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Post by freddy838 on Aug 30, 2014 12:18:59 GMT
I do wonder why we offered Zaidi two years. Still if we get Tredwell in then I'll be very happy, probably the best we could possibly have done.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 30, 2014 13:29:14 GMT
I do wonder why we offered Zaidi two years. Still if we get Tredwell in then I'll be very happy, probably the best we could possibly have done. Robinson thought he was being clever.
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Post by wally on Aug 30, 2014 17:51:26 GMT
I do wonder why we offered Zaidi two years. Still if we get Tredwell in then I'll be very happy, probably the best we could possibly have done. Robinson thought he was being clever. That's a clever remark...how did you know this? He also offed Jordan two years .... Sometimes you have to take a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 18:49:41 GMT
That's a clever remark...how did you know this? He also offed Jordan two years .... Sometimes you have to take a chance. Quite so. Yes, sometimes you have to take a chance. But the point is that we didn't need to take a chance with Zaidi. Nobody else wanted him. He could have been offered a one year deal and he would have grasped it gratefully with both hands. Fortunately, I don't think he's very expensive so his presence in the squad for 2015 has a failry minimal impact on the budget and does not preclude recruiting Tredwell on a top salary. As for the seamer we all agree we need to back up Magoffin, it may well be that Jordan is that man. After his calamities at Cardiff, Stokes, Woakes and now Finn all seem to have jumped above him in the England pecking order and we may well see far more of him in the Sussex dressing room in 2015 than we have done in 2014.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 30, 2014 19:32:52 GMT
Yes, sometimes you have to take a chance. But the point is that we didn't need to take a chance with Zaidi. Nobody else wanted him. He could have been offered a one year deal and he would have grasped it gratefully with both hands. Fortunately, I don't think he's very expensive so his presence in the squad for 2015 has a failry minimal impact on the budget and does not preclude recruiting Tredwell on a top salary. As for the seamer we all agree we need to back up Magoffin, it may well be that Jordan is that man. After his calamities at Cardiff, Stokes, Woakes and now Finn all seem to have jumped above him in the England pecking order and we may well see far more of him in the Sussex dressing room in 2015 than we have done in 2014. We may do, but should we? Wouldn't we feel rather proud if Jordan overcame his radar problems and developed into the big, bustling fast bowler that England has been missing since Gough? Wouldn't it be rather nice to think that Surrey couldn't give him what he needed to really develop him but Sussex could, and did? I think that more than ever we have to be realistic and accept that a really good player will have other claims than the old-fashioned county allegiance; at best it will be the lure of a central contract , at worst the globetrotting commercially-shaped mindset of a Pietersen, with all of the short-lived enthusiasm for the current brand that goes with the thrusting attitude and hunger for success. I'd obviously prefer the former, and would like to see a restoration of balance in the relationship between home county and ECB, ensuring that the player gets regular beneficial exposure to playing conditions, rather than gym work, and that the paying audience - the corporeal one, not the dream money and faked viewing stats of Sky - see the maturing development of the player they have chatted with at boundary edge, or at the end of innings and maintain what what we could, in our touchingly naive way call the spirit of cricket, the proximity between the spectator and the performer, the sense of possibility. Oh, and I think we do need someone else to support Magoffin and the occasional appearances of Jordan. I hope that Hobden will make the stride forward next season to be the regular and increasingly reliable spearhead, but I don't think that Anyon, Lewis or Hatchett in their different ways are going to give us that dependability. That means another trip to market and a hope that we rummage in the bag of possibilities and pull out by the ears something less fallible and human than Zaidi, something with a little more depth than the admirable but one-dimensional Piolet. The market is volatile these days, with lots of players seeing their career blocked and lots of administrators making short-term decisions. I think the Championship as a whole is producing the players, it's just becoming more difficult to align pegs to holes.
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Post by jonboy on Aug 30, 2014 21:49:19 GMT
The make up of our side means that we need all four bowlers to deliver. At the moment, only one, Magoffin, can be relied on to do that. Well Jordan also, when he is available. Another seamer,who can be relied on to get regular wickets is a must. With Jordan available, and Tredwell able to tie up one end, that would give us a decent championship attack.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 8:31:30 GMT
I am reliably told that the England management have informed Tredwell that they want him playing first-team cricket in all formats. I'm sure they will not have gone so far as to have actively told him to leave Kent if he can't get in their four day side. After all, he still has another year on his contract; but it's pretty clear that Moores/Downton/Whittaker et al want him at a county where he is guaranteed a game and that England are supportive of his desire to join Sussex.
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Post by flashblade on Aug 31, 2014 8:53:09 GMT
I am reliably told that the England management have informed Tredwell that they want him playing first-team cricket in all formats. I'm sure they will not have gone so far as to have actively told him to leave Kent if he can't get in their four day side. After all, he still has another year on his contract; but it's pretty clear that Moores/Downton/Whittaker et al want him at a county where he is guaranteed a game and that England are supportive of his desire to join Sussex. That's good news, BM. We look a better, stronger side when Tredwell is playing.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 31, 2014 18:17:28 GMT
Robinson thought he was being clever. That's a clever remark...how did you know this? He also offed Jordan two years .... Sometimes you have to take a chance. Jordan had previous experience in county cricket, Zaidi was a club cricketer for the previous four years.
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Post by flashblade on Aug 31, 2014 18:47:46 GMT
Peu importe. We are where we are. My main gripe is not with recruitment, it's the failure to develop - batting being the real weakness. Do we have the coaching skills to exploit talent?Good question! Every time one of us asks this question, someone replies along the lines of: "well, Les Lenham still does a bit of part time coaching . . ." If Lenham is responsible for improving the batting skills, he hasn't shown a lot of progress, IMO. If he's not responsible, then someone else should be. But then we don't believe in appointing coaches from outside the county, do we?
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Post by wally on Sept 4, 2014 20:48:31 GMT
So Tredwell is back for our last three games.....
But will he be released by Kent next season or will he stay and get a benefit?
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Post by jonboy on Sept 4, 2014 21:36:31 GMT
It's certainly good news. Does it shed any more light on the story that Tredwell wants out and wants to join Sussex. If he was at loggerheads with Kent, would they really feel inclined to let him come back out on loan? There's either no truth in it, or they are resigned to losing him anyway
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Post by wally on Sept 4, 2014 23:08:48 GMT
It's certainly good news. Does it shed any more light on the story that Tredwell wants out and wants to join Sussex. If he was at loggerheads with Kent, would they really feel inclined to let him come back out on loan? There's either no truth in it, or they are resigned to losing him anyway Well kent lost today so they have no more one day cricket this season...and England don't want him ...so it's just a question of money now.i expect that with Riley playing all forms kent may be happy to reduce their payroll.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 9:01:13 GMT
It's certainly good news. Does it shed any more light on the story that Tredwell wants out and wants to join Sussex. If he was at loggerheads with Kent, would they really feel inclined to let him come back out on loan? There's either no truth in it, or they are resigned to losing him anyway Well kent lost today so they have no more one day cricket this season...and England don't want him ...so it's just a question of money now.i expect that with Riley playing all forms kent may be happy to reduce their payroll. Tredwell will have been on loan at Sussex from June 16-September 26 and I think he will particularly enjoy the last three games as he will not have to go scuttling back to Kent to bowl a few white ball overs for them. That will fully integrate him into the Sussex set-up on a full-time basis and after spending three and a half months on loan, it's hard to envisage him returning to Kent for 2015. What would be the point as they would only loan him out again to Sussex or whoever comes up with the best deal on covering his salary costs? He's out of contract next season and it would surely be best for all concerned for him to make a clean break now.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 5, 2014 9:04:38 GMT
Let's hope that is the case
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