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Post by leedsgull on Feb 15, 2015 9:21:05 GMT
I am finding sympathy with the Indian mistrust of technology. All the cameras in the world will not prevent human error. It is time that the third umpire was a specialist not just any available umpire. He need not necessarily actually be an umpire but someone trained in the technology available to him and with a rule book close to hand.  |
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Post by flashblade on Feb 15, 2015 10:41:56 GMT
I am finding sympathy with the Indian mistrust of technology. All the cameras in the world will not prevent human error. It is time that the third umpire was a specialist not just any available umpire. He need not necessarily actually be an umpire but someone trained in the technology available to him and with a rule book close to hand. But this was not a technology problem. It was a case of 3 umpires all mis-interpreting the laws. I agree that the 3rd umpire should be a specialist, and should be in the ear of the on field umpires, so any howler can be quickly reversed. |
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Post by mrsdoyle on Feb 15, 2015 20:14:44 GMT
I am finding sympathy with the Indian mistrust of technology. All the cameras in the world will not prevent human error. It is time that the third umpire was a specialist not just any available umpire. He need not necessarily actually be an umpire but someone trained in the technology available to him and with a rule book close to hand. But this was not a technology problem. It was a case of 3 umpires all mis-interpreting the laws. I agree that the 3rd umpire should be a specialist, and should be in the ear of the on field umpires, so any howler can be quickly reversed. Who needs a rule book, A tablet or PC with the laws programmed in, couple of clocks or swipes, job done, as Leedsgull said the third umpire doesn't even need to be an umpire, just someone with good eyesight, good hearing, common sense and access to the laws. |
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Post by coverpoint on Feb 16, 2015 5:24:27 GMT
When are West Indies going to be stripped of their ODI status on the grounds of no longer being competitive?
Where are Dwayne Bravo and Kieran Pollard? Why wasn't a specialist spinner selected?
Stirling, Joyce and Niall O'Brien superb.
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Post by flashblade on Feb 16, 2015 8:07:59 GMT
Moores admits that England's death bowling tactics were wrong: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31477517I can understand it if bowlers sometimes fail to "execute their plans" - sorry about the jargon - but I can't understand why Moores and his vast backroom team couldn't at least devise the right tactics beforehand. Every schoolboy knows that full straight bowling is needed at the death. Also, during the course of the match, if the tactics were failing, shouldn't the captain adapt to the situation? Moores' interview sounded like a public confession of ineptitude. |
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Post by mrsdoyle on Feb 16, 2015 14:31:42 GMT
This bowling Yorkers at the death thing is hardly new. Didn't we have James Kirtley doing that for Sussex yonks ago? England lost the plot when they employed Dernbach to bamboozle the opposition with all his variations, and we know how well that worked out.
I might add that only England could replace a captain who is failing to score runs with someone who is scoring even less.
So far I am not regretting my decision not to fork out for Sky Sports for a month.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 15:15:46 GMT
Good post, Mrs D. The only bit I'd disgaree with is the value of Sky Sports. I went to bed for the first time in three days last night - and so missed Ed Joyce and the fantastic Irish run chase; but I thoroughly enjoyed staying up all night on Friday and Saturday to watch.
I did manage to watch some of the highlights package on ITV4 for the first time last night and it is a disappointingly low-budget affair. The opening credits are an inexpensive but nicely done collage, I thought. But then it's just a straight package (from what I think is the Australian channel ten coverage and commentary?). There's one female presenter at the start and then that's it from what I saw - there's no analysis or discussion by ITV's own panel of experts, as happens in, say, the BBC's football highlights package on MOTD (although to be honest I didn't watch it through until the end as I turned over to get a bit of Chris Gayle and Dwayne Smith live on Sky Sports before bed).
One is obviously glad that the ITV coverage is there. But I don't think it is too churlish to feel that they might have done a little more to tart it up and present it better.
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Post by hhsussex on Feb 17, 2015 8:31:51 GMT
A good score for Machan in a losing cause, and nice to see both Sussex players starting the tournament with 50s. www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/content/story/833193.htmlPerhaps when Jordan gets his chance he'll respond with a 5 for, or some impressive hitting and his exceptional catching. I still haven't got round to watching the ITV highlights so can't comment on borderman's comparisons with the Sky coverage. In fact I almost don't dare turn the television on after what has been a disastrous week for electronic gadgets: last Monday pc booted up but no display (new graphics card, much expense and wait for bench time), and on Saturday I looked forward eagerly to playing my wife's Valentine's present to me, the new Dylan CD, only for my CD and receiver unit to fail (now on its way back to Marantz, disappointing conversation in the dealers "of course, that model is discontinued now, it really was superb value, you won't be able to match it with the models available now"). |
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Post by mrsdoyle on Feb 17, 2015 10:24:35 GMT
Yes, Well done Matt, please re think your loyalties and come and play for England. Didn't know there were highlights on ITV 4 so will give them a try. Can't stay up all night to watch cricket anyway as have work in the morning so even less reason to fork out to hear Shane Warne who I have taken a particular dislike to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 3:26:00 GMT
It's 3.20 am and at 116-8 I think I'm going to bed.
If England's batsmen can't be bothered to show up, why should I bother to stay up?
Southee has been brilliant but it's still an utter shambles. As I said after the last game v Australia, this England side is considerably worse than the side that was humiliated and dismantled last winter.
The 'bring back Trott' chorus grows ever louder. Somone has just tweeted 'Why is England's best 50 overs batsmen working for cricinfo instead of playing?'
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Post by coverpoint on Feb 20, 2015 3:40:03 GMT
Ali, Ballance, Broad and Finn out Hales, Bopara, Jordan and Tredwell in. Morgan to be sacked and dropped after the world cup and Moores to be sacked as coach. This England team is an absolute disgrace and an embarrassment to their country. Ali is not an international opener, another failure for Morgan and no footwork from Buttler. Taylor and Woakes out to a jaffer. Broad needs a massive kick up the arse! McCullum has murdered us. English batsmen undone by swing conditions which they face in England from the age of 10. They had no answer to Southee. English cricket RIP. Can we beat Scotland? On this performance definitely not. England players should be reimbursing the supporters who have spent a lot of money only to watch this utter tripe. My England team for Scotland: Bell, Hales, Root, Morgan (c), Buttler (+), Taylor, Bopara, Woakes, Jordan, Tredwell, Anderson Get ready to run over Tower Bridge with no clothes on Dominic: talksport.com/cricket/i-will-run-naked-over-tower-bridge-if-scotland-beat-england-world-cup-promises-cricket-star |
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Post by joe on Feb 20, 2015 7:15:31 GMT
No intent, no conviction, no belief. England like rabbits in the headlights. Not sure any changes to the line up would help. England about 20 years out of date, haven't kept up with the modern game. Wouldn't have been so bad if we'd gone down fighting but it was pathetic to watch.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Feb 20, 2015 9:22:42 GMT
Yes, but at least the dressing room is happy lol. Nothing to make me think £20 for Sky Sports for a month would be money well spent, so my decision not to bother is still looking good.
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Post by grandavefan on Feb 20, 2015 9:37:54 GMT
Joe says 20 years out of date. Not the ECB to blame, its the counties. The coaches are to blame. Pitches not good enough for a balanced game are ordered to be produced, 2nd rate overseas signings. NO faith in English own and young. They play them now and again, then pick experienced old safe players. The young then lose enthusiasm. Play them young, keep faith, it will pay off.
The ECB blame is for NOT allowing England players to play limited overs cricket. Because they sure as hell don't know how to play it when the get elevated to the England side. Is that because most don't play the game?
Too many dead beats in the England team. Bell, Bopara, Tredwell to name a few? The Lions, Trott, Parry (Whats he done), the list could go on.
Too many safe choices. Take a risk. Would Warner have made it in England? And McCullum? IMO Doubtful as 19 year olds under the restrictive views of all our safety first English coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 10:08:29 GMT
Yes, but at least the dressing room is happy lol. Nothing to make me think £20 for Sky Sports for a month would be money well spent, so my decision not to bother is still looking good. I doubt this dressing room is any happier than the one in Australia last winter. Losing teams that are getting consistently spanked and out-played seldom are and this lot deserve to be as miserable as their lousy performances. I agree with cp - Moeen, Ballance, Broad and Finn out Hales, Bopara, Jordan and Tredwell in v Scotland. If two or three of them put in performances against a lesser side, it will at least give them confidence for the rest of the competition because the players who have been so inept against Aus and NZ look traumatised. Sacking Morgan should take care of itself. He misses England's next ODI after the world cup ( v Ireland) because he will be playing in the IPL. There can be surely no case for reinstating him after that. And what has happened to Broad? Last night he looked like he'd lost it in body and mind, a terminal combination of Swann and Trott's ailments last winter. He simply could not seem to switch his head on. His batting was village green stuff, backing away towards the square-leg umpire. Atherton joked grimly that at least he was taking lbw out of the equation. He's not even worth national minimum wage at the moment. Perhaps Downton and company and pliant journos like Dobell will now shut up about how much "progress" we have made since Pietersen was rusticated. The truth is we have got worse. That's hardly surprising . There may have been good reasons why Pietersen, Trott and Cook were not picked. But they have 300 ODIs and almost 11,000 ODI runs between them and the idea that Ali, Ballance and Morgan could replace them overnight was always preposterous. A couple more points. (1) Morgan and Moores don't even get the basics right. Southee swung his way to seven wickets from one end. Boult - who usually gets more movement than Southee - got little or no swing at the other end. So when England come out to bowl, which end does Anderson operate from ? Yep, the end Boult had bowled from, while Broad and Finn get tanked from Southee's end. (2) When David Saker the bowling coach ruined Rankin, Tremlett and Finn last winter, there were calls for him to go. Yet in the end he was just about the only one of the coaching staff who was retained.Why??? Presumably he devises the plans that say Broad and Finn must bang it in short and carry on doing so, even when the ball is disappearing to the rope three or for times an over. Brainless. I think I actally hope Scotland beat us and Matt Machan gets a hundred. Because if we manage to beat the Scots, Morgan and Moores are going to claim it as a we-told-you-we-would-come-good triumph when it will be no such thing. |
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