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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 13:37:33 GMT
We will have to disagree on several things there,hh.
I think you are quite wrong that "no-one now cares whether (Cook's) decline could be reversed for any format of the game". I get the impression most would like him to forget about the white ball stuff and rediscover his Test match form. He has his 30th birthday on Xmas Day so theoretically the next two or three years should be the best of his career if the burden of captaincy is removed and he's not constantly required to give those endlessly embarrassing press conferences explaining away yet another defeat/failure.
But I don't see how Downton can put him out of his misery until Cook indicates his own willingness to step down. May be Downton will try to persuade Cook to resign and jump straight to Root as you suggest; but if Cook says he wants to carry on I would expect Downton to be duty-bound to honour the pact he made with him and move heaven and earth to persuade/bully the selectors into keeping him, because he cannot countenance the captaincy in the world cup going to Eoin Morgan.
Not because of Morgan's own lack of runs but because of Morgan's comments about KP's sacking as recently as October:
“I think it is unbelievable in a way, because certainly he could still be playing cricket for England quite easily. It is sad to think that probably the best cricketer I have ever played with is not playing [internationally] any more. A guy I have had huge respect for, for a very long time and learnt a huge amount from isn’t playing probably as much as he should be. Kevin playing any form of cricket, regardless of what it is at the moment, is good for cricket in general. He is an ultimate professional.”
You can rest assured that while Downton and Moores are around and Flower is still lurking powerfully in the background, nobody holding such heretical views will ever be allowed to captain England except as a stand-in and under duress, as when Cook was suspended.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 17, 2014 13:59:02 GMT
hhs, Do not underestimate the power and influence of Twitter when used by influential people. You do this at your peril. Whether you believe Morgan to be a moron, he is a very influential moron. Twitter FollowersPiers Morgan: 4.31m Kevin Pietersen: 2.06m Total = 6.37m followers.Of course, these 6.37m followers don't read every post - just as people don't read every cricket article in a newspaper. Some don't even venture to the back pages, let alone read a cricket piece. Top 3 National Newspaper Circulation Figures (2014)The Sun: 2.2m Daily Mail: 1.78m Daily Mirror: 992,256 So, when Morgan and KP are batting on the same side eg. Stating Cook should be dropped as England captain, they have far more influence than any single national newspaper out there. The only media publication that can compete is 'The Daily Mail online' which has one of the highest online readerships in the world. For example, in March this year, the website boasted 6.3m UK readers on one single day - a 10% increase on its previous daily best. Even so, how many of these were reading the gossip and celebrity articles - probably a majority of them. It is no wonder that the ECB in their defence of sacking KP referred to social media and its negative and undermining influence at various times as an open attack on Morgan. If they weren't concerned about Twitter, the Board would not have mentioned this fact. And why they explicitly told England players not to communicate with him. Twitter has been a game-changer in the politics of life, a communication revolution - far more so than 'Facebook' - and influential people like Piers Morgan can use this to their advantage. Twitter is now responsible for naming and shaming, firing those in high up positions, and creating an anxiety of political correctness which is breeding a dangerously extreme society. I don't like Twitter and never will, but it is a growing phenomenon which should never be underestimated.
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 17, 2014 13:59:45 GMT
I'm afraid we will, borderman, because you cling to this idea that anyone with power in the game - not you or me or the thousand or so old enthusiasts gossiping on the internet, but the real power-brokers, the ECB insiders, the county chairmen, the marketing players for the sponsors - give a tuppeny about Pietersen and his balls-aching, or whether Eoin Morgan likes him or not.
The game has moved on. Downton did the job he was hired to do: get rid of the toxin that was infecting the brand and marginalise it, whatever the consequences. Result is that Pietersen is outside the tent and can drench it as much as he wants, and if the idlers want to come and gawp at him with his mighty sword of justice in his hand, well so be it.
The next task is to recreate an enduring brand image. No doubt the charming, doe-eyed Diana lookalike with his farm and his lack of threatening personal opinions, or any other sign of intelligence, looked as if he would be an ideal representative back in February but unfortunately real life has intervened. Technical faults that seemed to have been ironed out have re-emerged and he appears powerless to resolve them, or lacking the determination to confront them; his tactical skills have not improved, or to put it another way, his always embarrassing lack of understanding of match-management can no longer be hidden; even in a format where Cook was not expected to be particularly successful his howlers as captain and player have proved too much, leaving his managers without the ability to endorse him with any credibility. This is not what Downton needs, or EnglandCricket (TM applied for) will tolerate, ergo Cook must go.
And if he goes, then he will not come back. That wonderful career trajectory that made the brand look so promising a while ago - the youngest to reach a series of plateaux, the promise of record-breaking achievements - will not be reengineered to operate at a slower angle of ascent. Can you really see Cook returned to the ranks as a Test match batsman, and then failing to hit 50 in his first 5 or 6 innings and still being persevered with? Clearly not, and neither can I see Cook being axed from the World Cup, with no guarantees about his future in other formats, settling down to a long period in the nets with the kind of expert guidance and technical as well as moral support that he needs, not least because Moores and all the others he should be able to depend upon will all be swanning around in Australia and then getting ready for West Indies.
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 17, 2014 14:13:35 GMT
hhs, Do not underestimate the power and influence of Twitter when used by influential people. You do this at your peril. Whether you believe Morgan to be a moron, he is a very influential moron. Twitter FollowersPiers Morgan: 4.31m Kevin Pietersen: 2.06m Total = 6.37m followers.Of course, these 6.37m followers don't read every post - just as people don't read every cricket article in a newspaper. Some don't even venture to the back pages, let alone read a cricket piece. Top 3 National Newspaper Circulation Figures (2014)The Sun: 2.2m Daily Mail: 1.78m Daily Mirror: 992,256 So, when Morgan and KP are batting on the same side eg. Stating Cook should be dropped as England captain, they have far more influence than any single national newspaper out there. The only media publication that can compete is 'The Daily Mail online' which has one of the highest online readerships in the world. For example, in March this year, the website boasted 6.3m UK readers on one single day - a 10% increase on its previous daily best. Even so, how many of these were reading the gossip and celebrity articles - probably a majority of them. It is no wonder that the ECB in their defence of sacking KP referred to social media and its negative and undermining influence at various times as an open attack on Morgan. If they weren't concerned about Twitter, the Board would not have mentioned this fact. And why they explicitly told England players not to communicate with him. Twitter has been a game-changer in the politics of life, a communication revolution - far more so than 'Facebook' - and influential people like Piers Morgan can use this to their advantage. Twitter is now responsible for naming and shaming, firing those in high up positions, and creating an anxiety of political correctness which is breeding a dangerously extreme society. I don't like Twitter and never will, but it is a growing phenomenon which should never be underestimated. On the contrary, I do not understimate its power as a marketing tool. The figures you quote don't stand up to comparison with printed media because of the vast and ever-increasing number of manufactured accounts out there in the Twittersphere. It has been estimated that 1 in 10, something like 25 million accounts worldwide are bots. That is, they are automated accounts that exist to harvest data fdrom other accounts around the net, resort them according to marketable priorities, for example, everything bearing the hashtag #smartshoes will cause a bot to generate Tweets aimed at everyone else who has shown an interest in shoes, with the product placement of anyone from Clarks to Loboutin the object of the exercise. That ratio of non-human involvement is much higher when "celebrities" are involved, especially money-grubbing stars whose motivation for using Twitter has nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of sport but everything to do with selling commodities. The likelihood is that most of Pietersen and Morgan's followers are bots, endlessly selling and recyling information to each other about the worthless rubbish that their owners endorse in a kind of frenetic masturbatory cycle. This kind of thing isn't about forming opinion, its all about selling. On edit: This article www.technologyreview.com/view/529461/how-to-spot-a-social-bot-on-twitter/ makes interesting reading - and I strongly urge you to downlaoad the accompanying BotorNot program and examine some of the followers of Twitter accounts.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 17, 2014 14:43:57 GMT
hhs, The likelihood is that most of Pietersen and Morgan's followers are bots, endlessly selling and recyling information to each other about the worthless rubbish that their owners endorse in a kind of frenetic masturbatory cycle.While I accept bots can play a role in superficially enlarging a Twitter follower account eg. There is someone in the US who charges $200 for 10,000 bots (new followers), it is highly unlikely either Morgan or KP have the need to do this. Neither spend time selling products via their Twitter, except Pietersen when occasionally promoting one of his businesses, which is very refreshing. Pietersen is primarily cricket/social life based and Morgan current affairs/sports based. The Twitter accounts which I object to and find tedious are those who solely use it to sell dull and superficial products. www.fastcodesign.com/3031675/infographic-of-the-day/what-buying-twitter-bots-will-do-for-your-following
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 17, 2014 15:02:06 GMT
S and f, the point I'm making is not whether Pietersen or Morgan need to, its that they have no choice. That is the nature of Twitter, that it exists to serve as a gigantic marketing tool, which some entrepeneurs can fashion with reasonable sophistication, and others prefer to use as a sort of gigantic scoop or seine net, through which fall the tiniest krill, but which retain both the choice fish and the worthless marine organisms, for tohers to dispose of as they fancy.
So accounts like these are boosted enormously by their attraction to social bots launched by others, and the only point of these accounts then becomes to churn out more an more product in the fairly secure knowledge that someone, somewhere will find a value from this that can then be channelled back to the originator of the account. It isn't always about direct market placement for Pietersen's ridiculous children's boutiques or whatever Morgan is selling, but for the association with that "celebrity" that can be applied to another product.
The bigger the star, the more product endorsements, direct or by association, often at remove, the larger the number of followers.
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