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Post by mrsdoyle on Apr 3, 2016 17:20:09 GMT
What a shame, we were down and out at the half way point and pulled it back so well, reminded me of the Lords final I went to against Lancashire when our score was woefully short, (and Chris Adams had several attempts at getting himself run out before finally succeeding,) but we bowled beautifully, esp Kirtley and won. I was hoping for a similar outcome but still, we have come a long way in a year. Well done England.
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Post by hhsussex on Apr 3, 2016 17:21:04 GMT
Wow - that semi was the match of the tournament.
But what was Dhoni doing giving the final over to a non-bowler like Kohli, who before today had bowled just 21 overs in 42 T20 internationals, instead of trusting Ashwin, the best off-spinner in world cricket,who still had two overs in the bag? A bonkers hunch, and the sort of irrational decision that in the hothouse atmosphere of Indian cricket will probably be enough to get him sacked... Fantatstic final in the offing, though - the most improved side in the tournament against the most experienced bunch of T20 global mercenaries in the world. And trumped by a classic final game, full of twists and turns and the sound of pundits tripping over themselves as they smugly proclaim that " this over is decisive". I think the first of these pronouncements was when Morgan was out, and then again after Root's first over, and finally after Jordan bowled. A shame for CJ who has come out very well from this tournament with a new and unexpected reputation, and a shame for many of the England side who are learning quickly about this new game, and will continue to innovate after they have forgotten these disappointments, and after Morgan has been replaced as captain and batsman. Great day for West Indies, with both teams triumphant and deservedly so. It would be such a pleasure to see a strong West Indies side again, respected and admired, and naturally I would hope to see this reproduced in Test cricket. If they don't do so, but continue to dominate the T20 game then it really will be a sign that the game has made that transition to a new format. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 17:32:39 GMT
I feared England would lose the minute the West Indian women won this morning - the Caribbean is such a macho place that the men would have had to go into exile if they hadn't matched them!
England did well to get as far as they did.I didn't think we would get out of the group stage because the bowling attack was such rubbish. But Bayliss/Farbrace/Gibson got the bowling plans worked out and the bowling really came good after the shambles of the first two games - right up until that last nightmare over from Stokes. No locker door or plate glass window in the dressing room is going to be safe from Stokes' fist tonight, I fear...
But I would think Jordan is almost as distraught as Stokes. He bowled that 19th over so brilliantly and must have thought the game was won - only for the indiscipline of the ginger one to throw it away.
Can we have a new captain, though, please? Morgan is the weakest link in the batting line-up by far. Can't rember the last time he played a match-winning innings and Willey is currently a better bet to get runs at 9/10 than the captain is at number four...
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 3, 2016 17:58:10 GMT
Am feeling as deflated as a used condom right now.
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Post by flashblade on Apr 3, 2016 17:59:09 GMT
Wow - that semi was the match of the tournament.
But what was Dhoni doing giving the final over to a non-bowler like Kohli, who before today had bowled just 21 overs in 42 T20 internationals, instead of trusting Ashwin, the best off-spinner in world cricket,who still had two overs in the bag? A bonkers hunch, and the sort of irrational decision that in the hothouse atmosphere of Indian cricket will probably be enough to get him sacked... Fantatstic final in the offing, though - the most improved side in the tournament against the most experienced bunch of T20 global mercenaries in the world. And trumped by a classic final game, full of twists and turns and the sound of pundits tripping over themselves as they smugly proclaim that " this over is decisive". I think the first of these pronouncements was when Morgan was out, and then again after Root's first over, and finally after Jordan bowled. A shame for CJ who has come out very well from this tournament with a new and unexpected reputation, and a shame for many of the England side who are learning quickly about this new game, and will continue to innovate after they have forgotten these disappointments, and after Morgan has been replaced as captain and batsman. Great day for West Indies, with both teams triumphant and deservedly so. It would be such a pleasure to see a strong West Indies side again, respected and admired, and naturally I would hope to see this reproduced in Test cricket. If they don't do so, but continue to dominate the T20 game then it really will be a sign that the game has made that transition to a new format. Well, that was fantastic entertainment, and should (but probably won't) silence the dinosaurs who insist it isn't proper cricket. You would never get a crowd as big as that, or a TV audience as big as that, for a test match played in a neutral country. A lot of test matches don't even attract crowds when the home country is playing! I love test cricket, but if you want cricket to be popular with large global audiences, it has to be T20. It's now part of the entertainment industry, whereas test cricket isn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 18:20:26 GMT
Wow. Didn't think anything could top Brathwaite's four sixes. Then I just tuned in to the Archers ....and Helen has stabbed Rob to death with a kitchen knife. My heart is racing so fast I think I need to go and lie down!
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Post by flashblade on Apr 3, 2016 18:24:41 GMT
Wow. Didn't think anything could top Brathwaite's four sixes. Then I just tuned in to the Archers ....and Helen has stabbed Rob to death with a kitchen knife. My heart is racing so fast I think I need to go and lie down! Me too - what an episode!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 19:50:25 GMT
Phew, I've just about recovered. But Rob was a nasty, manipulative piece of work who had it coming.
Morgan's post-match comments rather irritated me. He said that "if this group of players can stay together for a few years we can go on to even greater things."
Such loyalty may be admirable but it isn't the way to true greatness. You do what Alex Ferguson always did - win the league and then assess who you get rid of and who you bring in to become even better. I don't want this group of players to "stay together for a few years". I want England to unearth at least one or two new players every season who can come in and do an even better job - just as Morgan himself is the only survivor of the 15 players in England's world cup squad from six years ago. That's 14 new players introduced in six years and the process of renewal cannot suddenly be frozen - as Morgan seemed to suggest - just because they got to a T20 world cup final.
Fortunately, I think Bayliss understands this and knows that the insular Morgan mentality is what led to the disaster of the Ashes whitewash down under.
Morgan needs to go and Vince should be given a chance. The other player whose role in the side is unclear and therefore open to question is Moeen Ali. Is he a frontline spinner (in which case why didn't he bowl?) Or is he a batter (in which case he's as big a flop as Morgan)? Can someone else come in and do a better job?
Here's what Dan Lucas in The Guardian has to say about Moeen tonight:
"Moeen is, ostensibly, in the England side as an all-rounder, though whether he is a batting or bowling one is anyone’s guess. He was not called upon to turn his arm over even as Marlon Samuels serenely guided his side towards victory. If that can be excused then his second-ball duck cannot. In 15 Twenty20 international innings to date, Moeen has departed without scoring six times. A duck every three matches is woefully unacceptable for a top-seven batsman. He averages 14.3 with a moderate strike-rate of 117 and it is ludicrous that he bats two places above David Willey, who has a 40-ball T20 hundred to his name. Moeen’s strike rate with the ball is 20, which is excellent, and makes up for his poor economy. But his role in the team is unclear."
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Post by joe on Apr 4, 2016 10:22:29 GMT
Very encouraging to see 4 England players in the team of the tournament with our man Fiz named as 12th man.
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Post by flashblade on Apr 4, 2016 11:18:28 GMT
Very encouraging to see 4 England players in the team of the tournament with our man Fiz named as 12th man. Where did you see this, Joe? Can't find it on CricInfo, but it might be my dodgy minces! |
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Post by hhsussex on Apr 4, 2016 11:27:27 GMT
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Post by flashblade on Apr 4, 2016 11:43:14 GMT
Vaughan includes 4 English players - Roy, Root, Buttler and Willey |
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Post by joe on Apr 4, 2016 11:44:29 GMT
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Post by flashblade on Apr 4, 2016 11:59:31 GMT
Thanks, Joe. Both lists include the same 4 English players. |
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Post by hhsussex on Apr 4, 2016 12:20:23 GMT
Thanks, Joe. Both lists include the same 4 English players. But Vaughan doesn't include Mr Fizz, even as Twelfth man, although he produced remarkable figures in all the games he played. Thinking of the English players involved, I doubt whether anyone would contest the inclusion of Root and Buttler, but Roy had as many successes as failures - and his failure in the final was highly significant in not giving England the twenty or so runs they needed to make the platform secure - and Willey improved but may have been a bit flattered by his figures. I would seriously argue that Jordan was, along with the performances of the others mentioned, the reason why England reached the final, and his last over, against the pumped up West Indian opposition, was some of the very best bowling of the tournament. It should have ensured the match for England, but Stokes let the occasion and the sledging get to him, and Brathwaite rode his luck. Jordan should be recognised as one of the most significant T20 players around today for his fielding, of course, and that much greater control and acument he has shown at final overs bowling. |
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