Bazpan
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Post by Bazpan on Jan 10, 2019 12:45:29 GMT
Bazpan, Thank you for the link, but I don't subscribe to The Times and therefore can't penetrate the paywall. Is there any chance of an article copy and paste? Does it say how the £200m sum was 'actually' calculated or is this more speculation? |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 10, 2019 18:58:56 GMT
Bazpan,
People have posted on this Forum complete articles from The Times before without penalty or death, but I do understand your
concern. Yes, I will register for free. I have been meaning to do this for ages.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 12, 2019 15:04:26 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 14, 2019 22:12:38 GMT
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Post by burgesshill on Jan 15, 2019 6:37:06 GMT
Also included in that article- 87% of fans opposed to new 100. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 15, 2019 9:56:30 GMT
Bh,
To put that figure in context: An online poll of more than 2,000 readers of The Cricketer last week found 87 per cent to be opposed
to the tournament.
You would expect that percentage coming from The Cricketer Magazine readers as they represent the diehards of the sport. It would
be interesting to find out how many opposed the T20 tournament back in 2002/03. I'd imagine the percentage might have been
similar. Yet, the T20 format went on to become the most successful around the world and the income derived has kept both Test matches
and the County Championship alive.
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Post by sillymidforties on Jan 15, 2019 14:10:17 GMT
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Bazpan
2nd XI player
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County club member: Kent
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Post by Bazpan on Jan 15, 2019 17:15:12 GMT
Bh, To put that figure in context: An online poll of more than 2,000 readers of The Cricketer last week found 87 per cent to be opposed to the tournament.You would expect that percentage coming from The Cricketer Magazine readers as they represent the diehards of the sport. It would be interesting to find out how many opposed the T20 tournament back in 2002/03. I'd imagine the percentage might have been similar. Yet, the T20 format went on to become the most successful around the world and the income derived has kept both Test matches and the County Championship alive.
Speculating about the past is even worse than speculating about the future! (Particularly if you're going to base an argument on it).
Specific market research data from 2002 isn't easy to find, but anecdotal references seem to indicate that respondents liked the idea of Twenty20 on the whole. It sounds as though the ECB survey canvassed both existing and potential cricket fans. In a 2007 Guardian article on the eve of the first World T20 Cup final, Lord MacLaurin was quoted as saying "Many were unhappy at losing the old Benson & Hedges competition. But research told us what form the public would like to see".
In 2015 Cricinfo did a timeline of T20 from its inception to the present day, starting with this entry for April 2002: "Responding to dwindling gates at county matches, the ECB conducted extensive market research into whether a shorter form of the game would attract a new audience. The results of numerous focus groups were overwhelmingly positive".
Admittedly these summaries don't isolate the views of Cricketer-reading diehards. However, I think they show that the ECB had good reason to believe they'd been given a mandate to proceed with T20 - this being after they'd canvassed extensively among the existing and potential new audiences for cricket. That just doesn't seem to be the case this time round. And if it is, then the ECB are being extremely coy about the market research they've conducted.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 16, 2019 18:00:05 GMT
Bazpan, "... anecdotal references seem to indicate that respondents liked the idea of Twenty20 on the whole."This excellent article from Cricinfo in 2012 suggests a quite different view. Well worth a full read. www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/579245.html...The competition was approved by the ECB in April 2002 but it had been a close-run thing whether the counties would back it. "From the feeling there, we weren't going to win the votes," said Lord MacLaurin, the ECB chairman. "I had a list of chairmen and called them the night before. I said, 'All I ask is that you give it a chance. After three years we'll have a review. If it's not successful we'll pull the plug'."
"[We] knew it was going to be close," confirmed John Read, the ECB director of communications. "We'd done the numbers. The ECB executive had lobbied strongly but there was institutionalised resistance. The vote was pivotal. And we knew it was going to be bloody close. So, as we drove back to Lord's, we asked Lord MacLaurin to do something he'd never done before and get on the phone to the five or six county chairmen we thought might be swayed and flatter the f*** out of them. With no hesitation he began calling. Without that, I fear Twenty20 might've been lost for some years, if not for ever. It was a seminal moment in cricket history."
In the end the vote was 11 to 7. The counties who voted against were Middlesex, Sussex, Yorkshire, Warwickshire, Somerset, Glamorgan and Northamptonshire. It was unveiled in November although trial matches had taken place earlier in the year... Lord MacLaurin stepped down as ECB Chairman at the end of 2002. Perhaps, the stresses and strains of pushing through the T20 competition was a factor in this decision. Also, here is a post I wrote on this same thread about the subject back in October 2016. unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/post/21551/thread |
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Bazpan
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County club member: Kent
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Post by Bazpan on Jan 16, 2019 22:20:42 GMT
Bazpan, "... anecdotal references seem to indicate that respondents liked the idea of Twenty20 on the whole."This excellent article from Cricinfo in 2012 suggests a quite different view. Well worth a full read. www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/579245.html...The competition was approved by the ECB in April 2002 but it had been a close-run thing whether the counties would back it. "From the feeling there, we weren't going to win the votes," said Lord MacLaurin, the ECB chairman. "I had a list of chairmen and called them the night before. I said, 'All I ask is that you give it a chance. After three years we'll have a review. If it's not successful we'll pull the plug'."
"[We] knew it was going to be close," confirmed John Read, the ECB director of communications. "We'd done the numbers. The ECB executive had lobbied strongly but there was institutionalised resistance. The vote was pivotal. And we knew it was going to be bloody close. So, as we drove back to Lord's, we asked Lord MacLaurin to do something he'd never done before and get on the phone to the five or six county chairmen we thought might be swayed and flatter the f*** out of them. With no hesitation he began calling. Without that, I fear Twenty20 might've been lost for some years, if not for ever. It was a seminal moment in cricket history."
In the end the vote was 11 to 7. The counties who voted against were Middlesex, Sussex, Yorkshire, Warwickshire, Somerset, Glamorgan and Northamptonshire. It was unveiled in November although trial matches had taken place earlier in the year... Lord MacLaurin stepped down as ECB Chairman at the end of 2002. Perhaps, the stresses and strains of pushing through the T20 competition was a factor in this decision. Also, here is a post I wrote on this same thread about the subject back in October 2016. unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/post/21551/thread
Yes I saw that Cricinfo article and was initially going to quote from it in my previous post. I hadn't set out to make the case that most people were pro-T20 in 2002. I just wanted to get at something like the truth one way or the other, rather than relying on your guesswork. But then I thought hang on a mo: the county vote and the events leading up to it might make for a good film, but they're not really relevant to this discussion. We're talking about what cricket fans wanted (in the context of the recent Cricketer poll about the Hundred), not what county chairmen wanted. Those aren't always going to be the same thing of course. (There's probably very little that both I and the Kent chairman want. The occasional decent racing tip perhaps).
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jan 17, 2019 11:22:08 GMT
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Bazpan
2nd XI player
Posts: 191
County club member: Kent
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Post by Bazpan on Jan 22, 2019 17:32:45 GMT
Did you know that 'storytelling' is now a management concept? I did, but only because I like to keep up with the latest developments in corporate drivel, for my vexation and amusement. Anyway your storytelling skills will need to be top-notch if you fancy the 'Communications Manager - County Cricket' gig at the ECB.
www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/1071418339/
It's "a wide-ranging role for a talented communications specialist with excellent story-telling skills". (Why do I find myself mentally adding the prefix 'fairy' whenever I see storytelling used in this way?) You'll be "looking to continually identify and tell stories which support the game’s strategic objectives", etc.
It sounds like some kind of Utopia at the ECB. "We allow for individual strengths and beliefs but head in the same direction. We respect, support and really listen to each other along the way ... We are bold, brave and curious. We challenge and don’t settle. We forge the future whilst remembering our roots ... We are here to inspire & be inspired. We are serious about what we do, but don’t take ourselves seriously. We enjoy the journey and have fun."
Forging the future whilst remembering our roots, eh? I'd like to see some examples of ECB staff doing that, just to allay my suspicion that it might not actually mean anything.
"You enjoy building relationships with a wide range of stakeholders". Who doesn't?!
"planning and delivery of a strong programme of earned media". No more ECB advertorials. From now on they're going to deserve their coverage.
"Preparing authentic first-person pieces for key ECB executives". Wouldn't these first-person pieces be even more authentic if the key ECB executives prepared them themselves?
There's more in this style if it's your kind of thing. By the way, the salary is described as 'competitive' - an evasion I find useful when people ask me at parties how much I earn ("£competitive", I tell them).
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Post by flashblade on Jan 22, 2019 17:54:46 GMT
Did you know that 'storytelling' is now a management concept? I did, but only because I like to keep up with the latest developments in corporate drivel, for my vexation and amusement. Anyway your storytelling skills will need to be top-notch if you fancy the 'Communications Manager - County Cricket' gig at the ECB.
www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/1071418339/
It's "a wide-ranging role for a talented communications specialist with excellent story-telling skills". (Why do I find myself mentally adding the prefix 'fairy' whenever I see storytelling used in this way?) You'll be "looking to continually identify and tell stories which support the game’s strategic objectives", etc.
It sounds like some kind of Utopia at the ECB. "We allow for individual strengths and beliefs but head in the same direction. We respect, support and really listen to each other along the way ... We are bold, brave and curious. We challenge and don’t settle. We forge the future whilst remembering our roots ... We are here to inspire & be inspired. We are serious about what we do, but don’t take ourselves seriously. We enjoy the journey and have fun."
Forging the future whilst remembering our roots, eh? I'd like to see some examples of ECB staff doing that, just to allay my suspicion that it might not actually mean anything.
"You enjoy building relationships with a wide range of stakeholders". Who doesn't?!
"planning and delivery of a strong programme of earned media". No more ECB advertorials. From now on they're going to deserve their coverage.
"Preparing authentic first-person pieces for key ECB executives". Wouldn't these first-person pieces be even more authentic if the key ECB executives prepared them themselves?
There's more in this style if it's your kind of thing. By the way, the salary is described as 'competitive' - an evasion I find useful when people ask me at parties how much I earn ("£competitive", I tell them).
 What a load of b****cks! They really are priceless, aren't they? |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Feb 20, 2019 10:58:59 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Feb 21, 2019 18:09:22 GMT
WE'RE OFF AND RUNNING. THE '100' IS OFFICIAL! Or as Alan Stanley tweets: "I’m gonna call it the 16.4 over competition as I think
it has much more of a ring.." 😉
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