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Post by moderator1 on Mar 9, 2015 12:09:59 GMT
Now that Bangladesh have beaten England and knocked them out of progression to the quarter-finals of the World Cup, what do members think should be the appropriate action to build a team capable of winning? Should we be calling for changes of selectors, coaches, captains, players? Maybe a new Managing Director of the ECB?
Up to three answers may be selected, and other suggestions will be viewed favourably if respondents send them in promptly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 12:41:55 GMT
Would have voted to replace ageing players but we've only got two - Anderson and Bell are the only players in the side who are over 28 years old.
England likely to go the other way and bring back Cook (30) and Trott (34).
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Post by flashblade on Mar 9, 2015 12:55:33 GMT
Why is there no option along the lines of "The ECB should place more emphasis on limited overs cricket by altering the county/tournament/fixture structure accordingly"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 13:04:20 GMT
Why is there no option along the lines of "The ECB should place more emphasis on limited overs cricket by altering the county/tournament/fixture structure accordingly" And no option along the line of "Carry on as we are." Might not be many votes for that. But you nerver know. Peter Moores' mum or Paul Downton might look in here...  |
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Post by moderator1 on Mar 9, 2015 13:04:50 GMT
Why is there no option along the lines of "The ECB should place more emphasis on limited overs cricket by altering the county/tournament/fixture structure accordingly" There is now. borderman - would you consider voting again as polls cannot be edited, they have to be reconstructed? Thank you. |
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Post by irishexile on Mar 9, 2015 13:15:05 GMT
The players didn't perform - simple as that. The players in the squad have played enough cricket to be able to think for themselves (or think as a team) during a match. They will have all played scenarios in practice or matches to improve skills.
It's not the coaching staff who were bowled out for nothing against NZ, or failed to manage a moderate chase against Bangladesh. Time for a good clear out and start again - four years till the next World Cup!
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Post by hhsussex on Mar 9, 2015 13:26:20 GMT
The players didn't perform - simple as that. The players in the squad have played enough cricket to be able to think for themselves (or think as a team) during a match. They will have all played scenarios in practice or matches to improve skills. It's not the coaching staff who were bowled out for nothing against NZ, or failed to manage a moderate chase against Bangladesh. Time for a good clear out and start again - four years till the next World Cup! Very true, but our coaches and managers make matters far worse by making portentous statements and then blaming statistics, or the misuse of staistics, or something to do with statistics, when they don't perform well! Best of luck to Ireland and all associated with the team, not least Ed Joyce. |
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Post by mrsdoyle on Mar 9, 2015 16:36:01 GMT
How about a captain who is English and will sing our National Anthem?
How about playing at No. 3 someone who plays at No. 3 for his county?
How about not treating some players as undroppable?
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Post by freddy838 on Mar 9, 2015 17:55:09 GMT
Even despite this, I think the only players I would totally get rid of are Bell, Anderson and Bopara. We need a new coach, preferably Jason Gillespie, and probably Root to captain in all cricket.
Roy, Vince, Hales, Root, Buttler, Ali, Stokes, Taylor, Billings, Ballance, Jordan, Finn, Woakes, Rashid, Mills, Footitt. They're probably the ones I'd look to build the team around and I think Morgan and Broad could come back in, it's important that whoever takes over from Moores gets those two playing properly again.
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Post by flashblade on Mar 9, 2015 18:48:59 GMT
I don't think we'll improve significantly until we are able to provide our best white ball players with the experience they need at the elite T20 level. That's where the best overseas players learn to compete at the top level. Ask Luke Wright.
We've got to the stage where several English players who are 'allowed' to put themselves up for the IPL auction are not being bid for - because they're not good enough.
The county structure is strangling the development of our white ball cricket. We must have our own high level T20 tournament and we must allow our best players the freedom to compete in the overseas elite tournaments. If that means re-shuffling the county championship, then so be it.
I hope Colin Graves has the will and the courage to shake up our old fashioned structure, which is no longer fit for purpose.
And lastly, I would ban anyone wearing a blazer.
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Post by flashblade on Mar 11, 2015 15:18:56 GMT
I'm a little surprised by the lack of response on this thread, which, after all, is THE Big Question facing English cricket. Here's a thoughtful article from Mark Nicholas: www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/847911.htmland another from BM's favourite Cricinfo scribe: www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/content/story/847397.htmland another from the BBC website www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31814432What these articles have in common is the desire to improve the performance of Cricket England. That is their common agenda.I sense that many cricket lovers have an agenda that is primarily about preserving the county structure/ fixture list that we currently enjoy. I think these two agendas are incompatible.English cricket is at a crossroads. Are we in danger of being paralysed by indecision that is born of a fear of leaving the past behind? Come on, Mr Graves and bang the necessary heads together. |
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Post by hhsussex on Mar 11, 2015 22:32:56 GMT
I'm a little surprised by the lack of response on this thread, which, after all, is THE Big Question facing English cricket. Here's a thoughtful article from Mark Nicholas: www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/847911.htmland another from BM's favourite Cricinfo scribe: www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/content/story/847397.htmland another from the BBC website www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31814432What these articles have in common is the desire to improve the performance of Cricket England. That is their common agenda.I sense that many cricket lovers have an agenda that is primarily about preserving the county structure/ fixture list that we currently enjoy. I think these two agendas are incompatible.English cricket is at a crossroads. Are we in danger of being paralysed by indecision that is born of a fear of leaving the past behind? Come on, Mr Graves and bang the necessary heads together. |
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Post by hhsussex on Mar 11, 2015 22:37:06 GMT
And for a classic bit of Mr-Facing-Both-Ways journalism, at once inciting reform and at the same time damning "populism" and urging "substantive" action, without specifying what that might mean, see Dobell's latest piece of justificatif here Professional shake-up is the key for England |
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Post by irishexile on Mar 12, 2015 11:15:04 GMT
The reason English players don't get picked in the IPL is they place their reserve value too high. Is this greed, or is it the fact that it has to be "worth their while" financially? I recall a couple of seasons ago Panesar was in the auction list with a $200K reserve. Really? Interesting that Paul Farbrace has come out today claiming that perhaps lack of use of stats might have been an issue... www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/cricket-world-cup/11466349/England-are-not-too-reliant-on-stats.-In-fact-we-use-them-less-than-other-teams-at-World-Cup-insists-Paul-Farbrace.html(sorry if the link doesn't work) I'm happy to defend the coaches on the WC debacle. Strikes me that they picked the best available squad - which it's clear is a mile away in quality to leading nations - the players underperformed, and having been stuffed in their first two games never got any momentum rolling to make a run to the QFs - the schedule meant that every group game from then on was almost a knockout game in itself. Whether the coaches confused matters I don't know, but I doubt you could blame Moores and Farbrace for not caring, or wanting the team to do well, and therefore helping them in any way they could to perform to their best. I wonder whether England should consider downgrading the squad on the flight home to economy, and offering their upgraded seats to England fans. Perhaps that might give the players a 24 hour reality check on how well looked after they really are! |
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Post by flashblade on Mar 12, 2015 11:37:12 GMT
"The reason English players don't get picked in the IPL is they place their reserve value too high.
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Whichever way you look at this, English players are generally valued significantly lower than other nation's top players. That's because they aren't very good at T20. And that's because they get virtually no experience of playing elite T20 cricket.
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