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Post by hhsussex on Oct 24, 2015 7:35:55 GMT
Alas for my ill-founded optimism. borderman had it exactly right, as I've just discovered,waking up to Buttler's flat-footed dismissal and reading about Bairstow's escapes. Yesterday Cook and Root looked capable of batting for the rest of the game, if they were so minded, but this morning England are battling to stay in the game and will probable be bowled out somewhere on Day 4 chasing 450 and getting 200.
Ali, Stokes and Rashid all have promise as all-rounders in different measures but none of them, despite Stokes' occasional flashes of genius, have done enough to argue consistently for a top 6 place. Bell's infuriating tendency of playing one or two commanding or supremely competent innings per series continues, but that is becoming increasingly upsetting to the structure of the side around him and surely cannot be allowed to continue.
That leaves the keeper, and like borderman , I can't see that either Buttler or Bairstow is doing anything other than go backwards. The analogy of Buttler with Jones is apt, because not only have his runs dried up but although he dresses like a wicketkeeper and takes up position like a wicketkeeper, Buttler's lack of positional sense, his inability to differentiate between the variety of lengths taken by different bowlers mean that he can only react to deliveries and shots played, not to anticipate them and find himself in the position to defend and save runs or to claim the aggressive catch. The same is true of Bairstow, a fine reactive fielder, but only a close fielder wearing big gloves when he is behind the stumps.
At the moment there doesn't seem to be another from that mould of "powerful batsmen who are worth their place as keepers": effectively the Prior gene. There certainly aren't any true keepers who can save 40 runs in extras and snicks a la Bob Taylor, even if we did accept their lack of runs. Probably the next best is Ben Brown, who is competent in both disciplines, but I wouldn't have called genuine Test class. Maybe the genius of coaching can inspire him to raise his game?
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Post by coverpoint on Oct 24, 2015 8:16:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 13:40:57 GMT
What a shocking day for England, summed up towards the end when Misbah nicked Stokes between keeper and first slip – Buttler would have needed to dive to take it one-handed but it was relatively routine at this level. Yet he didn’t even move as it flashed past for four (just as his feet didn't move when he batted). The poor chap is shot to bits and needs to be withdrawn from the firing line for his own good as well as the good of the team. Give Bairstow the gloves and bring in Taylor, who knows how to bat all day and can offer some ballast to a middle order that is otherwise dominated by one-day sloggers. As for the bowling, two specialist spinners getting milked, so Cook throws the ball to Root , who bowls three overs for 26. And although I'm quite a fan of the role of sledging in the game, watching 'Angry Man' Stokes swear at Misbah every single ball was pathetic. And to think when the radio woke me at 6.45 this morning, I heard Vaughan and Swann suggesting England were on target for a first innings lead of 100!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 14:09:03 GMT
Time for Dobell to relaunch his annual 'bring back Trott' campaign! on edit: and time for s&f and Piers Morgan to call for KP's return!!!
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Post by fraudster on Oct 24, 2015 15:22:24 GMT
Flintoff reckons this is the best England team ever. Mind you, he says he wouldn't swap any of them for that 2005 side so I'm not sure what logic he's using. Maybe the logic of a half-wit.
There's too many problem areas for this side to be considered even pretty good, let alone the best. I'm a big fan of Buttler but he's been poor for too long. Taylor in for him would be my only change for now I think. Taylor's a must really. I think Rashid and Ali are about right for now but by the time the SA tour starts it's clearly one or the other, with Hales opening. I think we should persevere with Rashid but a good old fashioned bowl-off over the next few games should sort that out.
I'm gonna put my life savings on a Pakistan win later, but what to do with my £75 winnings? Some flashy new pants maybe.
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Post by joe on Oct 24, 2015 17:35:36 GMT
I've found just the thing/thong!
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Post by coverpoint on Oct 25, 2015 10:07:17 GMT
Time for Hales, Patel and Taylor for Rashid (drop Ali to number 8), Bell and Buttler (give Bairstow the gloves)!
Bell tolls for Bell 8 No. of times Bell has made a duck or 1 in 19 inns since his last Test hundred. He had made 338 at 19.88 before this inns.
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Post by joe on Oct 25, 2015 10:46:29 GMT
Time for Hales, Patel and Taylor for Rashid (drop Ali to number 8), Bell and Buttler (give Bairstow the gloves)! Patel?? I don't think so. He's a poor excuse of an athlete and doesnt fit into the 'new' England approach. Agree Taylor to open, drop Ali down the order and lose Bell. Hales is another one day slogger, albeit a goodun, and wouldn't be any better than we've already got in these conditions. I think Rashid will come good, give him time.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 26, 2015 7:06:26 GMT
Stokes playing down every imaginable line but the right one against Yasir, seeming unable to comprehend not just the turn of the ball but the pitch of it. I have no problem with his being a dasher when on the attack, and failing sometimes because of that, but to have no defence at all is....indefensible.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 26, 2015 12:33:53 GMT
These 5th day finishes are fun:
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 26, 2015 12:55:26 GMT
Pakistan deserved to win. Not sure where England go from here but good to see Rashid gain his maiden 50. The so-called 'New England' batters like Stokes seem lost playing Test cricket - especially against quality spin - as hhs points out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 13:09:45 GMT
Pakistan deserved to win. Not sure where England go from here but good to see Rashid gain his maiden 50. The so-called 'New England' batters like Stokes seem lost playing Test cricket - especially against quality spin - as hhs points out. Didn't know Rashid had it in him, in terms of technique or temperament. Hats off to him; he's shown far more character than some of us gave him credit for. But Rashid's excellence emphasises how hopelessly unreliable England's middle order is after Root at four. It's astonishing how so many of New England's 'Fab Four' or 'Famous Five' or whatever the Clown Prince of Crincinfo dubbed them are now perilously close to being dropped. You have to come back to one very damning stat: Moeen Ali, Bairstow and Buttler have only ever scored one Test century between the three of them. I agree Stokes' batting looks lost at the moment, too. But at least he has double the number of Test centuries as the other three have mustered between them.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 26, 2015 13:42:39 GMT
Pakistan deserved to win. Not sure where England go from here but good to see Rashid gain his maiden 50. The so- called 'New England' batters like Stokes seem lost playing Test cricket as hhs points out. Not all Test cricket, but they desperately need to play against a wider range of bowling on pitches that don't just conform to the "Bit of juice for the seamers on the first morning then slower and lower till the last day when they dust off the spinner" variety. Stokes is a good attacking bat who will make many runs, but it could take him years to work out how to change his game if all he plays on are English Test match wickets and a few county pitches that ape the same behaviour. The good techniques in this team belong to Cook, Root, Bell (with massive qualifications because he knows how to do it but seems to forget himself too often) and Rashid, his first innings slog being for now forgotten. It is possible that Moeen Ali would have played the spinners well if he had gone in at 6 or below, remembering how he played against Herath at Headingley last year. Nothing that I've seen of Hales, who doesn't usually open for Notts in Championship games, suggests that he would be any better. I would hesitate to suggest Taylor against the Australian attack on bouncy wickets, and perhaps also South Africa, but he really should come in for the next Test so that we can see how he has developed since his short-lived run in 2012. A middle order of Bell, Taylor, Root, Mooen Ali and Rashid - regardless of the sacrificial lamb to open with Cook - followed by Bairstow and the bowlers might be a more solid option for now. It won't do for South Africa, and the spin bowling clearly is not of sufficient class to attack and maintain control in the way that Pakistan have done but the faster bowlers have regularly made inroads in these games and if they have a decent score to bowl to then there is certainly enough fighting spirit in the side for them to create a different kind of pressure. Longer term some things must change if we are going to continue to play Test cricket. Our county competitions don't offer variety in the pitches or the type of bowling, and the players carry a weight of expectation that they are unlikely to fulfil. A sensible solution has to be found to accommodate the dynamic T20 competition that will bring in fresh hearts and fresh wallets into the game, and to revitalise the moribund championship and start to produce rounded cricketers, not afraid to attack but who have sound techniques to build from. Is it surprising that the runaway winners should be a team with excellent seam bowling, a little short of the highest pace, a classic 4th day spinner, and a batting line up that seems impregnable until, one by one, their lack of technique is found out by true international bowlers? It is not a model for a winning Test side, any more than the messy fixture list is a model for attracting new interest to this lovely, ailing game.
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Post by fraudster on Oct 26, 2015 19:37:44 GMT
I've found just the thing/thong! Yes yes and yes again. But I already have 100 pairs in the gift shop - good sellers. Good bit of scrap from England I think. Stokes may be better attacking than defending but he still lasted 60 odd balls and, well what would you rather be HH, or anyone. They said it would be their toughest challenge and they were right, but they're one down with one to play, which is already an improvement on the last time, and they should have and would have won the first one if more people were sane. Some changes needed though - we all know what they are.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 30, 2015 7:30:10 GMT
One definite change for the 3rd Test ( www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2015-16/content/story/934963.html ): Mark Wood rested for "management" of his chronic ankle injury, just as he was rested in the Ashes series. Wood has bowled very nicely at times - and batted very responsibly indeed in the last Test - but without quite suggesting that he is the answer to any really burning questions. With Finn back home and the pitch reportedly near-terminally inert, the choice is between Plunkett, Patel and CJ. Can't think that there is much sense in having a bang-it-in bowler on an airstrip, and poor old Samit doesn't have much to recommend himself at Test level, so probably CJ for his superb slip fielding, gutsy attitude....and doubtless to go 1-100 and be dropped thereafter.
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