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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 12:55:16 GMT
ECB to brief the PCA at its AGM on the new comp next week:- www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/02/16/ecb-told-allay-fears-english-players-will-sidelined-new-twenty20/One new tit-bit in Hoult's story - a PCA survey of English f/c cricketers last summer found 92 per cent "believe a Big Bash-style competition will be good for the English game." The other notable thing in the article is the shift in tone from the provisional to the inevitable - it's no longer a proposal requiring approval from the counties but a done deal. Hoult's opening sentence says " when a new Twenty20 tournament is launched in 2020" not if ; and the PCA chairman is quoted as saying “Everyone knows the (new) Twenty20 is going to happen." Note to moderator: time to remove the word 'Proposed' from the title of this thread. Even Sussex's opposition appears to have evaporated..... But also 79% "also believed a two-divisional competition made up of ‘the best county sides’ would be an attractive option". As second best if the Big Bash style comp didn't get the green light...which it now has. Not sure what "a two-divisional competition made up of ‘the best county sides’ " actually means. The best... but not all of them... how does that work? Anyway, it's all academic. The new comp is going ahead , as even Sussex has come to accept, so we had all better get used to it and make it work.
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Post by moderator1 on Feb 17, 2017 13:25:16 GMT
ECB to brief the PCA at its AGM on the new comp next week:- www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/02/16/ecb-told-allay-fears-english-players-will-sidelined-new-twenty20/One new tit-bit in Hoult's story - a PCA survey of English f/c cricketers last summer found 92 per cent "believe a Big Bash-style competition will be good for the English game." The other notable thing in the article is the shift in tone from the provisional to the inevitable - it's no longer a proposal requiring approval from the counties but a done deal. Hoult's opening sentence says " when a new Twenty20 tournament is launched in 2020" not if ; and the PCA chairman is quoted as saying “Everyone knows the (new) Twenty20 is going to happen." Note to moderator: time to remove the word 'Proposed' from the title of this thread. Even Sussex's opposition appears to have evaporated..... Thanks borderman, I agree it has all moved on....I will leave it a few days to see the terminology used at the briefing before renaming.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Feb 17, 2017 15:29:00 GMT
I can only bang the drum again that after talking to the ECB Commercial Head, Sanjay Patel, at the Sussex CCC Members Forum last Autumn, the media companies like SKY and BTSport are only interested in bidding for the TV rights IF it is a competition based around the IPL or BBL model. They are NOT interested in a revamped 18 county or two divisional tournament.
Therefore, the £6.5m lottery win to each county over 5 years + the staging rights revenue for grounds that host matches won't happen which means some clubs may go bankrupt and county cricket could end up with just 12 counties.
Is that what the traditionalists want?
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Post by gmdf on Feb 17, 2017 16:03:02 GMT
I can only bang the drum again that after talking to the ECB Commercial Head, Sanjay Patel, at the Sussex CCC Members Forum last Autumn, the media companies like SKY and BTSport are only interested in bidding for the TV rights IF it is a competition based around the IPL or BBL model. They are NOT interested in a revamped 18 county or two divisional tournament. Therefore, the £6.5m lottery win to each county over 5 years + the staging rights revenue for grounds that host matches won't happen which means some clubs may go bankrupt and county cricket could end up with just 12 counties. Is that what the traditionalists want? They are only interested in television a competition that doesn't exist? Pah, call their bluff and offer cricket - all cricket including Tests and esp. the Ashes - to other providers. Sounds like bullying to me, and no sport should give in to that... (Of course, I wouldn't want to suggest that the 'Commercial Head' of the ECB is gilding the lily to try and make his case, no, of course I wouldn't want to suggest that !)
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Post by nemmo on Feb 17, 2017 16:39:30 GMT
The latest shard in relation to the new franchise tournament by He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named-On-These-Forums-Apparently. www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2017/content/story/1083052.htmlTo me this is utter insanity. I can see the angle they are coming from - make a very permanent wicket in prime view of TV cameras and com-boxes that is able to be re-used again and again. The problem being that these wickets are too consistent and give good pace and bounce with no turn or seam movement. Absolute batsman's paradise stuff which will see scores approach 200+ in most games, especially those at smaller grounds. You can't complain about the game tipping too far in the favour of batsmen then give them this absolute gift.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 16:48:21 GMT
Look, this new competition is happening.
The ECB wants it, the counties want it (or at least they want the money they have been guaranteed), the players want it and hopefully the public wants it. If a few stripey ties and blazers don't want it, they can stay away and unplug their TVs without trying to spoil everyone else's enjoyment.
And s&f is correct. Sky wants it, too, and is prepared to pay way more than they ever have for the county T20 Blast. BT would also like to be the lead broadcaster on a brand new comp. that is going to be more high-profile than anything English cricket has ever seen outside of an Ashes series.
What's not to like? And if you genuinely still don't like, there is nothing to be gained from keeping up a campaign of gratuitous sniping against it, given that it is coming, regardless of the moaning on the part of a handful of retired county members (of whom there are not enough to keep county cricket going beyond circa 2025... )
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Post by nemmo on Feb 17, 2017 16:53:32 GMT
Oh I'm fine with the competition as a whole and accept that its definitely happening. It's just stupid things like artificial pitches that would turn me off massively.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 17:01:57 GMT
Oh I'm fine with the competition as a whole and accept that its definitely happening. It's just stupid things like artificial pitches that would turn me off massively. Sorry, nemmo, wasn't in response to you at all but to previous comments. I happen to agree with you in principle about artificial pitches - although I guess they are preferable to worn pitches that have already been used two or three times and as a result are low and slow and not much use to either batsmen or bowlers and lead to a dull diet of 'pace off' plodders that sets up mass yawning among everyone watching...
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Post by gmdf on Feb 17, 2017 17:52:53 GMT
Look, this new competition is happening. The ECB wants it, the counties want it (or at least they want the money they have been guaranteed), the players want it and hopefully the public wants it. If a few stripey ties and blazers don't want it, they can stay away and unplug their TVs without trying to spoil everyone else's enjoyment. And s&f is correct. Sky wants it, too, and is prepared to pay way more than they ever have for the county T20 Blast. BT would also like to be the lead broadcaster on a brand new comp. that is going to be more high-profile than anything English cricket has ever seen outside of an Ashes series. What's not to like? And if you genuinely still don't like, there is nothing to be gained from keeping up a campaign of gratuitous sniping against it, given that it is coming, regardless of the moaning on the part of a handful of retired county members (of whom there are not enough to keep county cricket going beyond circa 2025... ) 'Gratuitous sniping' or 'a reasoned critique' - depends on your point of view, doesn't it? It seems to me only reasonable to express one's opinion, argue for what one believes to be the case and try and ameliorate decisions that one believes will be truly disastrous for the game we love.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 18:30:59 GMT
How can you try to "ameliorate" a decision that the ECB has already taken and which all but Surrey and may be one other county now supports? There will be an eight team T20 super-league not involving old-fashioned shire counties. That's a fact and neither you nor I now have any influence over it - which is why continuing to moan that it is going to be "truly disastrous" is futile. You might try asking why the ECB, the counties, the players and the broadcasters all agree that far from being "truly disastrous", this will actually generate the revenue which will save "the game we all love". But then we live in Michael Gove's age of refusing to believe the experts, so perhaps the collective wisdom and experience of those who administer the game and play the game and broadcast the game can be ignored in the same way as it is now vogueish to dismiss the views of the Bank Of England on the economics of Brexit and the warnings of climate change scientists.
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Post by band on Feb 17, 2017 19:25:37 GMT
Apart from occasional game not my cup of tea but can 100% agree why it should and will proceed. However what I dont understand is still no marketing of county game. Surely it wouldnt take much to attract a few more to games. It wont of course help to attract youngsters to county games when they know only way to watch best players is 20/20. If you dont attract youngsters them surely county cricket will just fade away
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Post by tigertiger on Feb 18, 2017 12:44:54 GMT
How can you try to "ameliorate" a decision that the ECB has already taken and which all but Surrey and may be one other county now supports? There will be an eight team T20 super-league not involving old-fashioned shire counties. That's a fact and neither you nor I now have any influence over it - which is why continuing to moan that it is going to be "truly disastrous" is futile. You might try asking why the ECB, the counties, the players and the broadcasters all agree that far from being "truly disastrous", this will actually generate the revenue which will save "the game we all love". But then we live in Michael Gove's age of refusing to believe the experts, so perhaps the collective wisdom and experience of those who administer the game and play the game and broadcast the game can be ignored in the same way as it is now vogueish to dismiss the views of the Bank Of England on the economics of Brexit and the warnings of climate change scientists. Didn't the Bank of England admit that they misjudged the immediate consequences of the Brexit vote? I was only aware that the parties you mention agreed that the concept would generate revenue (though broadcasters might be disappointed) ... I have not seen all these parties say that this will save cricket! It will be interesting to see what non-financial success criteria are agreed. A further risk is that 2020 is a long way off ... and other leagues could come in and change the landscape before then. If everyone is so sure ... need to act sooner.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Feb 18, 2017 16:41:24 GMT
band,
If you dont attract youngsters them surely county cricket will just fade away...
Thar she blows! You've hit the crux of the matter.
I sometimes wonder whether some traditionalists would rather see county cricket shrivel and die than allow the dreaded T20 to evolve.
A kind of death wish.
Without attracting the youngsters, county cricket will be dead within 20 years as these younger generations are not interested in the Championship.
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Post by gmdf on Feb 18, 2017 17:38:13 GMT
band, If you dont attract youngsters them surely county cricket will just fade away...Thar she blows! You've hit the crux of the matter. I sometimes wonder whether some traditionalists would rather see county cricket shrivel and die than allow the dreaded T20 to evolve. A kind of death wish. Without attracting the youngsters, county cricket will be dead within 20 years as these younger generations are not interested in the Championship. Perhaps, but not all of us (as far as I can see I'm not alone) don't think a franchise based system is the way to organise 20 over cricket. Indeed I think it may well be disastrous - and I am beginning to suspect that those in charge don't actually care if it fails. So I'm not against county T20 games, and would be happy to see that more extensively promoted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 23:17:22 GMT
band, If you dont attract youngsters them surely county cricket will just fade away...Thar she blows! You've hit the crux of the matter. I sometimes wonder whether some traditionalists would rather see county cricket shrivel and die than allow the dreaded T20 to evolve. A kind of death wish. Without attracting the youngsters, county cricket will be dead within 20 years as these younger generations are not interested in the Championship. Perhaps, but not all of us (as far as I can see I'm not alone) don't think a franchise based system is the way to organise 20 over cricket. Indeed I think it may well be disastrous - and I am beginning to suspect that those in charge don't actually care if it fails. So I'm not against county T20 games, and would be happy to see that more extensively promoted. Evidence? But I'm glad you have retreated from your dogmatic certainty of yesterday that the new tournanment will be "truly disastrous" and on reflection now concede that is merely an opinion which "may" (and which, by collorary, therefore may not) be the case ... And for the record, the claim that it is a "franchise based system" is wrong. The eight teams will not be franchises. They will be controlled 100 per cent by the ECB and the counties. The word "franchise" has repeatedly, and one suspects deliberately, been used incorrectly by the fundamentalist propagandists when they know it is not true. (and btw, s&f, "fundamentalist" seems far more appropriate than "traditionalist" as many of the naysayers and doom-mongers appear to have borrowed their imagery of English cricketing Apocalypse straight from the Book of Revelation!)
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