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Post by hhsussex on Jul 2, 2014 14:23:28 GMT
The squad for the 1st Test at Nottingham 9-13 July
Cook Ali Anderson Ballance Bell Broad Jordan Plunkett Prior Robson Root Stokes Woakes
No surprises, and unless there are injury/tiredness fears about Broad or Anderson, the choice is now Jordan, Woakes or Stokes. Jordan batted very competently against Sri Lanka, fielded well apart from one bad and uncharacteristic miss at Headingley, which may be held against him far more than Prior's sloppy display in the same match, and bowled without much luck,particularly at Headingley where he was treated as a stock bowler by the uninspired Cook. This may be the issue to determine selection at Nottingham: which of the three is more likely to perform well as the uncomplaining workhorse? I could be controversial and suggest this suits Woakes much more than either our own or Durham's short, sharp shock purveyor. However, I think that Stokes will probably get the nod, on current wicket-taking form, and Jordan will probably be held back against injuries for the Lords Test almost immediately following (17-21 July). This will almost certainly mean that we won't see him either for the Northants match at Hove or for the Horsham match. Hope i'm wrong, but I don't see him being omitted with a cheery nod to "go out and get youself some match practice, Chris".
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 2, 2014 14:37:59 GMT
I would imagine if Stokes is chosen over Jordan there will be some horse-trading between Robinson and Moores. So, not all is lost yet or are we clutching at straws?
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 2, 2014 14:44:05 GMT
I would imagine if Stokes is chosen over Jordan there will be some horse-trading between Robinson and Moores. So, not all is lost yet or are we clutching at straws? I'm afraid that you are, s and f. I can't imagine what horses Robinson has to trade that Moores would be interested in. Moores holds all the cards, effectively being able to say "There's a strong possibility that Jordan will have a central contract by this winter, even if as a squad member rather than a first choice bowler. That will give you the money to go out and get some cover for him. Of course, if you play him against my very strong advice and he gets injured and misses the boat.....well then, Mark, you'd only have yourself to blame, wouldn't you?"
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 2, 2014 16:54:45 GMT
At present, there are 6 seamers in the squad. Surely, England won't use more than 4. Which probably means Woakes and Jordan will be left out given Plunkett's success against Sri Lanka. The question is: Who will be the 12th man at Trentbridge? And that is where the horse-trading begins. There's a lot of positive history between Moores and Robinson, so however unlikely, one cannot discount a major favour from the England Coach when he makes Woakes 12th man and allows Jordan to play for Sussex. We shall see.
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 3, 2014 21:25:24 GMT
Here we go, Chairman Whitaker's big idea, selection by numbers. Whitaker expects bowler rotationDoesn't matter who you pick, after all you've got six of them: they'll all do the job in one permutation or another and if Jimmy Anderson is feeling a bit tired or peaky we'll just slot in Chris Woakes. After all, he's much the same isn't he? Right arm fastish, sort of thing? And what does this mean "We would like to think that the four who get picked on the day play brilliantly well and stay fantastically fit and the world's perfect, but realistically we need a group."? You could be charitable and say that he's talking about the likely effects of stress and the need for a squad - and not surprisingly given the appallingly tight schedule that the greedy and complacent suits of the ECB have ordained - but it also seems to me that it betrays a lack of faith in the ability of the selection team to make judgements other than in the widest possible sense i.e. so and so and so and so fit into a pattern and should be promoted. This ignores issues like temperament, matching of skills to conditions, the identification of strengths in England's attack versus weaknesses in India's batting. Indeed it seems to lack empathy with what a Test cricketer is and does. Of course there is the built-in, failsafe excuse : "We know they [Anderson and Broad] are 100 per cent fit, they have been passed off fit by the medical team to be included, but they did just play back-to-back Tests and there will be fatigue that builds up," he said. That should keep his job when they are overbowled by Cook or just get plain disgusted with the whole, stupid tack of the marketing-led England circus and just refuse to put up with the nonsense any longer. It does seem that we've gone back to the depths of the abyss in true 1999 style. Perhaps Whitaker should pick Chris Read to duck under a yorker or, given his Leicester pedigree, perhaps he could clone us a few Alan Mullalys to bore and bowl harmlessly wide of the stumps for a few decades?
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Post by twelvegrand on Jul 7, 2014 13:31:55 GMT
I can't see us getting much of Jordan given England's desire for fresh bowlers in back to back tests.the only way would be for him to play in the first innings and then sub out-and as far as I know even the ecb haven't provided for that in the rules? All a bit awkward now the championship runs on a completely different weekly schedule to tests
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Post by flashblade on Jul 8, 2014 9:36:51 GMT
Jos Buttler has been called up to the England squad - Prior might not be fit for the Test starting tomorrow.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 8, 2014 9:52:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 7:57:26 GMT
Dobell on Cook's future, predicting he will be axed if India win the series: www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/758561.htmlThere is a wonderful irony in the tabloid scribbler who two weeks ago described Cook as "more mouse than Strauss, more phoney than Dhoni" accusing Shane Warne of "hyperbole" in his criticism of the England captain!
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Post by flashblade on Jul 9, 2014 9:42:58 GMT
Prior is playing. Stokes replaces CJ.
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 9, 2014 12:22:58 GMT
Jordan may be the most fortunate man in the England squad, given that nobody knows why Woakes is there anyway (although many have a sneaking suspicion that the answer is in the identity of the selector with the initials AG), because he won't have his reputation ruined by going for 0-100 on a tedious pitch.
Still, not everyone can be unhappy about this. Just put yourself in the position of a middle-ranking executive in a middle-ranking corporate with some business in the vague, general area of the Midlands. You could expect to enjoy: reserved seating in the middle tier of the Radcliffe Road Stand, at an angle behind the bowler's arm Morning coffee and pastries on arrival Glass of bubbly prior to lunch 4 course lunch with wine and coffee Afternoon tea with tea time treats Complimentary bar (excludes Champagne) Souvenir programme & gift Car parking based on 1 per 4 guests
And your boss will pay £295 for this, plus your expenses for the day ("Go easy on the champers old boy, we're still cutting back on dividends")and the Notts ground will probably get about £150-180 for Wednesdays through Fridays. After that, who cares? The plebs will be in on Saturday and everybody has more interesting things to do on a Sunday, especially as if it's going to be such a bore, with neither team likely to get a result out of it. Still, it was a lot of fun at the time, and you got a great story to tell at the next Lodge meeting, and Bill Johnson from Middleton's will owe you one now, so who's worried?
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Post by flashblade on Jul 9, 2014 12:56:27 GMT
Why, you old cynic, HHS. Are you suggesting that the money's more important than the cricket?!
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Post by ketmandid on Jul 9, 2014 15:17:18 GMT
So this field is stupid. Dhoni just come in and NO slip. Two out for the hook and three catching short on leg side and one short on off.
This is supposed to be test cricket not asking a five year old to place nine black dots on a green oval shaped piece of paper.
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 9, 2014 20:08:17 GMT
Watching this match today took me back years. 45 years, to be precise, and to a year of tangled emotions.
In 1968 England, under Cowdrey, with Underwood and Snow as arch-destroyers and the solidly prolific Edrich batting had brought Australia to a drawn series, whcih was actually a bigger deal than it sounds after a decade of defeats at home and overseas draws. There was a feeling that we were on the verge of achieving something special after years in the doldrums. D'Oliveira had made a flawed but stirring 100 in the Oval Test, Knott had come through as one of the most exciting new players in years and there was a solid phalanx of established, and classy, batsmen: Milburn, Barrington, Graveney, Cowdrey himself. For added resonance there had been a cameo comeback by Lord Ted that achieved very little but reminded everyone of the continuity of the game.
And then came 1969. Barrington the first to fall, victim of a heart attack in Australia the previous autumn. Then Milburn, driving pointlessly and late at night from one match to the next. Cowdrey's achilles twanged and the selectors rather shockingly went for Illingworth as his replacement, perpetuating the South/North, Amateur/Professional duologue that they seemed to enjoy in those days as an alternative to finding new talent. And after a pleasant 75 in the First Test against West Indies, as a penalty for being so rash as to go out and earn himself some benefit money by playing on the Sunday rest day, Graveney was dropped.
All of which contributed to framing a series that should have been a very big deal featuring the fabled 60s West Indians of Sobers. Kanhai, Lloyd, Gibbs, Butcher...but there too the well had run dry and there was no Seymour Nurse, and neither Hall nor Griffiths. John Shepherd had a couple of games and injured himself, and did little internationally after that, and the attack was spearheaded by Holder and Shillingford. And despite the best efforts of England to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (26-4 at Lords and hundreds for Hampshire and Illingworth) the series became memorable, or forgettable, for slow scoring, uninspired play, the decline of talent and a monumental exhibition of hubris. The mighty Sobers also picked up an injury, made one score over 50 and delivered one fine spell of bowling.
I can recall the reports in Playfair Cricket Monthly tut-tutting the typical scoring rates of 250 runs in a full days play, waving an admonitory finger that this would be the end of Test cricket if this became the standard. Later in the year it got worse: England played New Zaealand at Trent Bridge and in 305 overs 811 runs were scored. Fortunately the weather came to the rescue and that one was drawn.
I don't remember that the pitches were particularly dull and uneventful for these games, rather it was the dour, unterprising spirit of the times that seemed to prevail. Captaincy under Illingworth was tactically much sounder than we've recently become used to, but life was presentesd as a series of attritional challenges, to be endured and overcome, and certainly not to be relished. It could have been worse: Boycott after a couple of centuries against the West Indies had one of his periods of introspection and failure, recorded some low scores and ducks and retired to his tent for the rest of the summer.
All of this comes back, along with the memories of a summer of glorious weather and otherwise full of opportunity - well I was 15 and did my O-levels that year and life was all in front of me - when I watched over after over of well-intentioned, well-directed bowling failing to carry on the deadest of wickets, played by talented batsmen who didn't seem to have the energy to master the situation, and against a clueless field-setting by a well-meaning but incompetent captain. How long will this go on for, and how long can the game survive this bland, meaningless rubbish? At least in 1969 hope was at hand in the new Sunday League, which revitalised the game and brought urgently needed cash to the counties. It still took a few years before attrition was replaced by aggression and enterprise, and some of the stars of 1969, such as Hampshire and Alan Ward, didn't really enjoy the full fruition of their talents.
I don't know which is worse: the thought that somebody might write this sort of thing in 2059 about the dreadful England/India series played on such unsporting wickets with such complacency, or the prospect that long before then, Test cricket will have ceased to exist, except as a name given to some of the 10 and 20 over SpeedBatting Challenge matches between the great triumvirate of England Lions, Australian Fighting Kangaroos and the Indian Cobras.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 18:12:41 GMT
Incredibly, this is the third consecutive season England have conceded a 10th wicket partnership of more than one hundred - Tino Best in 2012, Agar last season and now Mohammed Shami...
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