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Post by hhsussex on Feb 22, 2016 14:13:58 GMT
Slightly surprising to find we have no thread for discussion of Chris Nash in the two years this forum has been afloat, but perhaps, thinking about the dying fall of this article ( www.alloutcricket.com/cricket/features/the-shire-brigade-chris-nash) tracing his career with Sussex - but no further - it is only to be expected. Nash is the epitome of the modern county pro; he is fit, he enjoys life outside the game, he seems to be popular with his teammates but on the rre occasions when destiny casts its shadow over him, as for instance when he was picked for an England Performance squad and broke his thumb, or more recently, when Joyce/Robinson made him vice-captain, something has held him back and ultimately set him back down again. It may be a lack of self-belief: he talks in the article about having "hit a roadblock" at 17 and not getting a deal to progress from the Sussex Academy or the England age-group sides. Yet he has bounced back from all of these setbacks and made himself a good career, always promising entertainment and sometimes both promising and achieving more. Now that the Inland Revenue are clamping down on benefits , and Sussex will be awarding theirs to the Sussex Cricket Foundation this year ( www.sussexcricket.co.uk/news-1/foundation-sussex-cricket-charity-to-benefit-from-2016-fundraising), he probably will never have a chance of one, and yet he is precisely the sort of player who would have been most deserving in the great days of the county game; the players who will never play for England, don't quite do enough to get into the overseas tournaments, yet contribute enormously to the strength of their county teams and to the enjoyment of spectators. |
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Post by burgesshill on Feb 22, 2016 15:07:30 GMT
A player can still have a benefit. It's just that he will have to pay tax (I assume at 40%)
If I give £10 to a player I want to give him £10- not £6 to the player and £4 to George Osborne.
The trouble is international players running their benefits like a business, and making huge sums.
The ordinary player who has just a few doos and 'pass the hat round' shouldn't have been caught up in this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 18:00:12 GMT
Nice words from hh about the incalcuable worth of loyal county pros like Nash.
But the benefit system should not just be taxed; it should be abolished.
The modern day county journeyman does pretty well. Nash roars around Hove in a very expensive sports car, he gets to spend a lot of his winters Down Under or in South Africa and has a very comfortable lifestyle with lots of perks and will walk into a well paid job when he finishes playing. ( And it sounds like he wants to join his old mate Hopkinson on the coaching staff - “I see the same faces I have done for 25 years when I walk through the gates. It’s where I’ve been all my life, and it’s where I want to be in the future” : a phrase that actually encapsulates everything that's strangling the life out of Sussex cricket, but that's a topic for another thread).
Benefits belonged in the day when the pro cricketer relied on them for a nest egg that would provide an income when their playing days were over. Maurice Tate bought a pub with his benefit, I think, and was the landlord at hostelries in both Mayfield and Wadhurst. Back in the 1930s retired pros who were less fortunate and never got a benefit might end up not as pub landlords but as scorecard sellers.
Even if he never gets a benefit, I really can't see Nash ever having to pull pints let alone sell scorecards for a living ...
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Post by flashblade on Feb 22, 2016 18:13:55 GMT
Nice words from hh about the incalcuable worth of loyal county pros like Nash. But the benefit system should not just be taxed; it should be abolished. The modern day county journeyman does pretty well. Nash roars around Hove in a very expensive sports car, he gets to spend a lot of his winters Down Under or in South Africa and has a very comfortable lifestyle with lots of perks and will walk into a well paid job when he finishes playing. ( And it sounds like he wants to join his old mate Hopkinson on the coaching staff - “I see the same faces I have done for 25 years when I walk through the gates. It’s where I’ve been all my life, and it’s where I want to be in the future” : a phrase that actually encapsulates everything that's strangling the life out of Sussex cricket, but that's a topic for another thread).Benefits belonged in the day when the pro cricketer relied on them for a nest egg that would provide an income when their playing days were over. Maurice Tate bought a pub with his benefit, I think, and was the landlord at hostelries in both Mayfield and Wadhurst. Back in the 1930s retired pros who were less fortunate and never got a benefit might end up not as pub landlords but as scorecard sellers. Even if he never gets a benefit, I really can't see Nash ever having to pull pints let alone sell scorecards for a living ... Well, I've been pretty outspoken about this for ages, but I've never had the luxury of a separate thread! Do we deserve one, Mr Mod? |
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Post by joe on Feb 27, 2016 9:05:39 GMT
Signed a new three year extension to remain with Sussex till the end of 2018, good news.
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Post by fraudster on Feb 28, 2016 15:47:12 GMT
Mr 30 odd, in no time. The most consistently inconsistent player we have. I like him though. He sounded very happy and settled after arriving at number four in an interview last season - presumably he's penciled in for that spot this year, meaning Taylor at five and Finch getting an arse as numb as Will Beer's.
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Post by Don Tmatter on Apr 16, 2016 15:05:03 GMT
Reading between the lines,sounded pretty peeved at not getting the captaincy in Argus article last week. Should he have been given it or was it a sweetener to keep Luke Wright at the club?
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Post by sweatypalms on Jul 5, 2016 21:27:40 GMT
Did anyone catch up with Chris Nash's Brexit tweets recently?
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 6, 2016 5:58:24 GMT
Did anyone catch up with Chris Nash's Brexit tweets recently? Yes, very funny and to the point. |
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 3, 2016 12:45:41 GMT
Good to see that Chris Nash's service to the club, absolutely vital this year especially, has been recognised by the award of a Testimonial year next season. www.sussexcricket.co.uk/news-1/testimonial-chris-nash-granted-testimonial-year-with-sussex-cricketA Testimonial used to be defined against a Benefit as the proceeds from one match only, compared with the benefit accruing from various events and collections, but the write up suggests the latter. Is there a reason why the wording has been changed, and does it have to do with new regulations adopted by the Inland Revenue, I wonder? Any experts who could tell us? |
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Post by leedsgull on Oct 3, 2016 14:45:54 GMT
I think you may have hit on something here hh. Paul Collingwood has also just been awarded a Testimonial.
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Post by flashblade on Oct 3, 2016 14:59:33 GMT
From HMRC's website (my underlining):
"Legislation is introduced in Finance Bill 2016 to amend ITEPA to clarify the law in this area and confirm that income arising from a non-contractual or non-customary sporting testimonial or benefit for an employed sportsperson is liable to income tax. Legislation will also be introduced before April 2017 to deal with certain consequential amendments for income tax and to set out the NICs position.
The changes to ITEPA will also include the introduction from 6 April 2017 of a one-off exemption of £100,000 from Income Tax, and corresponding legislation will be introduced for NICs. This will apply to income from a non-contractual or non-customary testimonial being paid to or on behalf of an employed sportsperson. The exemption will apply to income arising from relevant events held in a maximum period of 12 calendar months only, beginning with the date the first event is held in a ‘testimonial year’, even if that year straddles more than one tax year.
If the level of the income arising from the testimonial or testimonial year falls below the value of the exemption, the amount of the unused exemption will not be available to carry forward to a future sporting testimonial or benefit match for the sportsperson, or against any other testimonial events held after the end of that 12 month period.
Any non-contractual or non-customary testimonial events held on or after 6 April 2017 from a testimonial that is awarded or arranged for a sportsperson prior to 25 November 2015 will fall within existing arrangements."
My comment: The word "testimonial" is used throughout this new legislation, and in order to take advantage of the £100,000 exemption, it's obviously prudent for clubs to adopt this word, to avoid any arguments.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 23, 2017 19:12:29 GMT
I have some BAD news. I was informed this evening that Chris Nash left Sussex CCC today.  Where he's gone and why will no doubt come out through official channels this week. Farewell Chris - I particularly enjoyed your dazzling T20 performances this season |
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Post by jonboy on Oct 23, 2017 19:38:54 GMT
I have some BAD news. I was informed this evening that Chris Nash left Sussex CCC today. Where he's gone and why will no doubt come out through official channels this week. Farewell Chris - I particularly enjoyed your dazzling T20 performances this seasonThis is disastrous news What the hell is going on at our club |
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Post by jonboy on Oct 23, 2017 19:46:50 GMT
But he's under contract, how can this happen We've lost our best bowler, and now one of our best batsmen |
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