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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 17:23:21 GMT
Essex in the current match have given a f/c debut to a 20 year old slow left armer called Aron Nijjar.
He played earlier this season against Essex for Cardiff MCCU in a non f-c game and failed to impress with match figures of 1-188. Despite that he now gets in the Essex team ahead of Panesar, which would appear to speak volumes...
Panesar played one second XI game for Essex in April and then the first two CC matches, but hasn't played any cricket in the five weeks since.
I know hhsussex noses around sometimes on the Essex forum. Any indication over there what is going on, hh?
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 1, 2015 18:36:47 GMT
Essex in the current match have given a f/c debut to a 20 year old slow left armer called Aron Nijjar. He played earlier this season against Essex for Cardiff MCCU in a non f-c game and failed to impress with match figures of 1-188. Despite that he now gets in the Essex team ahead of Panesar, which would appear to speak volumes... Panesar played one second XI game for Essex in April and then the first two CC matches, but hasn't played any cricket in the five weeks since. I know hhsussex noses around sometimes on the Essex forum. Any indication over there what is going on, hh? No, can't enlighten you there borderman. Actually the Essex board is one of those funny closed shop thingies and I'm told they go in for lots of internecine bloodletting, so not one for me. On the Kim Jones Domestic Forum there is talk of a) Monty blotting his copybook for unspecified reasons and b) Going back to Northants. Neither statement is substantiated in any way so we will have to wait and see.
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 5, 2015 9:30:07 GMT
(Yet another) Mail Online story full of hints and surmises, but no definitive statements. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-3111523/Monty-Panesar-s-career-risk-former-Test-spinner-s-field-issues-deny-Essex-England-prized-asset.htmlIn fact the only positive statement here is from Neil Burns, who has been acting as a mentor to Panesar and other sportsmen and he says "‘Essex have been kind enough to give Monty time and space while he works out if this is still what he wants to do with his life. ‘He is feeling very positive at the moment and I’m confident he will be back playing cricket in the coming weeks. ‘The most important thing for any sportsman who has been through difficult times is to be happy and I’m quietly confident that Monty will come through this and become an even better cricketer.’
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Post by jonboy on Jun 5, 2015 9:44:50 GMT
Yes, it's all a little bit sad
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 5, 2015 13:47:08 GMT
Yes, it's all a little bit sad Not exactly my point. It would be sad if, for instance, somebody said that "Monty isn't being picked because he did blah-blah-blah and that is the end of his career". However nobody has come up with anything concrete, and in the meantime he seems to have been the star of the show yesterday,in a Bopara benefit match, if the scoreacrad can be believed. www.essexcricket.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Essex-v-Ravis-All-Stars-4th-June-2015.pdf
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 6, 2015 18:41:42 GMT
From another messageboard today: "There's what looks as if it could be an interesting article about Monty in The Times today, but of course that's subscription only. Anyone who perhaps buys the paper care to give a summary?"
borderman, you might be in a position to help here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 10:39:32 GMT
Monty taking an "indefinite break" from the game and is working with "a personal development manager" at the PCA. Issues said to be "not alcohol related" and Neil Burns says he hopes he will play again before the end of the season.
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Post by flashblade on Jun 10, 2015 10:41:31 GMT
Monty taking an "indefinite break" from the game and is working with "a personal development manager" at the PCA. Issues said to be "not alcohol related" and Neil Burns says he hopes he will play again before the end of the season. Per Cricinfo: www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/885847.html
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 10, 2015 12:24:54 GMT
Monty taking an "indefinite break" from the game and is working with "a personal development manager" at the PCA. Issues said to be "not alcohol related" and Neil Burns says he hopes he will play again before the end of the season. Per Cricinfo: www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/885847.htmlA revealing quote : "One of our PDMs [Personal Development Managers] is working on personal development stuff with him. 81% of current pros are doing similar," How much of the work of a PDM is to mentor a player who is having difficulties balancing out the compartmentalising of his life between being a professional sportsman and a private, unique individual? That the facility exists at all is a tribute to the way that the PCA has developed from being a modest Trades Union for old pros, and the way it has developed to embrace that approach would greatly please John Arlott, who did so much to set the Association up in the 60s - in the teeth of objections of the "It isn't needed, because counties always look after their pros" of the Swanton kind.
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 2, 2015 20:58:45 GMT
We are now getting close to a full understanding of why Panesar seems to have imploded. This article www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/02/monty-panesar-england-cricket-speak-openly-mental-illness?CMP=share_btn_tw doesn't go into details and perhaps the details don't need to be itemised. The point is that the man has been ill, may be unwell again, is trying to find a balance. He can be frustrating to spectators and lord knows that it must be much worse for highly trained and very focused athletes to share a dressing room - and a playing field - with someone who can't find the same relief in simple sporting excellence, but let's not forget how very good he has been, and how for three years Sussex relied on and were propelled to the heights by his determination, his control, his drift and his understanding of the fallibilities of batsmen. Good luck Monty. We all need you.
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Post by flashblade on Dec 2, 2015 21:09:06 GMT
We are now getting close to a full understanding of why Panesar seems to have imploded. This article www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/02/monty-panesar-england-cricket-speak-openly-mental-illness?CMP=share_btn_tw doesn't go into details and perhaps the details don't need to be itemised. The point is that the man has been ill, may be unwell again, is trying to find a balance. He can be frustrating to spectators and lord knows that it must be much worse for highly trained and very focused athletes to share a dressing room - and a playing field - with someone who can't find the same relief in simple sporting excellence, but let's not forget how very good he has been, and how for three years Sussex relied on and were propelled to the heights by his determination, his control, his drift and his understanding of the fallibilities of batsmen. Good luck Monty. We all need you. Yes, good luck, Monty. I'd love to see him play county cricket again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 22:59:12 GMT
"...he has wrestled with his illness in the past few years, his condition generally misunderstood by those who could only see the superficial outcomes."
One would assume that is a reference to Sussex? Those who were in charge of the cricket club at the time must ask themselves whether they can honestly say they dealt with somebody suffering from a mental illness in an humane and understanding way or if they were only concerned with the "superficial outcomes".
Many of us said at the time that we felt Panesar was being thrown to the wolves by Sussex when he was most in need of the club's support, so the above comment is not being made with the benefit of hindsight in response to the Guardian article.
Intriguing idea that he could be employed by the ECB and then 'loaned out' to play county cricket...he certainly won't be asking to be loaned out to Sussex after he was so badly let down by those whose support he should have been able to rely on. And the way a certain figure high up in the club conspired with a certain cricinfo muck-raker to trash Panesar's reputation was despicable. Both of them should hang their heads in shame for kicking a man when he was not only down but also ill.
It was the same journalist, by the way, who made such a song and dance over Trott's breakdown and picked a fight with Michael Vaughan and others, furiously insisting that Trott didn't have an illness and it was merely "bun-out".
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Post by flashblade on Dec 3, 2015 8:39:24 GMT
"...he has wrestled with his illness in the past few years, his condition generally misunderstood by those who could only see the superficial outcomes." One would assume that is a reference to Sussex? Those who were in charge of the cricket club at the time must ask themselves whether they can honestly say they dealt with somebody suffering from a mental illness in an humane and understanding way or if they were only concerned with the "superficial outcomes". Many of us said at the time that we felt Panesar was being thrown to the wolves by Sussex when he was most in need of the club's support, so the above comment is not being made with the benefit of hindsight in response to the Guardian article. Intriguing idea that he could be employed by the ECB and then 'loaned out' to play county cricket...he certainly won't be asking to be loaned out to Sussex after he was so badly let down by those whose support he should have been able to rely on. And the way a certain figure high up in the club conspired with a certain cricinfo muck-raker to trash Panesar's reputation was despicable. Both of them should hang their heads in shame for kicking a man when he was not only down but also ill. It was the same journalist, by the way, who made such a song and dance over Trott's breakdown and picked a fight with Michael Vaughan and others, furiously insisting that Trott didn't have an illness and it was merely "bun-out". Name and shame? Or is this public knowledge anyway?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 3, 2015 9:40:08 GMT
Bm,
I would be surprised the article is specifically referring to Sussex as the Club had dealt with Michael Yardy's depression in a compassionate way - a way that was greatly praised by both supporters and the media.
Perhaps, Panesar's illness is not so much depression but alcohol-related? And "if" that is the case, more of attending AA meetings and coming to terms with the person he actually is rather than the glorified cricketer once portrayed by the England fans and media.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 4, 2015 10:53:49 GMT
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