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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 20:58:53 GMT
Haseeb Hameed - being hailed as the 'red rose Joe Root' - as the surprise card?
His last ten innings for Lancs in CC Div one: 103, 89, 16, 122, 10,53, 89, 57*, 114, 100*
That's 733 runs in six matches at an average of 92.
Only 19 and there will be some who will say 'have a look at him in the Lions first'.
But we don't have an opening partner for Cook, and I reckon Hameed has already jumped ahead of Lyth, Stoneman , Jennings, Browne, Westley, Bell-Drummond etc. as the next cab off the rank. And several successful England openers, including Tresco and Vaughan, have been picked on similarly thin experience, I think?
Meanwhile, it seems Stokes and Buttler are fit again so that's two more names to ink in alongside the certs, who at present only number Cook, Root, Bairstow, Moeen, Woakes, Broad and Anderson.
Other contenders -
fast bowlers: Finn; Wood; Ball
spinners: Ansari, Dawson, Rashid
batsmen: who knows??? Stick with Hales, Vince and Ballance? Go back to Lyth? Take a punt on Hammed ansd Sam Northeast?
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 17, 2016 3:49:39 GMT
I would drop Hales, Vince and Ballance.
My seventeen man tour squad would be:
Batsmen
Cook
Jennings 1,262 runs @ 66 with six centuries
Hameed 1,129 runs @ 54 with four hundreds
Root
Westley 1,205 runs @ 60 with three centuries
Northeast 1,093 runs @ 84 with four centuries
Duckett 1,043 runs @ 55 with three centuries
Keepers
Bairstow
Foakes 685 runs @ 46 with 35 catches and 3 stumpings
Spinners
Ali
Batty 40 wickets @ 27 BB 7-32
Rayner 41 wicket @ 21 BB 6-79 (Rashid has only 29 wickets @ 34)
Seamers
Anderson
Broad
Stokes
Woakes
Brooks 42 wickets @ 27 BB 5-53
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Post by joe on Aug 17, 2016 6:47:11 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised to see Mason Crane part of the squad.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 17, 2016 7:23:10 GMT
Spinners Ali Batty 38 wickets @ 27 (Rashid has only 29 wickets @ 34) Sari 22 wickets @ 29 Seamers Would that be the famous Sari with the fringe on top, or I'm Sari, I'll Read That Again?  |
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Post by leedsgull on Aug 17, 2016 10:07:27 GMT
Madsen, Jennings. No. Lets not go down the South African route again. A couple of seasons ago Alex Lees was being talked up. None other than Dickie Bird predicted a great test future for him. Then as often happens his form went backwards for a while. Given him the one day captaincy has eventually freed him up and in recent first class matches he has been batting for a very long time making significant contributions. I think he has a far better technique than Lyth and has experience and youth on his side. A better option than Hameed perhaps. Definitely time to call an end to the Hales experiment and Vince has also failed to impress.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 11:19:10 GMT
Alex Lees ... A better option than Hameed perhaps. May be. 851 runs at an avge of 44 with two centuries is solid rather than outstanding, though , and after only making a single century in 16 CC games last season he fell right off the selectors' radar and I doubt he's done enough to put himself back on it. Hameed, on the other hand, is just the kind of batsman the England coaches would love to get their hands on early, as they did with Root, because they will feel they can help translate his prodigious talent into something special - and a three month tour of Bangladesh and India would give them every opportunity. Agree that Hales has to go, so a new opening partner for Cook is def. required. Someone suggested Jason Roy, but he only opens in white ball cricket and in the championship recently he's been batting at five or six... If I was a selector, I'd be very tempted by the bold choice of going with Hameed, I must say. |
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Post by leedsgull on Aug 17, 2016 11:33:55 GMT
bm As we both agree that Hales must be left out why not take both Lees & Hameed? You will need three openers after all. Ansari is being touted but I suspect by people who are unaware of his on-going fitness issues. As well as hand problems he has an issue with his back. It caused him to be off the field for a large part of the day yesterday and apparently is a persistent problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 11:39:38 GMT
bm As we both agree that Hales must be left out why not take both Lees & Hameed? You will need three openers after all. Ansari is being touted but I suspect by people who are unaware of his on-going fitness issues. As well as hand problems he has an issue with his back. It caused him to be off the field for a large part of the day yesterday and apparently is a persistent problem. Yes, take them both if Lees is definitely a better option than Lyth. Although from what I can glean, I don't think Lees is even on their radar at present, to be honest. Whoever we take I fear England may be on a hiding-to-nothing. Following Australia's defeat at the hands of Sri Lanka, I've just read that the Aussies have failed to win a single Test match on all of their last THREE tours of the sub-continent! |
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 17, 2016 20:31:49 GMT
Madsen, Jennings. No. Lets not go down the South African route again. A couple of seasons ago Alex Lees was being talked up. None other than Dickie Bird predicted a great test future for him. Then as often happens his form went backwards for a while. Given him the one day captaincy has eventually freed him up and in recent first class matches he has been batting for a very long time making significant contributions. I think he has a far better technique than Lyth and has experience and youth on his side. A better option than Hameed perhaps. Definitely time to call an end to the Hales experiment and Vince has also failed to impress. As opposed to Ballance! Jennings and Madsen have been superb this season with nine centuries between them. Pick players in form! |
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 17, 2016 20:38:37 GMT
Alex Lees ... A better option than Hameed perhaps. May be. 851 runs at an avge of 44 with two centuries is solid rather than outstanding, though , and after only making a single century in 16 CC games last season he fell right off the selectors' radar and I doubt he's done enough to put himself back on it. Hameed, on the other hand, is just the kind of batsman the England coaches would love to get their hands on early, as they did with Root, because they will feel they can help translate his prodigious talent into something special - and a three month tour of Bangladesh and India would give them every opportunity. Agree that Hales has to go, so a new opening partner for Cook is def. required. Someone suggested Jason Roy, but he only opens in white ball cricket and in the championship recently he's been batting at five or six... If I was a selector, I'd be very tempted by the bold choice of going with Hameed, I must say. Why take Lees with an average of 44 when you have Northeast (90 and four centuries), Jennings (65 and five centuries), Madsen (60 and four centuries) and Hameed (57 and four centuries including 733 @ 92 in his last eight completed innings). We shouldn't be even looking at a batsman for the test team unless they have at least four hundreds to their name and are averaging at least 55 in the county championship. Of the current top five only Cook and Root deserve to be retained. Neither Finn nor Ball convince me and Wood is consistently injured. Rashid is out of form. |
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 17, 2016 21:41:10 GMT
May be. 851 runs at an avge of 44 with two centuries is solid rather than outstanding, though , and after only making a single century in 16 CC games last season he fell right off the selectors' radar and I doubt he's done enough to put himself back on it. Hameed, on the other hand, is just the kind of batsman the England coaches would love to get their hands on early, as they did with Root, because they will feel they can help translate his prodigious talent into something special - and a three month tour of Bangladesh and India would give them every opportunity. Agree that Hales has to go, so a new opening partner for Cook is def. required. Someone suggested Jason Roy, but he only opens in white ball cricket and in the championship recently he's been batting at five or six... If I was a selector, I'd be very tempted by the bold choice of going with Hameed, I must say. Why take Lees with an average of 44 when you have Northeast (90 and four centuries), Jennings (65 and five centuries), Madsen (60 and four centuries) and Hameed (57 and four centuries including 733 @ 92 in his last eight completed innings). We shouldn't be even looking at a batsman for the test team unless they have at least four hundreds to their name and are averaging at least 55 in the county championship. Of the current top five only Cook and Root deserve to be retained. Neither Finn nor Ball convince me and Wood is consistently injured. Rashid is out of form. MP Vaughan (Yor) 17 34 1 895 153 27.12 3 3 5 (1999, before playing for England in South Africa ) ME Trescothick (Eng,Sm) 12 19 2 738 105 43.41 1 5 11 (2000, picked v West Indies) DI Gower (Eng,Le,MCC) 21 31 2 1098 111 37.86 2 5 6 (1978, first season for England) There have been many players, now quite obscure, who have fulfilled your criteria and failed to make an impact in Test cricket. It ain't what you do, its the way that you do it: that's what gets results. |
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Post by leedsgull on Aug 18, 2016 6:09:03 GMT
Coverpoint I agree with you about Balance by the way. How are teams like Zimbabwe ever going to improve if their best players end up being picked for England? I would tell the Curran's to play for the country of their birth and heritage too.
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Post by leedsgull on Aug 18, 2016 9:16:30 GMT
Sometimes centuries don't tell the full story. In the recent Yorkshire v Warwickshire match Alex Lees top scored with 70. The innings took over 4 hours and undoubtedly was the decisive match winning knock as the winning margin was 48 runs. I am no apologist for Lees but circumstances dictate that all my cricket watching is at Headingley. I see most of all matches played there so have seen these Yorkshire players develop over the years. Of the candidates for touring I just think Lees is most likely to succeed long term. Lyth will always flash outside off too much. Balance has been struggling with his batting since his first test career ended and his recall has posed more questions than answers. Leaning may also prove to be a strong middle order candidate sooner rather than longer.
I have always doubted Rashid's mental strength. He is good at getting the tail out when umpires seem only too quick to raise their fingers at the slightest lbw appeal. However I have seen genuine batsman who attack him leave him confused and unable to cope. He also does not often build pressure by bowling maidens.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 18, 2016 12:50:03 GMT
Coverpoint I agree with you about Balance by the way. How are teams like Zimbabwe ever going to improve if their best players end up being picked for England? I would tell the Curran's to play for the country of their birth and heritage too. Sam Curran was born in Northampton. |
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 18, 2016 12:51:43 GMT
Sometimes centuries don't tell the full story. In the recent Yorkshire v Warwickshire match Alex Lees top scored with 70. The innings took over 4 hours and undoubtedly was the decisive match winning knock as the winning margin was 48 runs. I am no apologist for Lees but circumstances dictate that all my cricket watching is at Headingley. I see most of all matches played there so have seen these Yorkshire players develop over the years. Of the candidates for touring I just think Lees is most likely to succeed long term. Lyth will always flash outside off too much. Balance has been struggling with his batting since his first test career ended and his recall has posed more questions than answers. Leaning may also prove to be a strong middle order candidate sooner rather than longer. I have always doubted Rashid's mental strength. He is good at getting the tail out when umpires seem only too quick to raise their fingers at the slightest lbw appeal. However I have seen genuine batsman who attack him leave him confused and unable to cope. He also does not often build pressure by bowling maidens. For me Lees has the talent but has failed to kick on as much as I would have liked to see. I agree with you about Lyth and Ballance. Leaning has talent but needs to deliver more consistently. Rashid lacks the mental strength and only seems to be able to get out tailenders. |
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