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Post by flashblade on Nov 7, 2021 9:29:09 GMT
I would suggest that it is far more sexually abusive to assume that a lady needs you to defend her and can’t answer on her own.
That's a rather dated and offensive expression in this day and age.
Better start dusting out that pc bible of yours. Think you should return to your original planet! The word "lady" is no more offensive than the word "gentleman" The fact that the word isn't used as often as it used to be, doesn't make it offensive. And, BTW, your sidetracking prevented you from addressing joe's point. |
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Post by mrsdoyle on Nov 7, 2021 15:31:28 GMT
I’m sorry, why is that a flippant response, why dismiss my husband not getting a job because he was white as of no import? Why the gratuitous nastiness of the response, you haven’t answered my question as to why calling the English names is Ok, no racism is ok no matter who it is from or to. I refer you back to my original answer to your post. You live in a white privileged majority, not your fault just an accident of birth, but you therefore have never felt racial abuse no matter how many times you’ve been called a whinging pom. There is no comparison and to suggest there is shows a total lack of understanding in my opinion. FWIW I was racially attacked by a black girl when I was 13, she pushed me out into the road as I cycled by saying ‘bloody whites’, luckily there was no traffic coming towards me so I wasn’t injured, or worse, I told my mum when I got home and she said that the girl had probably suffered from racism herself and was just taking it out on me and we agreed not to do anything, just for me to come home a different way for a few days so our paths didn’t cross again. For two people to like your post saying I have white privilege whilst knowing nothing about me or my lived experience is disgusting, but so typical of the attitude of many in this country who look down on their fellow citizens from what they see as their enlightened viewpoint, although of course you too have white privilege and can no more know or speak for people of colour than I can. The difference is, I don’t try to. |
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Post by mrsdoyle on Nov 7, 2021 15:33:57 GMT
Mrs Doyle is at a societal disadvantage to the above poster because unlike him, she's a woman and he will never have known what it is like to face sexist abuse. I would suggest that it is far more sexually abusive to assume that a lady needs you to defend her and can’t answer on her own. Then you would be wrong, again, women appreciate gentlemen. |
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Post by joe on Nov 7, 2021 15:45:42 GMT
I refer you back to my original answer to your post. You live in a white privileged majority, not your fault just an accident of birth, but you therefore have never felt racial abuse no matter how many times you’ve been called a whinging pom. There is no comparison and to suggest there is shows a total lack of understanding in my opinion. FWIW I was racially attacked by a black girl when I was 13, she pushed me out into the road as I cycled by saying ‘bloody whites’, luckily there was no traffic coming towards me so I wasn’t injured, or worse, I told my mum when I got home and she said that the girl had probably suffered from racism herself and was just taking it out on me and we agreed not to do anything, just for me to come home a different way for a few days so our paths didn’t cross again. For two people to like your post saying I have white privilege whilst knowing nothing about me or my lived experience is disgusting, but so typical of the attitude of many in this country who look down on their fellow citizens from what they see as their enlightened viewpoint, although of course you too have white privilege and can no more know or speak for people of colour than I can. The difference is, I don’t try to.I rest my case. |
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Post by mrsdoyle on Nov 7, 2021 20:06:11 GMT
FWIW I was racially attacked by a black girl when I was 13, she pushed me out into the road as I cycled by saying ‘bloody whites’, luckily there was no traffic coming towards me so I wasn’t injured, or worse, I told my mum when I got home and she said that the girl had probably suffered from racism herself and was just taking it out on me and we agreed not to do anything, just for me to come home a different way for a few days so our paths didn’t cross again. For two people to like your post saying I have white privilege whilst knowing nothing about me or my lived experience is disgusting, but so typical of the attitude of many in this country who look down on their fellow citizens from what they see as their enlightened viewpoint, although of course you too have white privilege and can no more know or speak for people of colour than I can. The difference is, I don’t try to.I rest my case. I’m sure in your mind this is a killer argument. It is in fact true that women understand racism better than men because they have and do experience sexism. When I was growing up Dad had to handle Mum’s tax affairs, married women didn’t have their own tax accounts. This was a major issue for women in abusive relationships as they couldn’t easily hide money from their abuser. When I worked in a bank, in the early 80’s, one of my jobs was asking women who wanted to take out a loan to arrange for a man to accompany them to countersign the agreement, to show the little woman understood what she was taking on. At Christmas party time, and this one really grated on me, female staff members were asked to bake something, and male staff members were asked to ask their wives to bake something. Still, you do you, and your friends can click like on your posts to show how much more enlightened they are than that silly woman. Thank you anyway for showing me the mind set of Sussex members, I nearly made a mistake and took out a membership. |
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Post by longstop on Nov 8, 2021 11:34:14 GMT
I moved the more recent content on the Yorkshire CCC Racism thread to this thread where the posts do not relate directly to the YCCC matter. Please use this thread for non-YCCC discussions on this topic.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 8, 2021 13:30:19 GMT
Women suffer gender abuse because they've always been under the control of a patriarchal society. Any attempts by women to fight for equality are traditionally resisted by the male establishment. Even in 2021, there are men who cannot accept women as having equal entitlements. A lot of men still have no empathy for women's situation: they try to find excuses for their 'banter' and more serious abuse. Some men are just sexually incontinent.
Likewise, non-whites have historically been regarded by whites as inferior, an attitude that allows them to assume domination. As non-whites have gradually fought against this arrogance, they have met with resistance because many whites don't want to 'lose control'. White resistance has led to physical, mental and social abuse, and is still a massive problem. Again, the weasel word 'banter' is often used to excuse verbal abuse.
These are both examples of prejudice which white males like myself have not had to endure, and therefore we should make an effort to understand how the abused must feel. A little empathy goes a long way.
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Post by liquidskin on Nov 8, 2021 21:12:08 GMT
We disagree on the principle, that's the point. What the left see as racism the right see as banter. Where was he when it happened? What was he saying back? Why not pull someone to one side? Why say now? If someone calls you a name, tell them not to. Don't harp on about it ten years later cos your career has failed. Why do lefty broadsheets think it's more important to challenge name calling from a white person than black on black murder or mass child rape committed by non whites on whites? Each by the thousand year on year. Yet some moron calls Rashford or this lad a name and they go through the roof. Totally disproportionate agenda. I find that all a bit muddled. Your opening paragraph displays no understanding of what it must be like to be racially abused. BTW, the racism was reported to YCCC years ago - not 10 years after the event. Why do you like to divide people into left and right - these are lazy labels that make everyone sound extreme enemies? There is a massive spectrum in between the extremes. Do you not agree that racism is a problem? You're damning the 'right' by suggesting that they regard racism as banter. No. And especially not in sport. You have, always have had and always will have a small minority of racist people from black, white, Asian and whatever background from whatever walk of life. I used to live in a predominantly Muslim area, when I knew young Nadeem who I spoke of earlier. You, or any of the wets on here would say I 'suffered' racial abuse. I would say some people took the p**s. I laughed. It was funny. You could say it hit my funny bones in the darkness of my soul, if you were a virtue-signalling moron. White what Joe? You idiot. |
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Post by liquidskin on Nov 8, 2021 21:41:41 GMT
I seldom post on this forum, I only looked at this thread to see what people thought as I’d dipped out of being a cricket follower for a couple of years and was late picking up on the Yorkshire story. I have to say reading the pile onto Liquidskin makes me feel uncomfortable. Maybe he has a history of unfortunate views but this accusing him of racism because of one anecdote, whether done tongue in cheek or not, seems over the top. Bullying and name calling in the workplace is very unpleasant, whoever said sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me was wrong. But to just trot out the usual ‘only whites can be racist’ is equally bad, and a form of racism, and also untrue. There are good and bad people in all races, I thought and hoped we were getting to the stage where we were getting past skin colour. History of unfortunate views? And you're on my side? Hey don't worry about me Mrs Doyle, it's barely a pile, more a woke whimper. They've all been fair enough, given where they're throwing stones from. The problem is this country is full of middle class chaps like Flash and Joe and Randall and... who really are the epitome of the white whatever they complain about. They can feel guilty for their own privilege. I'm still waiting for mine. Honestly, what unfortunate views? Is it the fake mental health stuff? It's definitely fake. Is it the terror plot, have you heard about my terror plot? I did make the mistake of writing it down on a napkin and leaving it in McDonald's. Maybe it's my belief that you can cut all knife crime, 100%, with one simple move - arm all inner city kids with guns. Huh? Huh? You in? Meh, I'm off for dinner with Nigel and Donald. |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 8, 2021 21:49:58 GMT
I find that all a bit muddled. Your opening paragraph displays no understanding of what it must be like to be racially abused. BTW, the racism was reported to YCCC years ago - not 10 years after the event. Why do you like to divide people into left and right - these are lazy labels that make everyone sound extreme enemies? There is a massive spectrum in between the extremes. Do you not agree that racism is a problem? You're damning the 'right' by suggesting that they regard racism as banter. No. And especially not in sport. You have, always have had and always will have a small minority of racist people from black, white, Asian and whatever background from whatever walk of life. I used to live in a predominantly Muslim area, when I knew young Nadeem who I spoke of earlier. You, or any of the wets on here would say I 'suffered' racial abuse. I would say some people took the p**s. I laughed. It was funny. You could say it hit my funny bones in the darkness of my soul, if you were a virtue-signalling moron. White what Joe? You idiot. I rest my case. |
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Post by liquidskin on Nov 8, 2021 21:50:35 GMT
At least these 2 departed cricket loving Yorkshiremen had no known record of racism to put them beyond the pale  This is one of my favourite photos. Frank said he was tricked - who was he expecting to meet at Broadmoor I wonder? A few years back, there was an English newsroom interviewing some bloke from the US in his office and for some bizarre reason the geezer had a photo of someone standing next to Jimmy Saville. P.S. I thought Jimmy was a Manc? P.S. again - I shook his hand once. |
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Post by liquidskin on Nov 8, 2021 21:53:32 GMT
That's a good one Flash. You win again. Do you and Joe use the same text book?
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Post by flashblade on Nov 8, 2021 22:01:10 GMT
That's a good one Flash. You win again. Do you and Joe use the same text book? 1, thank you. 2. thank you, 3. I don't use a text book, and I don't know if joe does. |
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Post by liquidskin on Nov 8, 2021 22:04:57 GMT
You all use a text book. Bloody great big thing written by a wealthy liberal.
Sorry to lump you all together like that - there'll be something about that in the book too.
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Post by tiptoes on Nov 9, 2021 8:02:25 GMT
Women suffer gender abuse because they've always been under the control of a patriarchal society. Any attempts by women to fight for equality are traditionally resisted by the male establishment. Even in 2021, there are men who cannot accept women as having equal entitlements. A lot of men still have no empathy for women's situation: they try to find excuses for their 'banter' and more serious abuse. Some men are just sexually incontinent. Ironic that the greatest threat to women and their rights isn't coming from the sexist, nasty white man but the militants and cultural marxists in the LGBTQ and Stonewall groups who like hounding anyone who believes that male transvestites arent the same as biological women or can invade their spaces. One victim of these bullies who dont differentiate between the equal rights of biological women as those men masquerading as women is the outgoing professor of Sx University who has never denied a person's right to transition from one sex to another but doesn't believe that psychology trumps biology, for which she has paid a heavy price. |
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