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Post by therealab1 on Jul 18, 2023 11:45:01 GMT
I take the point about the age of our pace bowlers, but quick bowlers, unlike batsmen and spinners, often emerge from nowhere. It's not time to be too downhearted yet. Indeed, who had thought about Tongue a year or two ago? Chances are some newbies will appear by the time the Aussies come here again. As for the next Ashes Down Under - 5-0 to the Aussies. I just dont think it's ever been this bad. If Potts and Tongue are the best of the rest its a little concerning. |
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Post by sixandout on Jul 18, 2023 12:07:57 GMT
I take the point about the age of our pace bowlers, but quick bowlers, unlike batsmen and spinners, often emerge from nowhere. It's not time to be too downhearted yet. Indeed, who had thought about Tongue a year or two ago? Chances are some newbies will appear by the time the Aussies come here again. As for the next Ashes Down Under - 5-0 to the Aussies. I just dont think it's ever been this bad. If Potts and Tongue are the best of the rest its a little concerning. I tend to agree. The bigger point is that Tests are now often back-to-back and real strain on the quicks. It means you need 4 or 5 genuine new ball/first-change bowlers. I can't see many quick bowlers playing a whole series if Tests are packed in together. |
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Post by squarepoint on Jul 20, 2023 17:14:36 GMT
Zak Crawley has probably guaranteed his place for at least the next two years. He may have a dodgy technique against a swinging ball but at least he never lacks confidence and has the capability to dominate any attack.
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Post by tiptoes on Jul 20, 2023 19:05:25 GMT
Zak Crawley has probably guaranteed his place for at least the next two years. He may have a dodgy technique against a swinging ball but at least he never lacks confidence and has the capability to dominate any attack. A far cry from Geoff Boycott who scored a snail paced century against an ultra weak Indian attack in 1967 at Headingley when even his home supporters left the ground early. He moved out of 1st gear on the 2nd day and despite amassing a total of 246 with England winning the game was dropped for slow scoring. Bear in mind that the dawdling over rate we now witness was a lot brisker in those days, especially with India's predominant spin attack so far more balls faced in a day. |
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Post by tiptoes on Jul 20, 2023 19:06:32 GMT
Moeen Ali 16th player join 3000/200 club along with Stuart Broad soon to be joined by Stokes and Jadeja.
I bet he was glad to be recalled to reach this double milestone.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 23, 2023 10:02:54 GMT
The weather forecast for Old Trafford today looks worse than predicted yesterday. What a shame! Who knows, a repeat of Derek Underwood's antics in August, 1968? www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLQdh2T8Tmw |
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Post by squarepoint on Jul 23, 2023 20:52:01 GMT
So disappointing for the Ashes to be decided this way when we could have had a series decider that captured the imagination of the whole sports watching nation(s). Cricket really needs its showcase moments and this has been stolen away by the weather.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 24, 2023 12:17:42 GMT
Hang on a moment.
While, the weather is partly to blame, what about the ECB for failing to incorporate an extra day (Monday) in
case of a wash out? They do this for the T20 Finals Day, why not for the far more important Ashes Test series.
I find this incomprehensible and terrible judgment from the ECB.
Given how important the Ashes series is today, not just financially for the TMGs, but also for English cricket,
everyone's a loser. That extra day could bring in the much needed revenue for Old Trafford as well as a result.
And what about the previous Headingley Test too.
For God's sake just factor in an extra day.
Simples!
The Ashes is a damp squib, literally now, where The Oval this week could have become 2005 all over again.
The ECB really need a good kick up the backside.
Very disappointing.
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Post by therealab1 on Jul 24, 2023 12:22:16 GMT
Hang on a moment. While, the weather is partly to blame, what about the ECB for failing to incorporate an extra day (Monday) in case of a wash out? They do this for the T20 Finals Day, why not for the far more important Ashes Test series. I find this incomprehensible and terrible judgment from the ECB. Given how important the Ashes series is today, not just financially for the TMGs, but also for English cricket, everyone's a loser. That extra day could bring in the much needed revenue for Old Trafford as well as a result. And what about the previous Headingley Test too. For God's sake just factor in an extra day. Simples! The ECB really need a good kick up the backside. The Ashes is a damp squib, literally, now where The Oval this week could have become 2005 all over again. too have an extra day you'd have to have that option in every test match to maintian the integrity of the competition particularly in WTC matches. The weather didnt help but going 2 down was probably where the Ashes were lost. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 24, 2023 12:26:28 GMT
Yes, absolutely.
To repeat, the Test match, players and supporters gain from this as well as the TMGs financially. I find it extraordinary that
the ECB has not implemented this extra day in all Test series in case of a wash out.
It is easy to blame England and those first two tests, but Australia were on a roll and dominating the momentum due to
their recent Test Championship Final win against India. It took England the first two tests, just to find their feet and their
team, and in my view, would have won this 4th Ashes Test and gone on to win the series at The Oval. Australia were on
the ropes come Friday evening. The momentum had strongly shifted over to England.
The blame for this debacle must solely be placed at the ECBs door.
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Post by therealab1 on Jul 24, 2023 13:08:04 GMT
I suspect you mean the ICC but planning an extra day for every test match would be a logistical nightmare and probably a huge financial cost.
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Post by therealab1 on Jul 24, 2023 14:13:12 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 24, 2023 15:40:39 GMT
I have read that relevant paragraph and it's nonsense.
..in a Test series the draw is a legitimate result, whether the match is hindered by weather or not.
You do not just keep playing until one side wins.
Old Trafford was not a five day test, but a three day and 3 hour Test. I am not suggesting you carry
on playing until 5 days is done, of course not. But the extra day helps make up for the hours lost due
to bad weather, making it a fairer contest.
A reserve day would also mean players, coaches, officials, venues, security and catering staff would
have to make themselves available. But the increasingly packed cricket schedule means there is unlikely
to be enough time to effectively turn five-day Test matches into six-day ones.
What nonsense. Of course there is time. England players don't go back to their counties to play a game,
the day after a Test ends. This sentence suggests international cricketers play every day of the week. TMGs
and catering staff would make themselves available because they desperately need the money.
This Ashes series is being played over a six-week period in June and July to free up August for the third edition
of the Hundred...
And here is the primary issue. Cram the Ashes in over a shortened period of time to allow for the 100.
There are also Twenty20 internationals, one-day internationals and other domestic competitions to consider
when organising a schedule, as well as the additional cost of booking venues, security and catering for an
extra day that may not even happen.
Again nonsense. Five Tests, Five potential reserve days. So, that's going to scupper the entire cricketing
diary? Seriously? And how often would the reserve day be used? Rarely. Only if an entire day is washed
out like on Sunday.
England captain Ben Stokes is against the idea, telling Sky Sports: "I probably wouldn't be on the side of saying
there should be reserve days. Test cricket is five days."
Exactly, Old Trafford was 3 days and 3 hours.
What typical BBC rubbish. Something you come to expect from them these days.
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Post by therealab1 on Jul 24, 2023 15:47:37 GMT
I have read that relevant paragraph and it's nonsense. ..in a Test series the draw is a legitimate result, whether the match is hindered by weather or not.
You do not just keep playing until one side wins.Old Trafford was not a five day test, but a three day and 3 hour Test. I am not suggesting you carry on playing until 5 days is done, of course not. But the extra day helps make up for the hours lost due to bad weather, making it a fairer contest. A reserve day would also mean players, coaches, officials, venues, security and catering staff would
have to make themselves available. But the increasingly packed cricket schedule means there is unlikely
to be enough time to effectively turn five-day Test matches into six-day ones.What nonsense. Of course there is time. England players don't go back to their counties to play a game, the day after a Test ends. This sentence suggests international cricketers play every day of the week. TMGs and catering staff would make themselves available because they desperately need the money. This Ashes series is being played over a six-week period in June and July to free up August for the third edition
of the Hundred... And here is the primary issue. Cram the Ashes in over a shortened period of time to allow for the 100. There are also Twenty20 internationals, one-day internationals and other domestic competitions to consider
when organising a schedule, as well as the additional cost of booking venues, security and catering for an
extra day that may not even happen.Again nonsense. Five Tests, Five potential reserve days. So, that's going to scupper the entire cricketing diary? Seriously? And how often would the reserve day be used? Rarely. Only if an entire day is washed out like on Sunday.
England captain Ben Stokes is against the idea, telling Sky Sports: "I probably wouldn't be on the side of saying
there should be reserve days. Test cricket is five days."
Exactly, Old Trafford was 3 days and 3 hours. What typical BBC rubbish. Something you come to expect from them these days. Do you have a spare day for 5 overs lost? It would make every test a 6 day match, the more you think about it the more absurd the idea is in such a packed calendar. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 24, 2023 19:34:55 GMT
To repeat, a reserve day would only be triggered if
an entire cricketing day is washed out. Two washed
out days still only one reserve day.
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