you do is peddle bizarre conspiracy theories in your own version of project fear. The ECB is not fit for purpose, Kent and Sussex will be relegated to something akin to minor county status ... what on earth are you on? As for "don't expect me not to be saying 'I told you so', though no doubt you'll be spouting more ECB warranted platitudes to prove that 'the game has never been stronger'" - you've already likened me to Donald Trump and now you're putting words in my mouth in some fictitious circumstance that is never going to happen outside of your own warped imagination? Happy to debate this with anybody with a sensible case and reasoned arguments - and, above all, a responsible alternative financial plan to save "the game we all love". But as you fail on all three counts, it looks like we won't be debating it with you... ps: your version of how the BBC lost Test cricket is also utter fiction. They had already lost Forumla One to ITV and when it came to cricket couldn't even match the money C4 put up....and it was Tony Blair's Labour Governnment who removed Test cricket from the list of 'crown jewels' sporting events that had to have terrestial TV coverage.
I was not going to reply to this because (as others have said) we'll all have to wait and see what happens anyway. But I really can't leave the paragraph I have highlighted above pass without comment. I enjoy a robust discussion and debate as much as the next person - I like to think we all have cricket's future at the centre of our thoughts. I can even put up with some of the name calling that some posters seem to need to have recourse to. But I won't have comments that I never made attributed to me. So let's get it absolutely clear - I never mentioned the BBC. Not once. I support live cricket being made available on 'free to view' TV but I have not specified which channel this should be - the BBC, C4, C5, ITV2, More 4, somewhere else? Don't care. And, yes it was the Labour Culture secretary (Chris Smith, I think) who took Test matches from the 'Crown Jewels' - under pressure from the ECB so they could get their deal with Sky. It was all about money and effectively sold cricket's standing in the public eye, with results we can all see today (if we but look). I will now go and find something more productive to spend my time on and leave you to debate with yourself, as clearly that is how you prefer it... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 10:08:38 GMT
Well that was good fun reading through such verbage. Yuk! Just like the word verbiage there are two equally appropriate readings, either long-winded or a particular mode of expression. Personally I have enjoyed reading the debate and the spirited way in which both sides have defended their positions and expressed their views. A failure to do so would make this, or any other forum, obsolete and we might as well reduce ourselves to hurling Tweets around: ECB! Hopeless! Failing! English counties bad! Out of touch! I'm very glad that we don't and I'd like to thank all those contributing, not least the recent Kent contingent, for articulating their points of view, however rhetorically, without abuse - even if both borderman and gmdf have sometimes sounded as ifin desperate need of a large one to withstand the latest post and respond in kind. If you look back to the thread welcoming the Kent refugees, on Dec 21 I warned as follows: "t he debate on the city-based tournament will certainly hot up because many of us on here are highly supportive of the ECB's plans, while from my occasional visits to We Are Kent, the majority of their most vocal contributors seem to regard the ECB as an evil pact between Stalin and Mao and the new T20 tournament as an abominable crime against humanity."The only surprise is that the feather-spitting gmdf managed to hold back his vituperative hatred of the ECB and all her sail in her until now. There's passion - and there's zealotry. When the former topples over into the latter, it leads to people blatantly inventing 'alternative facts' to fit their agenda - (for example the tissue of lies, half-truths and distortions peddled above about BBC/C4/Sky TV rights . Test cricket actually lost crown jewels status in 1998. When it was reviewed a decade later under Cameron's government, it was found that no terrestial broadcaster was interested. Why? Because the Govt review reported that by 2009 the deal with Sky had "so far grossed nearly £500 million for the ECB" and no terrestial broadcaster was able to bid anywhere near that much money. The money Sky have put in must now top £100 million and has kept English cricket solvent - so thanks Sky). As for gmdf's " I can even put up with some of the name calling that some posters seem to need to have recourse to. But I won't have comments that I never made attributed to me" - you have to laugh at the utter lack of self-awarness from someone who yesterday called me Donald Trump and then last night put words in my mouth, telling me what I was going to say in some fictious scenario of his own invention ten years hence when he reckons he's going to say "told you so" as his Nostradamus predictions of Kent and Sussex being reduced to minor county status come to pass. What an utterly shameless hypocrite. But that's what zealotry and hatred do to you. Peace and love x |
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Post by tigertiger on Feb 20, 2017 10:29:31 GMT
Except he didn't call you Donald Trump ... he claimed that you ignored his evidence which is something that Donald Trump has also done. No comment was made about Donald's other "attributes".
Also he didn't claim that Kent and Sussex would be minor counties .. only that their existence would be akin to minor county status i.e. by then there would also be a higher level 4 day competition .. so Kent/sussex would be playing the lower standard competition in both T20 and 4 day cricket etc
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Post by howardh on Feb 20, 2017 10:30:03 GMT
Firstly, many apologies for mistyping "verbiage".
I was actually thinking of the old French verbier meaning to chatter.
My "yuk" was added for effect...... and has nothing whatsoever to do with a wild or domesticated animal from Tibet wearing blinkers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 10:40:22 GMT
Also he didn't claim that Kent and Sussex would be minor counties .. only that their existence would be akin to minor county status i.e. by then t here would also be a higher level 4 day competition .. There already is and it's why Strauss and Team England are reported to have concluded that future recruitment to the Test squad will have to come from batsmen who have proved they can score consistently in Division One ! And "Trump-like"? |
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Post by tigertiger on Feb 20, 2017 11:06:21 GMT
Also he didn't claim that Kent and Sussex would be minor counties .. only that their existence would be akin to minor county status i.e. by then t here would also be a higher level 4 day competition .. There already is and it's why Strauss and Team England are reported to have concluded that future recruitment to the Test squad will have to come from batsmen who have proved they can score consistently in Division One ! And "Trump-like"? Except now .. Kent and Sussex have a chance of being in the top flight. |
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Post by band on Feb 20, 2017 12:48:12 GMT
This is a very odd message board dominated by very few. OK if your 1) 100% behind proposed 20/20 2) Chris Adams should be given any job at Sussex and think certain journalist are rubish
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 13:08:17 GMT
Worth remembering , by the way, that the hated, despised, useless, unfit-for-purpose ECB invented a brand new form of the game in 2003 that is now earning billions of pounds around the world and taking cricket to brand new audiences. Just shows what a bunch of numpties the ECB are. They've been on a mission for years to destroy cricket but they are so inept that instead they came up with something that has not only saved the game but has grown and expanded it around the world like never before !  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 13:12:53 GMT
OK if your 1) 100% behind proposed 20/20 2) Chris Adams should be given any job at Sussex and 3) think certain journalist are rubish 1) 110 % in pro-sports speak, please. 2) Deckchair attendant. 3) E.W. Swanton (although his grammar, syntax and spelling was betterer than yours ). |
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Post by tigertiger on Feb 20, 2017 13:59:42 GMT
Worth remembering , by the way, that the hated, despised, useless, unfit-for-purpose ECB invented a brand new form of the game in 2003 that is now earning billions of pounds around the world and taking cricket to brand new audiences. Just shows what a bunch of numpties the ECB are. They've been on a mission for years to destroy cricket but they are so inept that instead they came up with something that has not only saved the game but has grown and expanded it around the world like never before ! Invented? Many of us were playing mid-week evening league 20 over matches for years before that. Think they only decided to try that format at a pro level. |
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Post by band on Feb 20, 2017 14:20:27 GMT
Sorry 4) Spelling and grammar has to be correct
Dont understand why the half dozen of you dont just meet down the pub
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Post by moderator1 on Feb 20, 2017 14:24:12 GMT
This is a very odd message board dominated by very few. OK if your 1) 100% behind proposed 20/20 2) Chris Adams should be given any job at Sussex and think certain journalist are rubish Not so band. Some are prepared to argue their case for or against a non-county format for T20; some think Adams a saviour, others think he is a fish out of water, with tail flailing and impeding progress in any direction; and some journalists perhaps write a little too much and are a little too trigger-happy to scintillate and to be accurate consistently. This forum is dedicated to hosting ALL views that are sincerely held and expressed with some degree of logic and awareness of how they will be read. Those who cannot accept those rules, without exception, will find the place a little less welcoming. On edit: Having now seen your last post I am sorry that you no longer wish to contribute to this forum and hope that you will find somewhere more congenial. Cheerio. |
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Post by A.S. on Feb 27, 2017 17:40:58 GMT
The Times (E Ammon) reports today that the ECB are proposing to cut the number of home t20 Blast matches in 2020 onwards from seven to five. With the current four home RLC matches that makes nine one day home games. If Sussex and Kent play one of them on an outground, and one CC match too, with the remaining 6 home CC matches running full length, that is 32 possible days of county cricket at each county HQ. Looking at average attendances at St Lawrence in 2015, that means very roughly 50,000 spectators will watch cricket there in a season. I suspect the figures will be similar at Hove. In that event, can the maintenance etc cost for either ground possibly be justified, even if substantially paid by the ECB? |
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Post by tigertiger on Feb 27, 2017 20:23:09 GMT
Presumably we need to adjust the promised new income by the loss of income from less matches etc
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