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Post by hhsussex on May 27, 2016 14:58:50 GMT
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Post by jonboy on May 27, 2016 15:02:17 GMT
we really needed to sign a seam bowler who could bat in the top six. Well every team would love one of those. But how many can you name in English cricket? Stokes. Woakes...after that you're struggling, other than naming players who are primarily batsmen but bowl medium-pace dibbly-dobblers that nibble off the seam a bit in helpful conditions (Ryder, Stevens, Bopara etc) ... Overseas? Bravo, maybe. Faulkner... But a genuine seam bowler who can also bat in the top six is actually the rarest breed in cricket... Personal preference, would have been Faulkner in an ideal world, but I'm sure there were other options. Even one of those dibbly dobblers would have been OK, as we are probably talking about someone who would bowl fourth change. Domestically, it's difficult, as you say, there aren't many options, and those who become available, are in demand. Having said that, look through the counties, and most are able to include a front line bowler in their top six, whether that be a seamer, or a spinner. It makes all the difference when trying to find the right balance. Young Thakor of Derbyshire is someone I'd have liked to have brought to Hove, and I actually believe we tried to get him to come, but he wanted to stay in the East Midlands |
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Post by hhsussex on May 27, 2016 15:11:15 GMT
Well every team would love one of those. But how many can you name in English cricket? Stokes. Woakes...after that you're struggling, other than naming players who are primarily batsmen but bowl medium-pace dibbly-dobblers that nibble off the seam a bit in helpful conditions (Ryder, Stevens, Bopara etc) ... Overseas? Bravo, maybe. Faulkner... But a genuine seam bowler who can also bat in the top six is actually the rarest breed in cricket... Personal preference, would have been Faulkner in an ideal world, but I'm sure there were other options. Even one of those dibbly dobblers would have been OK, as we are probably talking about someone who would bowl fourth change. Domestically, it's difficult, as you say, there aren't many options, and those who become available, are in demand. Having said that, look through the counties, and most are able to include a front line bowler in their top six, whether that be a seamer, or a spinner. It makes all the difference when trying to find the right balance. Young Thakor of Derbyshire is someone I'd have liked to have brought to Hove, and I actually believe we tried to get him to come, but he wanted to stay in the East Midlands I was a bit confused too. I've always assumed you were talking about a genuine all-rounder and agree with borderman that breed is very rare. If you're talking about a 4th change bowler and you instance the medium-pace Thakor then I don't think that offers any advantage over a) Wells, who is beginning to look like a genuine spinner, and can bat well, though frustratingly, not always when it matters b) Robinson, who at his best bowling of last year mixed with his batting in recent games, promises to fill the gap left by Martin-Jenkins |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 27, 2016 16:05:25 GMT
This is turning into a soap opera - will he... won't he? Sounds like the road to recovery will be slower than hoped for. Perhaps, this Forum should take bets on when he'll return? I can't see next Wednesday or Friday, but perhaps, the T20 against Kent on June 10th?
Great sympathies for Wright and Davis. This must be such a frustration.
From 3 hours ago
Luke Wright @lukewright204
So good finally using my bat again today. Only low level but back felt good. More over the weekend.
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Post by jonboy on May 27, 2016 23:01:10 GMT
Personal preference, would have been Faulkner in an ideal world, but I'm sure there were other options. Even one of those dibbly dobblers would have been OK, as we are probably talking about someone who would bowl fourth change. Domestically, it's difficult, as you say, there aren't many options, and those who become available, are in demand. Having said that, look through the counties, and most are able to include a front line bowler in their top six, whether that be a seamer, or a spinner. It makes all the difference when trying to find the right balance. Young Thakor of Derbyshire is someone I'd have liked to have brought to Hove, and I actually believe we tried to get him to come, but he wanted to stay in the East Midlands I was a bit confused too. I've always assumed you were talking about a genuine all-rounder and agree with borderman that breed is very rare. If you're talking about a 4th change bowler and you instance the medium-pace Thakor then I don't think that offers any advantage over a) Wells, who is beginning to look like a genuine spinner, and can bat well, though frustratingly, not always when it matters b) Robinson, who at his best bowling of last year mixed with his batting in recent games, promises to fill the gap left by Martin-Jenkins I wish, a genuine all rounder is exactly what's needed, but I was talking about how we might fit Briggs into the side. If the plan was, to include him no matter what the conditions were, then we really need to include a fifth bowler. Could that bowler be Wells? I'm not sure, but if we consider Wells a front line bowler now, could we envisage a five man attack featuring two spinners? |
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Post by nemmo on May 27, 2016 23:28:49 GMT
When we next play Finch in the county championship would it not be worth throwing him the ball for a few overs to see how he does? He bowls for the seconds a lot and if he can mature into a Collingwood-esque all rounder then it would be most helpful
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Post by jonboy on May 27, 2016 23:34:03 GMT
When we next play Finch in the county championship would it not be worth throwing him the ball for a few overs to see how he does? He bowls for the seconds a lot and if he can mature into a Collingwood-esque all rounder then it would be most helpful An idea yes, but we need to get him bowling a lot more for the seconds, then he may well solve the problem |
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Post by hhsussex on May 28, 2016 7:09:40 GMT
A plaintive tweet from Derbyshire chairman Chris "Never at a loss for words" Grant
Christopher Grant @dcccchair 6h6 hours ago
Unbelievably poor scheduling that we have to play again in under 9 hours time having just arrived at the hotel! Simply ludicrous
Clearly not a man to be nostalgic about the old days of twice-weekly 3 day championship games with all the travel that ensued. Still he could learn from this and understand why interspersing T20 with other competitions from May to July was always a disastrous idea. "Appointment to view", anyone?
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Post by fraudster on May 28, 2016 7:11:14 GMT
F**k me, Finch is not gonna solve that problem.
We've been playing two spinners for most the season it's just that the one that sometimes takes wickets hardly got the ball and the the one that never gets wickets bowled more overs than any other bowler - that's one of the reasons we haven't won yet. Who has got more wickets and runs for the seconds out of Beer and Briggs, I wonder?
Where's Garton? You need to play your best four bowlers in a four man attack. Runs down the order are a bonus, the onus (that rhymed) is 100% on the top seven for runs when you play six batters and a keeper otherwise you are masking over issues. They'll still chip in. No number eight should be in the team for his batting.
Briggs shouldn't be anywhere near the four-day team right now. Briggs and Robinson to miss out on this squad.
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Post by hhsussex on May 28, 2016 7:50:43 GMT
F**k me, Finch is not gonna solve that problem. We've been playing two spinners for most the season it's just that the one that sometimes takes wickets hardly got the ball and the the one that never gets wickets bowled more overs than any other bowler - that's one of the reasons we haven't won yet. Who has got more wickets and runs for the seconds out of Beer and Briggs, I wonder?Where's Garton? You need to play your best four bowlers in a four man attack. Runs down the order are a bonus, the onus (that rhymed) is 100% on the top seven for runs when you play six batters and a keeper otherwise you are masking over issues. They'll still chip in. No number eight should be in the team for his batting. Briggs shouldn't be anywhere near the four-day team right now. Briggs and Robinson to miss out on this squad. The answer is that neither has covered himself in glory. Adding together the second eleven championship, trophy and T20 games so far this year the totals are Beer played 6, 185 runs, 6 wickets for 223 Briggs played 3, 24 runs, 2-91 |
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Post by hhsussex on May 28, 2016 8:03:26 GMT
Just a reminder of where we are, and that Northants v Essex, Kent v Leics and Worcs v Gloe are all being played over the next few days, and then nothing until late June, so that the very best we can get out of this fixture would leave us no better than 5th. |
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Post by joe on May 28, 2016 8:34:28 GMT
Surprised Garton not named in the squad, my guess is that he'll be fresh legs for the T20 on Wed with Mills, Beer, Briggs and Wiese ( Jordan will be rested by the ECB and Fizz will be back in the arms of his family )
Nash
Joyce
Machan
Taylor
Wells
Finch
Brown
Robinson
Shahzad
Magoffin
Whittingham
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Post by flashblade on May 28, 2016 9:46:53 GMT
Sussex won toss and elected to field. Presumably, Derbyshire wanted to bat first, anyway?
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Post by joe on May 28, 2016 9:55:22 GMT
Sussex won toss and elected to field. Presumably, Derbyshire wanted to bat first, anyway? Drizzle in the air and overcast , definately bowl first conditions. Surprised Derby went for the toss. |
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Post by hhsussex on May 28, 2016 9:59:29 GMT
Delayed start and currently tipping it down - square covered. Derbys to bat and Sussex bowling Robinson Shahzad Magoffin Whittinhgam. The right choice fir the conditions - if and when!
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