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Post by hhsussex on May 29, 2014 9:39:57 GMT
It looks as if we may have to settle for 3 points for the abandonment against Middlesex, which would leave us 5th just ahad of Warwicks, albeit with a game in hand on those in front. Still wildly inconsistent play amongst all the leading teams in the 1st Division so there is plenty to play for, given fair weather. On that note, a generally better forecast for the game, and if there is no interruption on Sunday, a good day's fundraising and celebration for the 175th Anniversary. On the playing side, the Guardian reports that Prior has been sent to practice with Bruce French today and might play Blastball on Friday, though what that has to do with suitability for Test match wicket-keeping I don't know, unless England plan to pick an attack of medium-pacers and darts bowlers for him to stand up to against Sri Lanka. That means that the Notts game will be his last chance to put himself in the running for at least the 2 Sri Lankan Tests. Broad is supposed to be fit for the game and expected to prove his continued fitness; nice to know the County Championship is good for something other than sluicing and dredging for suits.  As to our team....some interesting performances in the Second XI match might produce some changed thinking. |
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Post by leedsgull on May 29, 2014 9:51:38 GMT
There are five points for a draw this season so a bit better than you thought
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Post by hhsussex on May 29, 2014 9:54:46 GMT
There are five points for a draw this season so a bit better than you thought True, but if no play, 3 for an abandonment. At the moment awaiting an inspection so maybe a chance, possibly even a bit of play and the opportunity for a batting or bowling point. If we got one point plus the draw it would put us level with Notts. |
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Post by deepfineleg on May 29, 2014 11:02:30 GMT
according to cricinfo:
21.2.6 If a match is abandoned without a ball being bowled, each side to score 5 points.
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Post by hhsussex on May 29, 2014 11:19:40 GMT
according to cricinfo: 21.2.6 If a match is abandoned without a ball being bowled, each side to score 5 points. Quite right and I can't think where it was that I saw three points for an abandonment! I'd still like the extra point to draw level with Notts though.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 11:46:38 GMT
It really should be three pts, don't you think?
It was wrong, in my view, for the ECB to increase it to five this season, thus reducing the incentive for winning a game to just 11 pts (even fewer if going for a result involves first innings declarations or forfeiture that sacrifice bonus points).
Despite this, the percentage of wins v draws in the first div isn't too terrible so far this season(roughly 55:45). But in div two where the much weaker bowling attacks make it harder to bring games to a conclusion, it's the other way round and 55 per cent of matches this season have ended in a draw.
If it is to be 5 pts for a draw or abandonment, my solution would be to increase the pts for a win from 16 to 18 to encourage sides to be bolder in taking a gamble in pursuit of victory. That would also slightly lessen the overall impact of bonus points on the tables as well.
I think it has become particularly necessary now that T20 batting exploits have started translating to improbably large and rapid fourth innings chases in the championship. This has made last day target-setting more and more cautious and my fear is that as a result, the per centage of dull fourth day draws is only going to go up. More incentive is needed for captains to take a risk - yet the ECB this season has reduced the incentive.
What do others feel?
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Post by fraudster on May 31, 2014 14:26:32 GMT
It should be three for the draw, except after a no bonus point abandonment, when it should be five or six, it what I think. Why is there only two sentences in six posts on a thread about the Snotts game, regarding the game? I've read the rules, don't make me call the Mod.
So here's our best team for this little doozie:
Nash
Wells
Yardy
Joyce
Prior
Wright
Piolet
Beer
Mags
Anyon
Hatchett
Tough on Brown and Machan but England will want Prior to keep, Machan don't bowl and both can come again. Need some decent weather and a win here, against a tough side.
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Post by fraudster on May 31, 2014 18:59:20 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 31, 2014 21:15:29 GMT
Be amazed Yardy will be playing due to his bicep injury last night. I agree about Beer. Time to look for another club. He should
take heart at Rayner's success away from Robbo. Brown should be in for his batting. Be interesting to see if Zaidi gets another
shout. My XI for what it's worth. Nash, Wells and RHB as the spin options. Difficult to know who should be 12th man.
JE Anyon
BC Brown
RJ Hamilton-Brown
EC Joyce (capt)
J Lewis
MW Machan
SJ Magoffin
CD Nash
SA Piolet
MJ Prior
LWP Wells
LJ Wright
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Post by hhsussex on May 31, 2014 21:48:18 GMT
Be amazed Yardy will be playing due to his bicep injury last night. I agree about Beer. Time to look for another club. He should take heart at Rayner's success away from Robbo. Brown should be in for his batting. Be interesting to see if Zaidi gets another shout. My XI for what it's worth. Nash, Wells and RHB as the spin options. Difficult to know who should be 12th man. JE Anyon BC Brown RJ Hamilton-Brown EC Joyce (capt) J Lewis MW Machan SJ Magoffin CD Nash SA Piolet MJ Prior LWP Wells LJ Wright Rayner's success: That would be this season's figures of 115-22-311-2-155.50? Just about as impressive as Hamilton-Brown and as irrelevant as Wells. Nash is a useful change bowler but not a containing bowler for any length of time. I'm afraid that we do have a basic weakness and Zaidi won't quite fill it, and in Robinson's eyes neither will Beer: we have no Panesar. Until we can get a proper spin bowler into the team we may have to juggle existing resources against the pitches we have to play on. If the wicket tomorrow is another un-relaid strip, expect to see Zaidi in for some long spells of just short of three an over. If it's a newer wicket, then Magoffin, Anton, Lewis and possibly Piolet will be trying to get every last bit of lift and bite from it before it dries. |
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Post by longhops on May 31, 2014 21:59:28 GMT
Just like to wish everyone at Sussex all the best as you celebrate 175 years of Sussex cricket tomorrow. Was hoping to come down, but family are involved in channel swim to raise funds for GOSH all day.(Channel swim in a local pool, not the real channel.)Am also packing for week away with 10-11 year olds in Wales! Hope you all have a great time and it is finished off with a Sussex win!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 22:15:44 GMT
I expect Zaidi to play. Apart from anything else, Magoffin, Lewis and Anyon get through their overs at such a pedestrian rate that he's needed to bowl long spells in order to prevent a pts deduction for slow over rate.
My problem with that is not so much that he is far from a prolific wkt taker; it's that he simply doesn't bowl maiden overs. Just 11 per cent of his overs have been maidens this season against 32 per cent for Panesar at Essex. Batsmen don't have to risk hitting him in the air to score. He seems to bowl three or four balls per over than can just be milked into the gaps for ones and twos.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 31, 2014 23:23:25 GMT
hhs,
A little unfair on Rayner. He was a tweak away from going on that Sri Lanka Lions tour back in February. And one can't forget
his bowling tally of 15 wickets for 118 against Surrey last September. He was the top English spinner county wicket taker in
division 1 last year too. Agreed though, this season he's been below par but bowling conditions aren't helping.
One feels Mark Robinson is facing a dilemma at present. There were concerns that Jordan might play more for England
this season but his progress has been faster than anyone expected. This leaves a gaping hole in the seam attack. Lewis was
signed to be a part-time replacement - not full-time. And as for Zaidi, who was always going to be a gamble, there is no sign
to date he can fill the Panesar void as borderman points out.
So what does Robbo do? Labour on with what he's got or take a gamble and try out Hatchett and Hobden, while finally throwing
Beer into the mix full-time? What are his options? I am not convinced yet by Zaidi. Robinson is giving him every chance, so
he'll probably play against Notts. Perhaps, gambles take time to mature?
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Post by jonboy on Jun 1, 2014 5:01:05 GMT
Didn't we give Zaidi a two year contract as well?
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 1, 2014 6:51:04 GMT
hhs, A little unfair on Rayner. He was a tweak away from going on that Sri Lanka Lions tour back in February. And one can't forget his bowling tally of 15 wickets for 118 against Surrey last September. He was the top English spinner county wicket taker in division 1 last year too. Agreed though, this season he's been below par but bowling conditions aren't helping. One feels Mark Robinson is facing a dilemma at present. There were concerns that Jordan might play more for England this season but his progress has been faster than anyone expected. This leaves a gaping hole in the seam attack. Lewis was signed to be a part-time replacement - not full-time. And as for Zaidi, who was always going to be a gamble, there is no sign to date he can fill the Panesar void as borderman points out. So what does Robbo do? Labour on with what he's got or take a gamble and try out Hatchett and Hobden, while finally throwing Beer into the mix full-time? What are his options? I am not convinced yet by Zaidi. Robinson is giving him every chance, so he'll probably play against Notts. Perhaps, gambles take time to mature? Spin conditions may not have been helpful to First Division bowlers but the converse seems to be true in the Second Division. The attached table shows all of the spinners in first class cricket this season who have taken 5 or more wickets, including the great hopefuls Borthwick and Moeen Ali, up to the games started this weekend. And who are the heroes? The mid- and late-thirties bowlers in Division Two, taking wickets and bowling economically. Exceptions to this rule being the interestingly-actioned Saeed Ajmal and young Riley of Kent. Attachments:2014 Spin Bowlers.xlsx (11.75 KB)
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