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Post by fraudster on Jun 1, 2014 9:13:04 GMT
Robbo and Joyce can't justify not picking Hatchett and Beer anymore, the gaps are there, unlike in the past. They both have good records in pretty much all forms at all levels played and have both done considerably better than many an outsider before or after them in the very few chances they have been given.
Beer was in the last Champ squad, no play, went to the seconds with Zaidi, got three wickets in a one innings match, scored a 30 odd, all this while Zaidi did nothing except get injured, and he still can't get in ahead of him. The 'kid' tag don't wash no more, they are in their mid twenties and unless the management think the seconds is not a viable route to the firsts, it's clearly personal.
The issue is with Robbo and Joyce who probably feel they need to justify their ill-judged signings by giving chance after chance to average players in their 30s. There's a youth issue, and a home-grown issue, Sussex is not a good place to be a young cricketer. Beer and Hatchett, and probably many after them, should be allowed to go out on loan for the rest of the season in an attemp to find another county - which is really sad. I'd rather us loan out Robbo and Joyce personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 9:40:30 GMT
and the excellent YOUNG Hobden in - eat your words fraud
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Post by fraudster on Jun 1, 2014 9:51:51 GMT
and the excellent YOUNG Hobden in - eat your words fraud That's bizarre - wasn't even in the sqaud. He's home-grown and young so some word eating to do but ultimately it's a massive kick in the teeth for Hatchett who has completely out bowled Hobden in the seconds. My main point remains, Hatchett and Beer should set sail. I see H-B gets the nod over Machan too, hmmm. I could be wrong but today's meant to be the best day weather-wise - think our single-mided bowl first approach is wrong today, but we'll see. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 1, 2014 9:55:07 GMT
hhs,
Most interesting, so what does that say about division 1 and 2 standards? Or are there better spinners playing
in division 2 as seam attacks are far more prevalent and emphasised in division 1?
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 1, 2014 10:50:51 GMT
Why no Machan and Beer / Hatchett? Hatchett has 16 wickets @ 17 for the seconds including 6-37 against Surrey and so deserved an opportunity. Hobden like Hatchett is an up and coming young seamer who has been bowling well in the seconds. Hopefully this will send a message to Grant, Sakande and Whittingham that if you perform in UCCE cricket which unfortunately these three haven't done this season, that your performances will be recognised.
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Post by fraudster on Jun 1, 2014 17:33:14 GMT
Well as predicted an utterly stupid decision to bowl first on what looks like being the best day for batting. We're so rigid, and with this batting line-up too. The wheels are coming off in my view.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 1, 2014 17:40:28 GMT
Have to agree pal, a quite mind boggling decision
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Post by grandavefan on Jun 1, 2014 18:08:54 GMT
The selections made today and those in the recent past have been all been very defensive. Imagination is required, faith in the talent available. Too many old men. The fielding is pedestrian and lacks energy and the bowling lacks any variation.
The coach might need to look in the mirror.
Regretably if a change in thought is not made I see a real battle on all fronts.
Tomorrow is another day.
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Post by flashblade on Jun 1, 2014 19:10:23 GMT
Have to agree pal, a quite mind boggling decision Yes, I was there for most of the day, and the Notts batsmen thoroughly enjoyed themselves. Now, Ed Joyce knows far more about cricket than I do - so I need someone (anyone, please!) to explain why he wanted to bowl first. He must have had a reason, even if it proved to be wrong! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 19:38:35 GMT
Day one of the last LVCC match, Sussex closed on 441-5.
Day one of this match , Notts closed on 408-5.
I think every person in the ground was astonished when it was announced Joyce had won the toss and had invited the opposition to make hay.
Felt very sorry for Hobden. He had real zip in his first spell - you could see that simply from how far back Prior stood to him.
He had the early encouragement of a couple of wickets. But then a pair of very wily old pros in Patel (who was a pleasure to watch) and Read decided to show him that he's now playing with the big boys. The way they took him apart was an act of brilliantly calculated brutality.
And I'm sorry to be disloyal, but on the evidence of what we saw today, I think I'd rather see the 35 years old Read play in the first test than Prior, at least as a stop gap while our man gets match sharp again. The fumble that pushed the ball on to the helmet parked behind him for five penalty runs was most unfortunate.
Decent crowd, and the birthday attractions were splendid (what a joy to see historic cars that might once have transported Ranji and Fry being driven round the outfield!). The problem was that today, the present couldn't quite live up to the glories of the past...
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Post by jonfilby on Jun 1, 2014 22:26:24 GMT
Have to agree pal, a quite mind boggling decision Yes, I was there for most of the day, and the Notts batsmen thoroughly enjoyed themselves. Now, Ed Joyce knows far more about cricket than I do - so I need someone (anyone, please!) to explain why he wanted to bowl first. He must have had a reason, even if it proved to be wrong! It has rained in Sussex for the past month and there has been little by way of sun to dry things up. As a result the pitch started damp. Ed thought that might be the best time to bowl. Its not rocket science but it is the explanation for the decision. |
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Post by jonfilby on Jun 1, 2014 23:35:06 GMT
The selections made today and those in the recent past have been all been very defensive. Imagination is required, faith in the talent available. Too many old men. The fielding is pedestrian and lacks energy and the bowling lacks any variation. The coach might need to look in the mirror. Regretably if a change in thought is not made I see a real battle on all fronts. Tomorrow is another day. Defensive?
Playing two fast bowlers that you expect to go at 4.5 an over? There are some words you could use but defensive is not one of them!
As far as imagination is concerned it has certainly been required in the slip cordon where Ben Brown is our fourth choice first slip! First choice would be CJ. Given him being unavailable we would like Matt to be there but he has to keep wicket because that is best for English cricket. So 3rd choice would be Rory but he has to move to 2nd slip, where more catches go, because Yards is injured and Rory becomes the best slipper we have. 4th choice Brownie who has rarely fielded slip in his life but later clings on to a great catch.
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 2, 2014 6:10:14 GMT
The selections made today and those in the recent past have been all been very defensive. Imagination is required, faith in the talent available. Too many old men. The fielding is pedestrian and lacks energy and the bowling lacks any variation. The coach might need to look in the mirror. Regretably if a change in thought is not made I see a real battle on all fronts. Tomorrow is another day. Defensive?
Playing two fast bowlers that you expect to go at 4.5 an over? There are some words you could use but defensive is not one of them!
As far as imagination is concerned it has certainly been required in the slip cordon where Ben Brown is our fourth choice first slip! First choice would be CJ. Given him being unavailable we would like Matt to be there but he has to keep wicket because that is best for English cricket. So 3rd choice would be Rory but he has to move to 2nd slip, where more catches go, because Yards is injured and Rory becomes the best slipper we have. 4th choice Brownie who has rarely fielded slip in his life but later clings on to a great catch.
But not that wet that we couldn't get over 400 runs in a day a fortnight ago, as borderman pointed out, and certainly no rain in the last few days. Given the quality of our pitches it was a very strange decision and one that Joyce must regret bitterly. Imagine the opportunities missed for a top order packed with strokeplaying batsmen to set an imposing first innings target and make things a little easier for our rather makeshift attack to have to defend. Instead we will be fielding out to something like 500, conscious that it will take a miracle for us to do better than draw this game while Notts surge ahead on points, and Broad and Siddle will have things exactly as they would like: plenty of runs to play with, firm pitch with the occasional ball keeping low, risk-taking batsmen having to take those risks earlier and less-prepared than they should be in order to catch up with this mountainous total. I don't agree with other comments about the fielding. The misses were frustrating but in at least two cases - Brown's second "drop" and Nash's magnificent effort on the boundary - if they had been held this board would have been full of praise for them for days. And the ground fielding was very good indeed almost until the end, when weariness and a sense of futility may have taken toll. Wright in particular was outstanding throughout, ceaselessly covering hundreds of yards, turning 4s into 2s and 2s into 1s. Hobden, too, worked really hard and showed a wonderful sense of urgency. It was a pity that his inexperience let him down as a bowler and Notts really capitalised on this, Patel in particular. All done now, and I hope that we can get into the tail early and decisively and then bat solidly and productively today, but I think we may all regret the missed opportunities and hope that Joyce and Robinson will learn from them and give encouragement to the team. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 7:32:09 GMT
Defensive?
Playing two fast bowlers that you expect to go at 4.5 an over? There are some words you could use but defensive is not one of them.
That's where we desperately miss Panesar. You can get away with playing two bowlers who go for 4.5 per over if Monty is bottling it up at the other end, bowling maidens and putting additional pressure on the batsmen to take even more risks against invitingly profligate seamers. Sadly Zaidi has been unable to fill that role in an experiment that has been tested to destruction and now appears to have been discarded. And for some reason Beer isn't trusted. So without the cutting edge of Jordan, there may be plenty more 400 + runs per day trouncings to come this season! |
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Post by jonboy on Jun 2, 2014 7:43:37 GMT
More worryingly, the usually metronomic Magoffin has himself been leaking runs recently. Without a front line spinner, I'm surprised that we haven't given Hatchet a run out as at least he'd add some left arm variation. His figures have been consistently impressive for the seconds as well.
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