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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 13:03:55 GMT
BM, it would help if you did not misquote me. I did not say, as you suggest, that I lacked respect for all journalists. Instead, I said I had little respect for most journalists, which is very different. Of course, I have considerable respect for some journalists, including some of those you mention.
My limited respect for most, is not just the tabloid cheapskate scribblers you mention, but clearly they contribute to my view. I find too few journalists in the so called quality press, are able to present and analyse both sides of an argument, before coming to a conclusion. Instead I see too many seizing on info or arguments which help their point of view, fill their space etc, without researching or presenting the full picture. This applies to both the more right wing, and left wing papers.
Incidentally, I also did not say most journalists are lazy. I said I was given this as guidance in a training course on how to deal with journalists.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 4, 2014 18:43:43 GMT
Just watching a recording of the England Ladies V S Africa Ladies, nice to watch a one day game when England are at least competing, if you know the result keep it to yourself!
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 4, 2014 19:32:07 GMT
Well done girls, well done Sarah Taylor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 21:43:56 GMT
Very enjoyable game today, and an encouraging win for England.
An excellent article IMO by George Dobell on Cricinfo, following the match. Sorry my lack of computer skills mean I do not know how to provide the link. (Grateful for guidance!).He castigates significant parts of the crowd for constantly booing Mooen for either his religion, ethnicity or team alignment. Borderman on another current thread describes Dobell as the 'gloomiest man in cricket', but sorry I would rather applaud a journalist who, rather than simply applaud a victory, is willing to draw attention to what he sees as unacceptable behaviour.
For me, racism etc, from whatever direction, is totally unacceptable. Let's not forget racism is not only seen from a white direction. I applaud Dobell for his candour, even if it makes him seem gloomy BM. Sorry you find his views gloomy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 23:25:37 GMT
I said he was gloomy, not that he was wrong.
Three quotes from different pieces in the last 72 hours:
On the Warwicks v Kent RLC semi-final:"It is increasingly hard to avoid the conclusion that, almost a decade after the game all but disappeared from free-to-air television, a decade after central contracts and the increased international schedule snatched the best players from the domestic circuit, cricket is dying in England. Or at least slipping into gentle irrelevance. Like Morris dancing and origami."
Previewing the England vIndia T20: "It will satisfy the broadcasters for another day. And that, in the end, is what England cricket is all about: not excellence; not success but another opportunity to squeeze a few more pounds out of the business. Whatever the short-term benefits - and they are almost entirely financial - the long-term consequences will be disastrous."
After the T20 : "This should have been a brilliant advert for cricket. But instead there was a sour end to the summer. An unsettling end. An end that suggested, for all the progress we think we have made in creating a multicultural society in the UK, we have a long way to go...Here it provided a peek behind the façade of multicultural Britain. It was an ugly, depressing sight."
He certainly doesn't seem to be enjoying his cricket much at the moment and should probably ask his doctor for some Prozac. But all three comments above are quite possibly true, although I'd treat the third with slightly more circumspection than the first two and suspect he may be making a racist mountain out of a nationalist molehill.
Got to go. It's time to take my pills.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 8, 2014 20:47:29 GMT
Very enjoyable game today, and an encouraging win for England. An excellent article IMO by George Dobell on Cricinfo, following the match. Sorry my lack of computer skills mean I do not know how to provide the link. (Grateful for guidance!).He castigates significant parts of the crowd for constantly booing Mooen for either his religion, ethnicity or team alignment. Borderman on another current thread describes Dobell as the 'gloomiest man in cricket', but sorry I would rather applaud a journalist who, rather than simply applaud a victory, is willing to draw attention to what he sees as unacceptable behaviour. For me, racism etc, from whatever direction, is totally unacceptable. Let's not forget racism is not only seen from a white direction. I applaud Dobell for his candour, even if it makes him seem gloomy BM. Sorry you find his views gloomy. Completely agree with your comments re Moeen, it would seem that he is being booed by British born Asians supporting India, for being a British born Asian playing for the country of his birth. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 21:18:03 GMT
Possibly at least as much to do with his parents being Pakistani and many of the Indian supporters at Edgbaston having relatives in Kashmir, over which India and Pakistan have fought at least three wars. Bopara is of Indian extraction and got very little booing.
The tension between Muslim Kashmiris and Hindu Kashmiris is huge and Birmingham has the biggest concentration of people from Kashmir in the world (outside Kashmir and Jammu). It would be surprising if it didn't spill over into the Birmingham community and it has been going on a long time; I can recall an horrific incident back in the 1980s when an Indian diplomat was murdered in Birmingham by Kashmiri militants.
The problem is that those tossing around dangerous accusations of racism and saying it is the unpleasant face of the failure of mutli-culturalism don't actually know why Moeen was booed because none of them bothered to go into the crowd and ask the Indian fans why they were doing it.
The reaons are probably quite complex (hence the different treatment meted out to Moeen and to Bopara) and to claim it is an objection to a player of sub-continental origin playing for England is all too easy and glib and smacks of Norman Tebbit's notorious 'cricket test'.
Moeen has behaved with enormous dignity, though - as he did during his Gaza protest, too.
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Post by wally on Sept 8, 2014 21:51:18 GMT
I think you are almost certainly right....this has a lot more to do with Hindu/ Muslim India/ Pakistan tensions than simply racism.
Racism seems to be a big bucket if it includes Russia/ Ukraine Protestant / catholic Arab/ Israeli, Scottish/ English conflicts.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 9, 2014 19:01:25 GMT
Possibly at least as much to do with his parents being Pakistani and many of the Indian supporters at Edgbaston having relatives in Kashmir, over which India and Pakistan have fought at least three wars. Bopara is of Indian extraction and got very little booing. The tension between Muslim Kashmiris and Hindu Kashmiris is huge and Birmingham has the biggest concentration of people from Kashmir in the world (outside Kashmir and Jammu). It would be surprising if it didn't spill over into the Birmingham community and it has been going on a long time; I can recall an horrific incident back in the 1980s when an Indian diplomat was murdered in Birmingham by Kashmiri militants. The problem is that those tossing around dangerous accusations of racism and saying it is the unpleasant face of the failure of mutli-culturalism don't actually know why Moeen was booed because none of them bothered to go into the crowd and ask the Indian fans why they were doing it. The reaons are probably quite complex (hence the different treatment meted out to Moeen and to Bopara) and to claim it is an objection to a player of sub-continental origin playing for England is all too easy and glib and smacks of Norman Tebbit's notorious 'cricket test'. Moeen has behaved with enormous dignity, though - as he did during his Gaza protest, too. I could be wrong but I believe Sajid Mahmood once said he got it in the neck from British Asians for choosing to play for England so I still think there was an element of that behind the booing. Personally I think there is some merit in Norms 'cricket test', in a hundred years times are the sons of the sons of the sons of those supporting India still going to be supporting India not the land of their birth? |
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Post by fraudster on Sept 10, 2014 19:26:16 GMT
Possibly at least as much to do with his parents being Pakistani and many of the Indian supporters at Edgbaston having relatives in Kashmir, over which India and Pakistan have fought at least three wars. Bopara is of Indian extraction and got very little booing. The tension between Muslim Kashmiris and Hindu Kashmiris is huge and Birmingham has the biggest concentration of people from Kashmir in the world (outside Kashmir and Jammu). It would be surprising if it didn't spill over into the Birmingham community and it has been going on a long time; I can recall an horrific incident back in the 1980s when an Indian diplomat was murdered in Birmingham by Kashmiri militants. The problem is that those tossing around dangerous accusations of racism and saying it is the unpleasant face of the failure of mutli-culturalism don't actually know why Moeen was booed because none of them bothered to go into the crowd and ask the Indian fans why they were doing it. The reaons are probably quite complex (hence the different treatment meted out to Moeen and to Bopara) and to claim it is an objection to a player of sub-continental origin playing for England is all too easy and glib and smacks of Norman Tebbit's notorious 'cricket test'. Moeen has behaved with enormous dignity, though - as he did during his Gaza protest, too. I could be wrong but I believe Sajid Mahmood once said he got it in the neck from British Asians for choosing to play for England so I still think there was an element of that behind the booing. Personally I think there is some merit in Norms 'cricket test', in a hundred years times are the sons of the sons of the sons of those supporting India still going to be supporting India not the land of their birth? They can have Saj back. It's the Pakistan/India thing, innit. P.S. Sorry this is in your box Mrs Doyle, so to speak. Poxy thing. |
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