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Post by moderator1 on Aug 1, 2016 6:09:27 GMT
The signing of Wiese won't help with the shortage of form batsmen, especially for first-class cricket. If Machan is still unavailable the pool for first 6 places seems to be Joyce, Nash, Wells, Finch, Wright, Salt and Cachopa. Now comes the problem, a glut of all-rounders not quite strong enough to be top 6: Brown, Jordan, Wiese, Robinson (playing and in form with bat and ball for Second XI last week), followed by those who bat better than some (Shahzad, Archer, Beer, Briggs) and then those who haven't quite got the batting chops - Garton, Whittingham and Magoffin.
How do we get a balanced side out of this lot? Firstly and contrary to what I have suggested, Sussex obviously believe that Brown is top 6 and should play there. Then Wiese having been recruited at some expense obviously must play, probably at 7. That leaves 4 additional bowling places for a current International bowler, 2 outstanding pace-bowling prospects, another young fast bowler of promise, two veteran seam bowlers, another fine all-rounder back in fitness, and the two spinners. Somebody is going to be awfully disappointed, and there is the additional irony that if this delectable range of squad options had all been fully available back in May there would have been ample firepower to mix and match between three competitions. Now it is championship or nothing.
I believe Robinson must play to provide the stock bowling option at the expense of Magoffin. Figures do not suggest his superiority but if Robinson is fit after his shin splints problem and back to the form and sheer courage he showed last season he is the one to bowl steadily through a long day, especially if there is no place for a specialist spin bowler to give control. Jordan obviously should play whenever he is available, and perhaps now he can be used in short bursts to limit those damaging legside deliveries when he loses focus. The final two places will have to be rotated through Garton, Archer and Whittingham, almost equally worthy.
Will it happen? Will Sussex resist the impulse to play Briggs, or even Beer and Briggs? Can they say to Magoffin, effectively, sorry Steve and thanks for what you've done but we will keep you in reserve now because we need the fire of these promising youngsters? Shahzad will be used to the brush-off, but that won't make it any easier for him to tolerate: expect some more fireworks and perhaps a loan to somewhere he hasn't yet visited.
Team for Essex
Nash
Joyce
Wells
Finch
Wright
Brown
Wiese
Robinson
Jordan
Archer/Garton
Whittingham
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 1, 2016 17:13:25 GMT
My team for Essex
Joyce
Nash
Wells
Wright (c)
Finch
Brown (wk)
Wiese
Jordan
Archer
Garton
Whittingham
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Post by nemmo on Aug 1, 2016 17:29:30 GMT
I like the look of that team CP and would be more than happy if we played it. However I wouldn't be surprised if Magoffin was squeezed in for Whittingham or Garton. Briggs might also make an appearance. I have a feeling that Archer will definitely play.
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Post by fraudster on Aug 2, 2016 20:47:41 GMT
The signing of Wiese won't help with the shortage of form batsmen, especially for first-class cricket. If Machan is still unavailable the pool for first 6 places seems to be Joyce, Nash, Wells, Finch, Wright, Salt and Cachopa. Now comes the problem, a glut of all-rounders not quite strong enough to be top 6: Brown, Jordan, Wiese, Robinson (playing and in form with bat and ball for Second XI last week), followed by those who bat better than some (Shahzad, Archer, Beer, Briggs) and then those who haven't quite got the batting chops - Garton, Whittingham and Magoffin. How do we get a balanced side out of this lot? Firstly and contrary to what I have suggested, Sussex obviously believe that Brown is top 6 and should play there. Then Wiese having been recruited at some expense obviously must play, probably at 7. That leaves 4 additional bowling places for a current International bowler, 2 outstanding pace-bowling prospects, another young fast bowler of promise, two veteran seam bowlers, another fine all-rounder back in fitness, and the two spinners. Somebody is going to be awfully disappointed, and there is the additional irony that if this delectable range of squad options had all been fully available back in May there would have been ample firepower to mix and match between three competitions. Now it is championship or nothing. I believe Robinson must play to provide the stock bowling option at the expense of Magoffin. Figures do not suggest his superiority but if Robinson is fit after his shin splints problem and back to the form and sheer courage he showed last season he is the one to bowl steadily through a long day, especially if there is no place for a specialist spin bowler to give control. Jordan obviously should play whenever he is available, and perhaps now he can be used in short bursts to limit those damaging legside deliveries when he loses focus. The final two places will have to be rotated through Garton, Archer and Whittingham, almost equally worthy. Will it happen? Will Sussex resist the impulse to play Briggs, or even Beer and Briggs? Can they say to Magoffin, effectively, sorry Steve and thanks for what you've done but we will keep you in reserve now because we need the fire of these promising youngsters? Shahzad will be used to the brush-off, but that won't make it any easier for him to tolerate: expect some more fireworks and perhaps a loan to somewhere he hasn't yet visited. Team for Essex Nash Joyce Wells Finch Wright Brown Wiese Robinson Jordan Archer/Garton Whittingham Well I agree with very little of all that but the end product ain't far off. Garton or Archer for Robinson, bang. It'll be Mags though won't it. |
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 3, 2016 12:40:00 GMT
My starting XI would be:
Ed Joyce
Chris Nash
Luke Wells
Harry Finch
Luke Wright (c)
Ben Brown (wkt)
David Wiese
Chris Jordan
Jofra Archer
Steve Magoffin
Stuart Whittingham
Left out from the squad of 14:
Will Beer
Danny Briggs
Christian Davis
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 3, 2016 12:44:17 GMT
14 players in the squad for Colchester www.sussexcricket.co.uk/news-1/preview-david-wiese-returns-to-the-ranks-as-sussex-head-for-colchester, and Luke Wright's reported statement that we have "pretty much settled on " the make-up of championside sides this year doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in finding a victorious selection. That assumes that one at least of Beer/Briggs will play, and with Wiese and Jordan certain to play there will be one batsman short in the top 6. Jofra Archer Will Beer Danny Briggs Ben Brown (wkt) Christian Davis Harry Finch Chris Jordan Ed Joyce Steve Magoffin Chris Nash Luke Wells Stuart Whittingham David Wiese Luke Wright (c) I think the likely team will be Nash, Joyce, Wells, Finch, Wright, Brown, Wiese, Jordan, Briggs, Magoffin and Whittingham. I'd like to see Archer play but it can only be at the expense of Magoffin, and I think they will give him at least another game, probably two. Davis can only really cover for the openers or vie with Finch, and I think Finch is quietly becoming one of the successes of the season. |
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Post by grandavefan on Aug 3, 2016 15:06:42 GMT
Got to play a spinner or two.
Nash and Wells to concentrate on getting runs. Forget bowling.
I know what I'd want 100+ at least between them in each innings rather than 20 and 3 wickets between them. Assumes the rest get a few runs.
Last years game spin got 70% of the wickets. Says a lot about the venue?
Davo's interview, he says the same.
Let's hope Sussex are inventive, positive and more importantly bat first and get to bowl last.
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Post by joe on Aug 3, 2016 15:07:27 GMT
14 players in the squad for Colchester www.sussexcricket.co.uk/news-1/preview-david-wiese-returns-to-the-ranks-as-sussex-head-for-colchester, and Luke Wright's reported statement that we have "pretty much settled on " the make-up of championside sides this year doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in finding a victorious selection. That assumes that one at least of Beer/Briggs will play, and with Wiese and Jordan certain to play there will be one batsman short in the top 6. Jofra Archer Will Beer Danny Briggs Ben Brown (wkt) Christian Davis Harry Finch Chris Jordan Ed Joyce Steve Magoffin Chris Nash Luke Wells Stuart Whittingham David Wiese Luke Wright (c) I think the likely team will be Nash, Joyce, Wells, Finch, Wright, Brown, Wiese, Jordan, Briggs, Magoffin and Whittingham. I'd like to see Archer play but it can only be at the expense of Magoffin, and I think they will give him at least another game, probably two. Davis can only really cover for the openers or vie with Finch, and I think Finch is quietly becoming one of the successes of the season. I agree with your selection hh, Davis, Archer and Beer to miss out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 17:51:40 GMT
Got to play a spinner or two. Nash and Wells to concentrate on getting runs. Forget bowling. I know what I'd want 100+ at least between them in each innings rather than 20 and 3 wickets between them. Assumes the rest get a few runs. Last years game spin got 70% of the wickets. Says a lot about the venue? Davo's interview, he says the same. Let's hope Sussex are inventive, positive and more importantly bat first and get to bowl last. Well, we don't have a spinner who can take 14 wickets in a match, which suggests we play two. I can't see us playing only two seamers so we'll be at least one batsman short. I'd be tempted to play a single spinner and three seamers, along with the extra batsman. Those spinners who took 70% of the wickets also conceded the vast majority of the runs. Also, if Luke says they've decided the shape of the team for the season (frightening if true), that wouldn't be on the basis of a team including two spinners. Can't Wells and Nash concentrate on their batting when they're batting and bowling when they're bowling, or is that asking too much? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 20:44:49 GMT
Perhaps its because I've been on holiday in a non-cricket playing country and the concerns of the county championship seem rather distant and unimportant.
But I really couldn't give a fig who Sussex pick for this game. Why should we care? This season has been a catastrophe and it's dead and long gone. Terrible decision-making on and off the field. Lack of direction, lack of vision, lack of ambition. Under-achievement everywhere. Membership next season is going to plummet. How did Sussex become such a joke club? Spen Cama must be turning in his grave and regretting that he left the club his money, because it seems that all his cash did was to encourage a lazy, cash-rich complacency and the whirlwind is now being reaped.
A member of our French family told me that the problem of the British is that they treat the trivial seriously (cricket) and treat serious matters trivially (i.e. Brexit). I spluttered with Anglo-Saxon indignation at this slur. But perhaps it's true!
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 4, 2016 4:57:23 GMT
Perhaps its because I've been on holiday in a non-cricket playing country and the concerns of the county championship seem rather distant and unimportant. But I really couldn't give a fig who Sussex pick for this game. Why should we care? Because mathematically we can still go up the club will say. However, we will need to beat the five teams above us in our remaining seven games which won't be easy with games at Colchester, Leicester and Bristol as well as home games against Gloucestershire, Kent and Worcestershire. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 4, 2016 9:38:56 GMT
Essex win the toss and elect to bat.
Come on Sussex, here's your chance to redeem yourself after the miserable OD tournaments. Win this match and there's still hope left for
the rest of the season.
Sussex Team: Nash, Joyce, Wells, Finch, Wright*, Brown†, Wiese, Jordan, Archer, Briggs, Magoffin.
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Post by joe on Aug 4, 2016 12:16:23 GMT
Essex win the toss and elect to bat. Come on Sussex, here's your chance to redeem yourself after the miserable OD tournaments. Win this match and there's still hope left for the rest of the season. Sussex Team: Nash, Joyce, Wells, Finch, Wright*, Brown†, Wiese, Jordan, Archer, Briggs, Magoffin. Very harsh on Whittingham. Magoffin seems to have lost it, we may be seeing him in his last season. Ironic that his form leaves him as he becomes British! I cant believe that that will be the batting order, more like Nash, Joyce, Wells, Wright, Finch, Weise, Brown, Jordan, Archer, Briggs, Magoffin. |
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Post by howardh on Aug 4, 2016 12:19:12 GMT
Not just "very harsh" on Whittingham. Unless he is injured, it is another completely baffling and bonkers decision.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 4, 2016 12:58:06 GMT
Two excellent strikes in consecutive balls from Archer, the second the in-form Westley. Without Bopara or Ryder there could be a good opportunity for Sussex to make deep inroads.
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