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Post by devonexile on Aug 2, 2022 14:27:35 GMT
290 all out. 104 off the last 10 overs. Easily done at trent bridge, remember the test match recently? Your personal vendetta against Lenham is very odd i must say Just can't help yourself can you? Someone expresses an opinion and you try turning it into something more sinister. So much for your wanting healthy debate. Lenham has taken just 6 wickets in the Championship at an average of over 76 and a strike rate of over 126. In T20 just one wicket at 214 with an economy rate of 8.56. Not I am sure that Joe needs me to defend his corner, but based on those figures his opinion would seem reasonable as opposed to being a 'personal vendetta'. |
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Post by joe on Aug 2, 2022 14:31:37 GMT
290 all out. 104 off the last 10 overs. Easily done at trent bridge, remember the test match recently? Your personal vendetta against Lenham is very odd i must say I don’t have a personal vendetta against Lenham, don’t try to make it something it isn’t. I said he’s got potential but he’s not good enough at this level yet, anyone can see that and I don’t think it’s right to expose him to it. |
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Post by joe on Aug 2, 2022 14:33:34 GMT
Pujara gone, start the car….
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Post by therealab1 on Aug 2, 2022 14:58:42 GMT
Easily done at trent bridge, remember the test match recently? Your personal vendetta against Lenham is very odd i must say Just can't help yourself can you? Someone expresses an opinion and you try turning it into something more sinister. So much for your wanting healthy debate. Lenham has taken just 6 wickets in the Championship at an average of over 76 and a strike rate of over 126. In T20 just one wicket at 214 with an economy rate of 8.56. Not I am sure that Joe needs me to defend his corner, but based on those figures his opinion would seem reasonable as opposed to being a 'personal vendetta'. At least 3 posts directly pin pointing Lenham struck me as being a bit personal is. My opinion is that is a personal vendetta, you expressed your right to disagree thats healthy debate. I'd imagine he's feeling a bit ****ty about his bowling form and i believe an 18 year old lad needs an arm around his shoulder telling him how good he is rather than be told he isnt good enough. |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Aug 2, 2022 15:01:29 GMT
If they had no intention of playing Robinson then why rest Finn? Anywho, Currie and Karvelas both bowling well in their opening spells. Keep the faith Joe. Good point Joe, I had forgotten about Finn. Another question for the coach. Makes no sense, which given what Finn has offered in terms of availability and performances since his signing, precedes the bigger question of why do we keep signing veteran seamers in the twilight of their careers with question marks over their fitness? Because it's all we can get. |
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Post by sillymidforties on Aug 2, 2022 15:52:27 GMT
Just can't help yourself can you? Someone expresses an opinion and you try turning it into something more sinister. So much for your wanting healthy debate. Lenham has taken just 6 wickets in the Championship at an average of over 76 and a strike rate of over 126. In T20 just one wicket at 214 with an economy rate of 8.56. Not I am sure that Joe needs me to defend his corner, but based on those figures his opinion would seem reasonable as opposed to being a 'personal vendetta'. At least 3 posts directly pin pointing Lenham struck me as being a bit personal is. My opinion is that is a personal vendetta, you expressed your right to disagree thats healthy debate. I'd imagine he's feeling a bit ****ty about his bowling form and i believe an 18 year old lad needs an arm around his shoulder telling him how good he is rather than be told he isnt good enough. He is good enough or will be but not ready just yet. Stats show this and a spell in 2s or even U18 would do no harm in building up his experience and confidence. Just hope his godfather can see this as it is obvious... |
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Post by sponge on Aug 2, 2022 16:12:04 GMT
Absolutely no doubt that Lenham will be a quality player. Hopefully for Sussex.
But management are crucifying him; very poor.
Coles, Hinley could be given an opportunity in white ball, and arguably are better white ball batters.
Not sure what Hudson Prentice or Carter have done wrong. More confused thinking from the management.
Rawlins and Ward are so frustrating. If Flower can't get them to occupy the crease then their future must be uncertain.
We need to write off Robinson. Super bowler, but being manipulated by Rob Key and Co.
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Post by devonexile on Aug 2, 2022 16:47:57 GMT
Good point Joe, I had forgotten about Finn. Another question for the coach. Makes no sense, which given what Finn has offered in terms of availability and performances since his signing, precedes the bigger question of why do we keep signing veteran seamers in the twilight of their careers with question marks over their fitness? Because it's all we can get. Sadly, I feel you are absolutely right Ash. Given our current plight, it feels at least domestically we will struggle to attract quality signings. No excuse though to sign players who aren't going to improve the overall squad. We need to be smart and recruit hidden gems. Players who have lost their way and cast out by other teams as we did with Robinson or those who have gone under the radar of other Counties, such as Archer. It will be interesting to see how Currie and Karvelas work out. I remember being totally uninspired when we signed Jimmy Anyon many seasons ago, but what a signing he proved to be bowling in tandem with Magoffin. |
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Post by devonexile on Aug 2, 2022 17:07:55 GMT
Absolutely no doubt that Lenham will be a quality player. Hopefully for Sussex. But management are crucifying him; very poor. Coles, Hinley could be given an opportunity in white ball, and arguably are better white ball batters. Not sure what Hudson Prentice or Carter have done wrong. More confused thinking from the management. Rawlins and Ward are so frustrating. If Flower can't get them to occupy the crease then their future must be uncertain. We need to write off Robinson. Super bowler, but being manipulated by Rob Key and Co. I would agree almost entirely with your post Sponge, although I am not convinced Cole or Hinley are further forward than Lenham or will offer anymore if selected. We are where we are and other than selecting Carter and Hudson-Prentice and juggling the bowlers, there isn't a lot more to be done in terms of the available personnel. I do feel as per my earlier post some of the decisions around selection seem more about justifying decisions or appeasing players than doing what is best for the team. Ward selected because he was awarded a white ball contract, Alsop given this competition to keep when he has been a real success as a batter only at three this season. I do sympathise on one hand with the coaches as to their limited options particularly around the bowling unit, but on the other hand they put the squad together and make decisions around who to select and play. Some positives today, at 73-5 I feared a really heavy defeat. We stuck at it and got closer to their score than seemed likely at one stage. Good opening spell from our trialists, Alsop another solid display with the bat and a good all round performance from Ibrahim. However, another battering in the last ten overs and some really naive dismissals to some unnecessary and poorly selected shots. It was always going to be a tall order, but on another day who knows? It's all about managing expectations and regretfully based on what has gone before mine are not particularly high for the remainder of the season. It would be wonderful to be proved wrong, but we don't have a strong enough squad and the coaches can't seem to come up with a formula to win matches. |
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Post by joe on Aug 2, 2022 18:07:24 GMT
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Post by liquidskin on Aug 2, 2022 18:35:59 GMT
Because it's all we can get. Sadly, I feel you are absolutely right Ash. Given our current plight, it feels at least domestically we will struggle to attract quality signings. No excuse though to sign players who aren't going to improve the overall squad. We need to be smart and recruit hidden gems. Players who have lost their way and cast out by other teams as we did with Robinson or those who have gone under the radar of other Counties, such as Archer. It will be interesting to see how Currie and Karvelas work out. I remember being totally uninspired when we signed Jimmy Anyon many seasons ago, but what a signing he proved to be bowling in tandem with Magoffin. If you find the magic formula for that little treasure chest Devon you'll make millions selling to every sports club. Looks like Alsop is fitting that bill so this lot can do it - albeit off the back of a loan. Didn't swing, seam or spin & we were chasing 300 at TB. Salisbury's right, should have got that. He sounds pretty deflated about it too. Lenham's got it, but he ain't got it all yet. He should be in the 2s. |
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Post by liquidskin on Aug 2, 2022 18:45:10 GMT
I dunno, don't recognise half of their team. This comp has lost all meaning now and will be dropped by 2025. Robinson plays for Lancs now, and Juice? Where the hell's Juice? He'll be on his way too if we ain't careful. Liquid, I fear for this format but still like it far more than 100 and T20 crash bang wallop. Strange selection here bearing in mind who played against Oxon on Sunday. Pressure on young Lenham to bowl well and Ward to bat well. I'm a traditionalist but it has to go. The Hundred ain't, the Blast ain't. Something has to, we need to go back to 2 formats for the good of the game. It makes sense, the longer form and the shorter form. It's just the shorter form has been replaced by something much shorter. It's the cash cow, it's the future, like it or not. |
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Post by sillymidforties on Aug 2, 2022 18:58:04 GMT
Sadly, I feel you are absolutely right Ash. Given our current plight, it feels at least domestically we will struggle to attract quality signings. No excuse though to sign players who aren't going to improve the overall squad. We need to be smart and recruit hidden gems. Players who have lost their way and cast out by other teams as we did with Robinson or those who have gone under the radar of other Counties, such as Archer. It will be interesting to see how Currie and Karvelas work out. I remember being totally uninspired when we signed Jimmy Anyon many seasons ago, but what a signing he proved to be bowling in tandem with Magoffin. If you find the magic formula for that little treasure chest Devon you'll make millions selling to every sports club. Looks like Alsop is fitting that bill so this lot can do it - albeit off the back of a loan. Didn't swing, seam or spin & we were chasing 300 at TB. Salisbury's right, should have got that. He sounds pretty deflated about it too. Lenham's got it, but he ain't got it all yet. He should be in the 2s. Tear and Hinley playing in U18s, will prob play 2s later in the year, getting some experience, honing their skills as 18-19 year old rookies should be. Lenham, Coles, Ibrahim should be doing the same. Tear hit 100 last week and Hinley had 85 last week and 144 this week so far. Feel for the kids being thrown in at the deep end. sussexcb.play-cricket.com/website/results/4997185 |
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Post by sponge on Aug 2, 2022 19:02:41 GMT
Based on that interview with Salisbury, I think the team will be exactly the same on Friday.
Here are my frustrated thoughts from today.
Orr - will play on Friday.
Ward - should play Friday. Must last 20 overs.
Clarke - as he can't bowl, he is playing as a batter. But so far has little white ball credibility. Based on his red ball game deserves chances.
Pujara - must bat at 3.
Alsop - must bat at 4.
Rawlins - should play Friday. Must do better with bat.
Ibrahim - will play on Friday.
Karvelas - will play on Friday.
Lenham - should play on Friday. But being hung out to dry by management due to poor spin cover. No other County would have allowed this to happen.
Hunt - will play on Friday.
Currie - will play on Friday.
Sadly, Hudson Prentice, Carter and others will have to wait for a game.
Coles and Hinley must wait for a chance.
Finn, Crocombe and Atkins will watch from the side.
I applaud the genuine efforts of the team, but am losing patience with Kirtley and Salisbury; both have shown muddled thinking. Latest example of this was the game v Oxon.
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Post by wiseman on Aug 3, 2022 9:46:51 GMT
Lenham isn't as yet good enough,in fact with the ball we've only improved since currie and kervalas have come in,as for salsbury and kirtley it might well as be laurel and hardy at the helm.
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