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Post by flashblade on Nov 21, 2015 10:22:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 10:29:27 GMT
Excellent work from GD. He has made this developing Northants CCC story his own for when he focuses on attention and effort he's an excellent journalist. Just wish he would spend less time on the speculative and more time on the hard facts. This is "a proper story" as some might say. Agreed. A 'proper story' rather than wheeling out 'ECB plans to play Royal London Cup abroad in March' every time he's got space to fill and can't find anything sensible to say! Northants and Leics should merge. The county grounds are only 37 miles apart, which is exactly the distance I drive every time I go to Hove. Reluctantly we have to forget the proud and individual histories of the two shires and accept that in the 21st century there is no more justification for the east midlands having two first-class cricket clubs than, say, splitting East and West Sussex into two competing professional sides. |
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Post by theleopard on Nov 21, 2015 11:27:49 GMT
Agreed. A 'proper story' rather than wheeling out 'ECB plans to play Royal London Cup abroad in March' every time he's got space to fill and can't find anything sensible to say! Northants and Leics should merge. The county grounds are only 37 miles apart, which is exactly the distance I drive every time I go to Hove. Reluctantly we have to forget the proud and individual histories of the two shires and accept that in the 21st century there is no more justification for the east midlands having two first-class cricket clubs than, say, splitting East and West Sussex into two competing professional sides. I just can't see how a merger would work in practical terms. They would surely only want one HQ ground, which would mean in effect, that one of the clubs would cease to exist - presumably in the current climate that would be Northants. So Leicestershire would stand to gain absolutely nothing from a "merger", unless the ECB agreed to double their annual payment - which I doubt. With the club presumably based in Leicester, it's not as if they would take on a lot of new supporters, either. Either the problems at Northants have to be solved, or, much as I hate to say it, they should accept to relinquish First Class status and play as a Minor County. This would not be easy as it might prove financially tricky to maintain the existing physical infrastructure just for Minor Counties purposes. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 23, 2015 14:59:11 GMT
One notes the ECB are trumpeting their county cricket attendance rises for 2015 in typical smoke and mirrors fashion. Key trends from 2015: More than 560,000 fans watched England in Investec Test matches; 193,000 in Royal London ODIs and 31,000 in NatWest International T20s. : 513,000 people watched LV= County Championship matches – up from 495,000 last year. : More than 200,000 people attended the 72 Royal London One-Day Cup matches – an increase of around 500 per match on the previous year. : The average NatWest T20 Blast attendance per match rose by 800 and eleven out of 18 counties saw their NatWest T20 Blast attendances increase year-on-year. Being an Ashes Summer let us compare this figure with 2013. So, an overall increase of 139,880. 2013790,475 1,398,409 2,188,8842015785,030 1,543,734 2,328,764 Certainly, a figure to be welcomed. As for the T20 I am not clear what the ECB means by "attendance per match rose by 800 and eleven out of 18 counties saw their NatWest T20 Blast attendances increase year-on-year." One presumes it was the TMGs who saw the biggest growth and a majority of non-TMGs little or no increase. For example, Warwickshire and the 'Birmingham Bears' saw T20 attendance increase by a whopping 86 per cent or 65,792. This figure would completely skew-whiff the overall average, so what are the ECB trying to hide? One suspects those 7 counties who did not see attendance increases, no doubt all non-TMGs, saw their figures fall quite substantially. I wish the ECB, like county cricket, were more honest and transparent and show each attendance figure for each county, while accepting there is a growing gulf between TMGs and non-TMGs which will eventually and inevitably lead to a Franchise T20 tournament. www.ecb.co.uk/news/articles/23m-attend-cricket-2015www.edgbaston.com/2559/edgbaston-s-36-growth-contributes-to-record-national-cricket-attendances.html? |
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 23, 2015 15:34:05 GMT
One notes the ECB are trumpeting their county cricket attendance rises for 2015 in typical smoke and mirrors fashion. Key trends from 2015: More than 560,000 fans watched England in Investec Test matches; 193,000 in Royal London ODIs and 31,000 in NatWest International T20s. : 513,000 people watched LV= County Championship matches – up from 495,000 last year. : More than 200,000 people attended the 72 Royal London One-Day Cup matches – an increase of around 500 per match on the previous year. : The average NatWest T20 Blast attendance per match rose by 800 and eleven out of 18 counties saw their NatWest T20 Blast attendances increase year-on-year. Being an Ashes Summer let us compare this figure with 2013. So, an overall increase of 139,880. 2013790,475 1,398,409 2,188,8842015785,030 1,543,734 2,328,764 Certainly, a figure to be welcomed. As for the T20 I am not clear what the ECB means by "attendance per match rose by 800 and eleven out of 18 counties saw their NatWest T20 Blast attendances increase year-on-year." One presumes it was the TMGs who saw the biggest growth and a majority of non-TMGs little or no increase. For example, Warwickshire and the 'Birmingham Bears' saw T20 attendance increase by a whopping 86 per cent or 65,792. This figure would completely skew-whiff the overall average, so what are the ECB trying to hide? One suspects those 7 counties who did not see attendance increases, no doubt all non-TMGs, saw their figures fall quite substantially. I wish the ECB, like county cricket, were more honest and transparent and show each attendance figure for each county, while accepting there is a growing gulf between TMGs and non-TMGs which will eventually and inevitably lead to a Franchise T20 tournament. www.ecb.co.uk/news/articles/23m-attend-cricket-2015www.edgbaston.com/2559/edgbaston-s-36-growth-contributes-to-record-national-cricket-attendances.html?Good points s and f. You could also look at the figures for 2011, which total to something like 2015's attendances: 849,302 1,452,109 2,301,411 In this context it starts to look like something cyclical rather than the simple cause-and-effect the ECB would like us to think about the great success of the current ham-fisted T20 schedules,which, as borderman points out on another thread, may well be buggered about even further in a vain attempt to safeguard the vanity and rapacity of the county chairmen - chiefly the big, TMG ones - against the unstoppable juggernaut of the Euro 2016 soccer tournament and it's unquestionably superior claim to the TV audiences. As you say, figures at the county level are lacking and a direct enquiry to Sussex CCC for their own figures, following their parroting the ECB line in their own Tweet this morning failed to receive the courtesy of an acknowledgment. In any event, all these figures lack the ingredient of membership attendances, which in some cases can be significant, are probably quite heavily influenced by the numbers of complimentary tickets floating around from the various sponsors and reciprocals, and all too often in the past they have failed to pass the most elementary tests of credibility. A year ago Yorkshire presented their own attendances - faithfully input to the ECB - to their membership at an AGM and were howled down and had to revise them. We have reached a stage where smoke and mirrors, in your phrase fluffy, is a euphemism for think of a number and double it. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 23, 2015 16:46:54 GMT
Hhs,
Sussex did tweet earlier today:
Sussex CCC @sussexccc 6h
Sussex's total @natwestt20blast group match attendance went up by around 5,000 in comparison to 2014
If the Club did not have their self-imposed 5,000 ground capacity compared to the potential capacity of 7,000,
that increased figure may have been higher. Perhaps, it is better to report four sell-out games? Even so, rather
like the ECB, another smoke and mirrors area, for why state your ground capacity is 7,000 in the blurb when in
reality it is not.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 23, 2015 18:01:01 GMT
Hhs, Sussex did tweet earlier today: Sussex CCC @sussexccc 6hSussex's total @natwestt20blast group match attendance went up by around 5,000 in comparison to 2014If the Club did not have their self-imposed 5,000 ground capacity compared to the potential capacity of 7,000, that increased figure may have been higher. Perhaps, it is better to report four sell-out games? Even so, rather like the ECB, another smoke and mirrors area, for why state your ground capacity is 7,000 in the blurb when in reality it is not. I don't understand. Does this imply that it is not safe to have more than 5,000 in the ground? Or what is the reason? Has the 'potential' capacity of 7,000 any practical relevance? Also, won't the new office buildings in the NE corner restrict the capacity still further, especially on T20 nights? |
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 23, 2015 19:12:16 GMT
Hhs, Sussex did tweet earlier today: Sussex CCC @sussexccc 6hSussex's total @natwestt20blast group match attendance went up by around 5,000 in comparison to 2014If the Club did not have their self-imposed 5,000 ground capacity compared to the potential capacity of 7,000, that increased figure may have been higher. Perhaps, it is better to report four sell-out games? Even so, rather like the ECB, another smoke and mirrors area, for why state your ground capacity is 7,000 in the blurb when in reality it is not. fluffy: Sussex CCC @sussexccc 10h10 hours ago The ECB has this morning announced that cricket has attracted record crowds across domestic and international games in 2015 4 retweets 2 likes Sussex CCC @sussexccc 10h10 hours ago Sussex's total @natwestt20blast group match attendance went up by around 5,000 in comparison to 2014 4 retweets 3 likes Sussex CCC @sussexccc 10h10 hours ago We were fortunate enough to have four @natwestt20blast matches completely sold-out, as well as our NatWest Women's T20 International 4 retweets 3 likes UnofficialSxCCCforum @sxcforum 10h10 hours ago @sussexccc @natwestt20blast Congratulations. Can you publish figures showing attendance at champ matches as well as one-days pls? 0 retweets 0 likes Sussex CCC @sussexccc 10h10 hours ago @sxcforum Unfortunately the ECB don't publish those attendance figures but they do make rerefence to the CC here > www.ecb.co.uk/news/articles/23m-attend-cricket-2015 … 1:33 AM - 23 Nov 2015 · Details Hide conversation 0 retweets 0 likes Tweet text Reply to @sussexccc UnofficialSxCCCforum @sxcforum 9h9 hours ago @sussexccc OK, can you publish Sussex's champ/T20/RL attendance please?0 retweets 1 like The rest is silence......I asked for a simple statement. They either can't or won't give it. |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 23, 2015 19:22:37 GMT
I think we should ask again for the info, HHS. The club wouldn't want to unwittingly give the impression that it was hiding these figures. They must surely be available because they will have contributed to the ECB's overall totals.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 21:13:52 GMT
Jim May has already told us that attendances at Arundel and Horsham were 30 per cent down, but claimed that attendances at Hove were up on 2014. Do these pluses and minuses cancel out - or do they leave Sussex with an overall fall in attendances?
In a relegation year, it would be a surprise - and quite an achievement - if Sussex attendances were on the up rather than in decline.
But not even acknowledging the question, let alone providing an answer, is ill-mannered and discourteous.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 23, 2015 21:58:09 GMT
Jim May has already told us that attendances at Arundel and Horsham were 30 per cent down, but claimed that attendances at Hove were up on 2014. Do these pluses and minuses cancel out - or do they leave Sussex with an overall fall in attendances? In a relegation year, it would be a surprise - and quite an achievement - if Sussex attendances were on the up rather than in decline. But not even acknowledging the question, let alone providing an answering, is ill-mannered and discourteous. Jim is a busy man, but I've never known him to be ill mannered. I'm sure he'll answer when he's got a spare moment. |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 24, 2015 8:36:03 GMT
I think we should ask again for the info, HHS. The club wouldn't want to unwittingly give the impression that it was hiding these figures. They must surely be available because they will have contributed to the ECB's overall totals. How can they say they don't know the attendance? The directors at Plumpton Racecourse expect me to product a flash report and memo saying how we performed on each raceday on the same day! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 9:09:44 GMT
Info comng out in dribs and drabs now.
Seven counties - un-named - had lower T20 attendance than in 2014.
Only two counties - Hants and Yorkshire - showed an increase in all three formats.
And some counties spinning like a top on the figures. Kent website says "strong ticket sales across the three formats were underpinned by Kent’s loyal membership base of more than 5,000", whereas the annual report shows the membership is only half that. When such huge whoppers are being told by some counties, it's very hard to know what credence to place on the figures that are being bandied about.
Why doesn't the ECB just publish all the attendance figures in a table, format by format and county by county?
BTW, fb, I wasn't suggesting Jim May was ill-mannered for I don't suppose the chairman's duties include reading and replying (or not) to questions on Twitter! But I'm sure somebody read it and decided that it didn't merit a reply...
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 24, 2015 9:14:01 GMT
Info comng out in dribs and drabs now. Seven counties - un-named - had lower T20 attenadance than in 2014. Only two counties - Hants and Yorkshire - showed an increase in all three formats. And sme counties spinning like a top on the figures. Kent website says "strong ticket sales across the three formats were underpinned by Kent’s loyal membership base of more than 5,000" whereas the annual report shows the membership is only hal;f that... Why doesn't the ECB just publish all the attendance figures in a table, format by format and county by county? BTW, fb, I wasn't suggesting Jim May was ill-mannered for I don't suppose the chairman's duties include reading and replying (or not) to questions on Twitter! But I'm sure somebody read it and decided that it didn't merit a reply... That would be the simplest option, but the least susceptible to spin.  Can I suggest a simple expedient for all members of this forum who would like to know the Sussex figures? Complete a short query on the Contacts page of the website here www.sussexcricket.co.uk/contact. I'm sure that someone will reply if only to stem the flow of email enquiries.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 9:21:17 GMT
Sussex in 2015 had a T20 home quarter final, so there were 8 home games against 7 the previous year, which immediately puts 5,000 extra on the 2014 figure and would enable the club to claim a 15 per cent attendance increase on 2014, should they wish to put such a spin on the figures...
Although to be fair they did tweet that " group match attendance went up by around 5,000 in comparison to 2014". But half of that 5,000 increase was down to Surrey T20 fans and those who wanted to see KP at Arundel, which reportedly due a crowd in excess of 8,000 this season against last season's T20 at Arundel v Somerset, which was attended by 5,817.
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