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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 1, 2019 12:23:48 GMT
The batting nightmare deepens. The top 5 batsmen score 21 runs between them. Northants are bottom of Division 2. The 18th least competent County Club and yet at lunch we stand at 83-7. Utterly shameful and pitiful. Michael Yardy must be made accountable for this disastrous collapse of confidence and ability. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO44893 |
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Post by joe on Jul 1, 2019 13:22:25 GMT
106 all out,
This is a different level of low.
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Post by grandavefan on Jul 1, 2019 13:33:05 GMT
Wicked Cricket you truly are a journo of today, reactionary and over the years I have found you to be a stirrer of things on this MB.
I'm guessing you didn't play much? If you had you would appreciate that the wicket is important and home advantage should be home advantage? If you did you would have looked at the wicket yesterday or today?
What did you notice? A lot of grass?
What do Northants have? Lots of seamers? No spinners!
Sussex, a few but some reasonable spin bowlers.
Make the wicket bare.
I defy Mushy to turn it on that lawn!
Sussex are struggling a bit with injuries/illness at the moment. They don't have the squad of others, resources are not endless.
Plenty of time to turn it round.
I get annoyed with the fair weather supporters. Supporting a team is through thick & thin.
If you want to be a critic WC, I respectfully suggest you write for a publication and not vent your negative views on here.
Support Sussex.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 1, 2019 14:27:19 GMT
grandavefan.
Sussex are struggling a bit with injuries/illness at the moment. They don't have the squad of others, resources are not endless.
Plenty of time to turn it round.
Your posts can be truly pompous at times. Please, put your head in the sand, pretend nothing is wrong, and that the Hove fairy
will wave her magic wand, and hey presto, Sussex will win Division 2 this season and get promotion.
How often did posters say on this Forum over the winter, how important it was for Sussex to sign at least one top order batsman
to help out those youngsters who may struggle, while offering strength and cohesion? Was anything done? Were there any
signings? One fat NO!
A decision was made that all emphasis should be placed on the youngsters and the Academy. That future success, like Surrey, would
emerge from here. Noble, fantastic... No need then to sign outside players, because the youngsters would bring us success,
Success supporters have been craving for since 2011. Here we are 8 years on and please tell me what has changed? Oh yes,
we were relegated to Division 2 and on recent performances, the Club will remain in Division 2 for another eight years.
Therefore, all attention must be on the Academy and general coaching staff, in particular, the batting. They are the ones responsible
for bringing through the youngsters. They are the ones the Club are pinning their hopes on for future success.
All Cricket Counties experience injuries, that's part of the course, so please don't use this lame excuse. As for the Club's small squad,
the County has no debt, money in the bank and with £1.3m coming into the coffers each year for the next 5 years, Sussex could go out
and borrow £1m tomorrow. In fact, banks would probably be throwing themselves at the Club to offer the lowest interest rate.
So, please, don't keep using that old 'money' excuse either.
To repeat, a decision was made at the Club that future success would emanate from the Academy and the youngsters. If this decision
has presently gone pear-shaped, that the Sussex top order batsmen are now the laughing stock of county cricket, one has every right
to criticise. In hindsight, it was a foolish and needless gamble, like the poker player who goes 'all in' on Jack high.
Of course, Sussex may turn things around, but here we are, playing the two lowliest Clubs in the two divisions, at home, and our top
order are making fools of themselves. As a life-time supporter, certainly, I will not put my head in the sand and pretend everything
is rosy like yourself. I feel embarrassed as do other supporters.
PS: I played a lot of cricket when I was younger. I was an opening fast bowler. John Snow was my childhood hero alongside Ted Dexter.
PPS: Northants have raced to 132-1 (30 overs) 204-3 (50 overs) in second innings or 371 runs ahead. Sums up Sussex's present humiliation.
Will there be a fourth day? Unlikely.
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Post by philh on Jul 1, 2019 15:42:48 GMT
You’d need to be a glass nineteen-twentieths full type person to think we might come back in this game. Drop the bottom five for not adding 300, I say.
Note to self: remember to take tongue out of cheek
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 1, 2019 17:27:56 GMT
Pathetic, but that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Andrew is happy to turn us into one of the most financially stable clubs in the country, after turning us into one of the poorest on the pitch. The point? I have no idea. Rather be skint and good than rich and rubbish.
If we're looking at home for success maybe we shouldn't have released Hudson-Prentice after two games. He's been given a chance at Derby and scored 99 batting in the top three. Brought up by us since the age of ten or so, given two games or so at 19/20, then discarded. Absolutely horrendous behaviour by Sussex. Good luck to the lad, hope he shove's it in Sussex's face. Player pathway indeed.
Even the 'quality' coach can't do anything with this.
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Post by flashblade on Jul 1, 2019 18:25:16 GMT
I'd like to hear Keith Greenfield's explanation for the dearth of young Sussex cricketers available for 2nd division cricket. Have some of them fallen off the "Pathway"? I don't follow the 2nd XI closely - have we even produced a decent reserve side? Dizzy has not glossed over today's rank performance - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTe4BGHy-sM#action=share |
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 1, 2019 20:38:33 GMT
I'd like to hear Keith Greenfield's explanation for the dearth of young Sussex cricketers available for 2nd division cricket. Have some of them fallen off the "Pathway"? I don't follow the 2nd XI closely - have we even produced a decent reserve side? Dizzy has not glossed over today's rank performance - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTe4BGHy-sM#action=sharePerhaps the forerunner of a resignation speech. He seemed beyond words and maybe there is now a loss of contact between players and performance managers. Why is this? What has happened in the last 7 years or so? First the Robinson regime ran out of steam as the Moores/Adams players retired and weren't replaced. Then the false dawn of Davies and Wright, and the opportunistic signings of overseas stars who didn't really deliver, or even show up - remember Mr Fizz?
Now we are well into what should be the golden era of a well-respected Executive - Andrew - and a stellar coach - Gillespie - and the mud rises higher and higher around our waists. We need to do some serious questioning about what makes a county side work, in a variety of formats, and howw it has to operate. Maybe it is the reliance on a rather homespun strategy enacted by a performance director who has difficulty in projecting his own beliefs, and perhaps it has something to do with over-zealous financial management reacting to the misdeeds of 20+ years ago. And perhaps it's also because Sussex CCC has rather lost touch with what it wants to be in this age; neither a standard-bearer for the traditional championship and its dwindling band of ageing afficionados, nor yet an exemplar of varied forms of specialism, all enacted with the showman's touch and united by self-belief. I don't think any of us can cure the sickness unless we can thoroughly identify the illness. All we do know is that the patient is very sick indeed, and that isn't something that the thick-and-thin variety of support is going to help.
Lots of questions need to be asked and answered with honesty and rigour. In the meantime fewer of us are inclined to watch, and despite a resurgence in playing interest by some - but not all -clubs, it is getting harder to give young players and watchers a reason to get involved in the wider sphere of county cricket.
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Post by joe on Jul 1, 2019 21:25:58 GMT
I'd like to hear Keith Greenfield's explanation for the dearth of young Sussex cricketers available for 2nd division cricket. Have some of them fallen off the "Pathway"? I don't follow the 2nd XI closely - have we even produced a decent reserve side? Dizzy has not glossed over today's rank performance - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTe4BGHy-sM#action=shareWe do have a decent reserve side, unfortunately they are all playing in the 1st XI. |
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Post by jonboy on Jul 1, 2019 23:32:41 GMT
Another bad day at the office, becoming all too familiar of late Boo Dizzy out
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Post by kevininnessupersub on Jul 2, 2019 6:22:54 GMT
It was a pathetic performance to watch.
It is difficult to know where the team goes from here, except downwards.
Be interesting to see what team they field against Australia ‘A’ next week.
Understand this was their lowest 1st class score since 2007.
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Post by chrischammond on Jul 2, 2019 8:37:09 GMT
If it’s any consolation, I went to Lord’s for the opening day of the Middx match, and the rumblings of the members there were similar. They have a very decent side - on paper - which is underperforming badly. They have money. It’s more than just money. It’s leadership. If you’d asked me 3 years ago if I thought Rob Andrew in charge of the club together with Dizzy Gillespie in charge of the team would work, I’d have been ‘over the moon, Barry’. I was. If you like to call me a moaner - go ahead. I tend to post here when things are going wrong. I think when things are going right you just turn up and clap the team. Somebody suggested blindly supporting the team when things are going wrong is the thing to do. I disagree. Nothing will improve if you do that, and doing nothing and expecting a different result is madness personified. My moaning last season (and this) about Ben Brown must continue. He is a decent bloke and a decent player but his burden was and is too much for one man. ESPECIALLY when things are going wrong. Luke Wright resigned for less. If there is an obvious alternative for captain, I fail to see it. We lost the chance early in the season to do something about this when Michael Burgess was let go. Bad move. Bad move in a series of bad moves, player-wise. Backroom direction and leadership is the foundation of the club and player ethic. There seems to be little or none. If just hard graft ever cured anything Mike Yardy would have had the club at the top of the 1st Division by now, and if laid-back, loose hand on the tiller, let natural talent shine through won the day, Dizzy wouldn’t be scratching around for excuses right now. It needs somebody to take the playing side of the club by the scruff of the neck and shake it vigorously. If not the likes of Adams - not everybody’s cup of gruel - then who? Imran Khan appears to have a day job at the moment. They both did have the kind of charisma sadly lacking in an accountant run club. You get Ben Brown leadership in an accountant run club. One man doing three jobs. Brilliant. And God knows what’s going on in the bits of the club hierarchy we don’t see.
The rotting fruit needs to be on the ground and what financial goodness is around directed at what’s left. They club better find a bit more of that largess from somewhere otherwise it’s whole raison d’etre is shot and the property developers will move in. County Ground, Uckfield, anybody? It’s THAT serious folks. And the T20 won’t save us. You can’t run a County Cricket Club around a beer drinkers night out in the cold. And God knows what the Hundred is for. Not SCCC, that’s for sure.
In conclusion .... I don’t have one. If the T20, Battle of the Bulge, fails as the first one did, expect a lot of dead bodies and a lot of empty blue-and-white seats.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 2, 2019 10:38:02 GMT
T20 will be the saviour of Sussex this season. I am really impressed by the signing of Alex Carey and alongside Rashid Khan and
Wright as Captain, we have another excellent chance of reaching Finals Day. Gillespie also understands T20 - it is his strongest suit
- even though his BBL mojo was dented this year when his team ended up second from bottom.
My only conclusion about the recent Championship fiasco is that the team's extreme inconsistencies - inconsistencies which play
out like a scratched record every season - are coming from a rotten core, first formed after the mighty golden decade team began
to disband. This may be attributed to a mental attitude at the Club which has been discussed at length on this Forum. Too many
'jobs for the boys' which, while subsiding, has allowed this energy to persist.
When Rob Andrew arrived at the Club, his energy, past successes and experience of rugby, may not have harmonised with the Club.
The same may go for Gillespie. If you decide to go all in and take a gamble on the Academy to bring you success, you need first, to
track its history, understand the people behind it, above all make a judgment on where it lies and the energy that drives it.
Changing a mental attitude, an energy of a county club, is like stopping an oil tanker. It takes time. A primary reason why Sussex
enjoyed its 10 years of success was because through the efforts of Tony Pigott, Chris Adams and others, they were able to throw away
the old energy in one fell swoop and start again from scratch. The problem with a former old energy is, it can stubbornly persist and may
hang around discreetly in the background. So, when the successful new one withers, the old is ready to pounce and dominate once more.
Sorry if this sounds more like suggestions based on quantum physics.
My concern being, will Andrew desire to stay long enough to achieve changing the Club's persistent old mental template or will he
and Gillespie disappear off to easier climes, to an energy that more suits, when their contracts end?
I am an optimist, so may be, this recent Club collapse is the old energy template in its final throes of defiance before the Andrew and
Gillespie influence takes over and comes to the fore? I very much hope so.
PS: Robinson close to gaining yet another fifer. If Sussex don't make it to Division 1 soon, the ambitious Ollie won't hang around.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 2, 2019 12:10:22 GMT
Salt out for 0 after facing 9 balls. You can't make this stuff up.
Sussex 3-1.
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 2, 2019 12:48:01 GMT
Do you not think Andrew, or his spec at least, is the problem S&F? You may be right about our T20 side, we can expect good things but it has no longevity with the new T20 set-up coming in. Andrew has completely disregarded 4 day cricket as far as I can see. The squad has been absolutely ravaged and he hasn't even attempted to replace quality players with academy lads, let alone with much needed experience. He's brought in three loan players and a permanent signing, but not until after the season has started when he realised what a mess we were in. Probably just because Gillespie was banging on his door. It was there to see last October, as was the need for an OS batsman, not bowler. You keep saying they expect success from the academy - I don't think they do.
I'm obviously well up for youth promotion but Nash, Wright, Joyce - big holes to fill. Too big. You need young batters to play alongside those three not instead of them, even I know that.
H-P's gone and got a wicket with his first ball too. I think I remember the start of his bowling career for Sussex. It was also the end - 3 overs, no wickets for 18 runs. I think he was hooked and didn't bowl again in the match, if ever again. Horrendous treatment. And from a club that's supposed to be turning to its academy.
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