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Post by hhsussex on Nov 12, 2016 11:18:52 GMT
What a treat it is to watch Haseeb Hameed bat. Have we found Cook's opening partner at last? We haven't seem him against very fast bowlers or on a greentop (or at least I haven't) but it looks as if he has the patience and the technique to prosper. I think we have found Cook's successor, as well as current partner. First impressions are that none of the Lyth/Robson/Hales production line are in the same class.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 15, 2016 7:10:31 GMT
A few days ago the media consensus was damningly clear:
England's spirit had been crushed by the Dhaka defeat and would be overwhelmed by strong, confident India conforming to the grand rule of home advantage. Cook was out of ideas, a captain who had never learned to adapt, this series would be his last and it was only a question of time whether he fell or was pushed onto his sword. India’s spinners were overwhelmingly strong, particularly given the certainty that every pitch we played on would turn square from the first morning. None of the English spinners had shown any signs of developing sufficiently to take advantage even of a turning wicket and would be hammered out of sight by India's immensely powerful middle order. Without Anderson there was no credibility to the bowling attack and no depth.
Whilst there is plenty of time in a 5 match series for some of these issues to show some degree of truth it’s good to reflect on the eve of the Second Test on England's strengths as shown at Rajkot. Firstly the team never looked overawed or hangdog at any stage, not even when Vijay and Pujara were putting on their big second-wicket stand. Of course it helped that Cook won the toss, and it helped enormously that Root, then Ali, then Stokes made all those runs, but if they had conformed to stereotype and been 40-3, would they have recovered? There was a considerable air of self-belief about the team that ran through most of what they did, in contrast to the Indian impatience with not getting the repeated breakthroughs, resulting in poor bowling and some awful fielding and catching.
Then Cook whilst still limited in some of his ideas has gradually learned to make the best of the resources available to him. That is different to a "natural" captain like Vaughan who looked to do the unusual and unsettling and recruited players who could respond. Cook has learned that pace bowlers give control and he turns to spin to give opportunities, even if they cost runs, but his natural caution limits him to rotating those spinners in relatively short spells. That helps a bowler like Rashid, not strong on confidence, by giving him windows in which he can flourish, without getting carted. Ansari, too, with his rather over-deliberate action did better than he might have done under a captain who would have expected his slow left armer to dictate the run of the game.
Finally the wicket turned out to be much truer than it looked at first, and although there was spin on the last day it wasn't horrendous; there was no sign of balls that went through the crust of the wicket. England simply used it better than India in almost every phase of the game and deserved their rather commanding draw. They probably will find dustier wickets from now on, but they have the excellent advantage of knowing that all their bowlers are in good spirits and that form can only improve. There will be a tough choice to be made now about whether to include Anderson for Ansari - Rashid seems to have made his place secure on the basis of this match - and the batting looks settled now that Hameed has emerged. So much so that there is time for Duckett to settle in to a middle-order position, or if that doesn't work out, for Buttler to come back in the same role. Probably at the end of the tour Cook will decide if he wants another Ashes tour next winter. If he doesn't then Duckett can join Hameed in opening and Root can take over the captaincy.
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Post by leedsgull on Nov 15, 2016 11:12:09 GMT
I would bring Anderson in for Duckett and move everyone else up a place. The last wicket was prepared to last 5 days as it was a new venue and they wanted it to last the distance. I suspect India thought that they would win easily. I think that the next wicket will be much harder to bat on.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 16, 2016 8:42:29 GMT
Dobell is now suggesting that England may rest Woakes who has a "niggle" in favour of Anderson, Finn or Ball. www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1066492.htmlAs usual, the whole premise of his story is undermined right at the end by the quote from Alastair Cook "Woakes is the one we're looking at because of the amount of overs he has bowled over the last six or seven weeks. He was outstanding in Rajkot, so we will have to make a decision. He has just got a bowling niggle really. Just the normal wear and tear of bowling, so he's fine to play."
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 18, 2016 17:19:04 GMT
Sensible comments on the England collapse today from Paul Frabrace writing in the Guardian www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/18/england-paul-farbrace-india-joe-root-second-test-day-two?CMP=share_btn_twI like the way he doesn't descend into the banal press conference conventions of "we're taking the positives from this" or "just a bad day at the office". He knows they didn't perform well and quite calmly, without finger wagging or hysteria, he says so, and gives Root as an instance of how they failed to perform. The difference between the Farbrace/Bayliss regime and those of their predecessors is summed up by these things: calmness, honesty, awareness of responsibilities, and recognising that aspiration to greatness is not greatness in itself.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 21, 2016 9:30:20 GMT
A predictable loss but the BBC Website offers some hope. While there was no disgrace in England being bowled out on a worn surface - the 97.3 overs they faced was their third longest fourth innings in a Test in India...Meanwhile, there was the predictable criticism from the English pundits. England have a habit of collapsing. They go down like a pack of cards, like dominoes - call it what you want. This pitch is not a minefield. (Boycott) And... The tour party was selected strangely. (Vaughan) Yet, Vic Marks offers optimism. I don't sense this is a team about to disintegrate under the pressure of touring India. There will be team changes, but there is fight and purpose amongst some of the batsman and they have bowled well.Even so, all very predictable. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38047909
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Post by leedsgull on Nov 21, 2016 10:33:51 GMT
Yesterday some people were criticising the approach of Cook and Hameed. If we had more of that ilk these collapses would not occur so frequently. Duckett should concentrate on the white ball game. I do not think bringing in Buttler will make a difference, Ballance should have been sent home a la Finn. As I suggested earlier some experienced batsman should be drafted in to bolster the batting. Trouble is other than possibly Hildreth I am struggling to think of anyone.
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 21, 2016 18:50:00 GMT
Buttler for Duckett and Batty for Ansari.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 27, 2016 9:29:31 GMT
This Third Test is overturning some received views:
That Rashid is not up to Test quality as a spinner That Buttler would be hopelessly short of practice That Cook is too defensive in the field
I look forward to seeing some more sacred cows turning on the spit...first 4 batsmen all getting past 50 in the second innings perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 16:27:26 GMT
This Third Test is overturning some received views: That Rashid is not up to Test quality as a spinner That Buttler would be hopelessly short of practice That Cook is too defensive in the field I look forward to seeing some more sacred cows turning on the spit... How about Dobell comes up with a good line? I thought this on Adil Rashid was rather good : "being rated the best English legspinner is a bit like being rated the tallest dwarf."
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Post by fraudster on Nov 27, 2016 18:18:19 GMT
Dobell is now suggesting that England may rest Woakes who has a "niggle" in favour of Anderson, Finn or Ball. www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1066492.htmlAs usual, the whole premise of his story is undermined right at the end by the quote from Alastair Cook "Woakes is the one we're looking at because of the amount of overs he has bowled over the last six or seven weeks. He was outstanding in Rajkot, so we will have to make a decision. He has just got a bowling niggle really. Just the normal wear and tear of bowling, so he's fine to play." As usual, another flawed criticism of a perfectly good and accurate piece. The quote you use against the journo even states Woakes has a niggle. He did have a niggle, was duly rested and the thing that Dobell suggested may happen did happen all for the reason that he stated in the first place - listen to yourself mate.
Got slaughtered anyway, should have played Woakes and his niggle. This one's shaping up a bit better. I think we're gonna win it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 18:50:13 GMT
I think you have just awarded yourself the forum's tallest dwarf award, fraudster!
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 28, 2016 8:53:29 GMT
This Third Test is overturning some received views: That Rashid is not up to Test quality as a spinner That Buttler would be hopelessly short of practice That Cook is too defensive in the field I look forward to seeing some more sacred cows turning on the spit... How about Dobell comes up with a good line? I thought this on Adil Rashid was rather good : "being rated the best English legspinner is a bit like being rated the tallest dwarf." Another step forward for Rashid at the end of the first innings, now level with Roly Jenkins in the table of English spin bowlers for wickets taken, behind on average and slightly ahead on strike rate. Ahead , or higher above to use Dobell's analogy, are Bob Barber, Eric Hollies, Ian Peebles, Len Braund, and then at the utmost pinnacle Walter Robins surmounted by Tich Freeman. For Rashid to equal Freeman's overall figures he would need to take 34 wickets in the next 4 Tests for 454 runs. Now that would be a giant amongst dwarves! It does show that for all the heavy editorialising that has gone on throughout my lifetime at least about legspin bowlers being driven out of the English county game there has never been a time when the legspinner, picked for his bowling alone, has been picked for more than a dozen or so Tests, and those usually sporadic appearances over a number of years. However effective they may have been in county cricket England as a Test side has never trusted them, never built an attack in which they have played a significant part. If Mushtaq Ahmed had been English, would he have played more than the 15 matches Ian Salisbury (20 wickets at 76.95) took part in throughout the 90s?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 17:07:58 GMT
Another good line by Dobell (and two in one series must rank as his record) - although it is one that is going to further sour his already fractious relationship with the England camp. Of Ashwin's delivery that clean bowled Captain Cook, he writes: "It was the sort of ball that, if bowled on the village green, might well have been heaved into the churchyard."
I don't even remember him being that cruel last summer when he was whipping up his spiteful campaign to have Bairstow rusticated in favour of Ben Foakes!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 10:04:21 GMT
Three specialist spinners in the England side - and two of them finish the match wicketless.
On the batting, I can't help feeling Duckett has been slightly hard done by. Sure, he has looked at sea against the Indian spinners. But so in this match did Cook (39 runs), Moeen (21 runs)and Stokes (34 runs). Buttler, his direct replacement, did slightly better with 61 runs but clearly is not good enough to be a Test match specialist batsman.
There's talk of calling up Gubbins or Jennings or even Billings but I'd rather give Duckett another chance than any of them.
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