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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 20:02:20 GMT
The dropping of Duckett is ridiculous.
He's played three ODI innings for England, and scored two half centuries with an average of 41 and at a strike rate of more than 80.
Yes he struggled against the Indian spinners in the Tests. But what has that got to do with biffing a white ball that doesn't turn on a flat track ?
Thanks for the heads-up about Blofeld, lg. I didn't know and if you hadn't warned me I would have set my radio alarm and got a hideous fright waking up to voice of the dreadful old buffoon!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:11:32 GMT
I think this 2000 word essay about Virat Kohli from The Times today is probably the finest piece Michael Atherton has yet written: www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/how-kohli-eclipsed-even-tendulkar-in-a-nations-hearts-39vq0bvwrIt's behind a pay-wall, of course, but is well worth the price of a subscription. Interesting that while others faced with the long gap between Tests have routinely churned out fill-space pieces of speculative crap every day under vacuous headlines such as "Root backs Cook" and "Liam Dawson plans to take back control", Athers took the week off, had a little r&r, and worked on this magisterial piece.... |
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Post by leedsmartlet on Dec 5, 2016 23:00:17 GMT
The dropping of Duckett is ridiculous. I thought this at first. But who would you leave out from the squad instead? It's always easy to criticise... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 23:08:14 GMT
The dropping of Duckett is ridiculous. I thought this at first. But who would you leave out from the squad instead? Morgan! |
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 8, 2016 8:08:04 GMT
Interesting to see how media attitudes to Keaton Jennings have changed, from this Daily Mail characterisation by Martin Samuel three days ago
‘Who is Keaton Jennings?’ asked several newspapers after the batsman was called up by England for the next Test in Mumbai. Well, he was born in Johannesburg, captained South Africa at Under 19 level and his South African father, Ray, was once the South African coach. In other words, he’s a South African ringer, that’s who.
to this Tweet from , who else?:
Michael Vaughan Verified account @michaelvaughan 2h2 hours ago
England have found another in Keaton Jennings .. Looks a really good player .. Another from Durham conveyor belt .. #INDvENG
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:23:28 GMT
I thnk coverpoint said England should have selected Jennings over Duckett in the first place?
I disagreed but it turns out cp was right.
It's another nail in the ambitions of all Div Two batsmen. I saw Duckett twice last season in Div Two and he looked like a world beater. But his runs were made against second-rate attacks. Don't forget James Vince averaged 50-odd in Div Two - and just 30 when Hants were promoted to Div One.
Hameed and Jennings made the runs that got them selected against quality Div One attacks and it is no coincidnece that they have succeeded in Test cricket where Vince and Duckett have failed.
It is now hard to see the selectors in the future picking any batsman on the strength of Div Two runs. That's why Gubbins, having made his runs in the top flight for Middx, is now next in line and ahead of the Essex pair of Westley and Browne and Kent's Bell-Drummond.
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 9, 2016 6:16:36 GMT
England team for the first test next summer:
1) Cook
2) Hameed
3) Jennings
4) Root
5) Bairstow
6) Stokes
7) Buttler
8) Ali
9) Woakes
10) Broad
11) Anderson
12th man: Adil Rashid
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 9:01:44 GMT
England team for the first test next summer: 1) Cook 2) Hameed 3) Jennings 4) Root 5) Bairstow 6) Stokes 7) Buttler 8) Ali 9) Woakes 10) Broad 11) Anderson 12th man: Adil Rashid I'd agree with that apart from the positions of Bairstow and Buttler. Whichever of them has the gloves should bat below the one that doesn't. We need a specialist batsman at five (Buttler if he can build on the innings he played today or a n other). I'd put the all-rounder at six and the keeper at seven. |
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Post by philh on Dec 10, 2016 6:06:11 GMT
England team for the first test next summer: 1) Cook 2) Hameed 3) Jennings 4) Root 5) Bairstow 6) Stokes 7) Buttler 8) Ali 9) Woakes 10) Broad 11) Anderson 12th man: Adil Rashid No place for Ballance? Ahem. |
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 10, 2016 7:32:07 GMT
England team for the first test next summer: 1) Cook 2) Hameed 3) Jennings 4) Root 5) Bairstow 6) Stokes 7) Buttler 8) Ali 9) Woakes 10) Broad 11) Anderson 12th man: Adil Rashid I'd agree with that apart from the positions of Bairstow and Buttler. Whichever of them has the gloves should bat below the one that doesn't. We need a specialist batsman at five (Buttler if he can build on the innings he played today or a n other). I'd put the all-rounder at six and the keeper at seven. Don't think Buttler's good enough to bat at 5. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 9:19:23 GMT
I'd agree with that apart from the positions of Bairstow and Buttler. Whichever of them has the gloves should bat below the one that doesn't. We need a specialist batsman at five (Buttler if he can build on the innings he played today or a n other). I'd put the all-rounder at six and the keeper at seven. Don't think Buttler's good enough to bat at 5. In which case we need to find another specialist batsman who is. Buttler is either good enough to picked as a batsman alone or he isn't. Five batsmen. All-rounder at six. Wicket-keeper batsman at seven. Four bowlers at 8-11, one of whom should be a decent bat (Moeen Ali) |
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 10, 2016 11:05:58 GMT
Not the least of Rashid's demerits is his sluggish fielding and poor responses. The dropped catch from Kohli off his own bowling at 311-6 will almost certainly have lost this Test for England, and though he he has taken 20 wickets it only confirms what has already been commented on in this thread: he is the tallest dwarf. After this series something has to be done to prevent us from ever again playing so ill-equipped a spin attack. Moeen has virtues enough as a lower-order batsman and change bowler of off-spin, but we must give a run to either Rayner or Leach to find out if they can adapt to Test cricket. Rashid has nothing much to offer and neither do Dawson or Ansari.
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 10, 2016 11:06:34 GMT
Jack Leach (65 wickets @ 22) and Ollie Rayner (51 wickets @ 24) should have been selected based on performance over Zafar Ansari (22 wickets @ 31), Gareth Batty (41 wickets @ 31) and Liam Dawson (20 wickets @ 44).
Batting wise in division 1 Keaton Jennings (1,548 runs @ 65 with 7 hundreds), Nick Gubbins got 1,409 runs @ 61 with four hundreds and Haseeb Hameed 1,198 runs @ 50 with 4 hundreds and in division 2 Sam Northeast (1,337 runs @ 84 with 5 hundreds, Ben Duckett 1,338 runs @ 61 with 4 hundreds, Wayne Madsen 1,292 runs @ 59 with 6 hundreds, Tom Westley with 1,217 runs @ 53 and Joe Clarke with 1,206 runs @ 61 with five hundreds all impressed me during the 2016 county championship season. .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 11:38:20 GMT
Northeast, Duckett and Westley impressed me, too,cp - and Bell-Drummond to a somwewhat lesser extent. I didn't see Madsen or Clarke. But I predict it will be a long, long time (if ever) before England again risk picking a batsman on the strength of div two runs against second-rate bowling attacks.
The gulf between Div Two and Test cricket is now frankly unbridgeable, although Div Two batsmen (like Billings) may still be worth a punt in ODIs and international T20s on flat pitches against a white ball that does not swing, seam, reverse or spin.
Gubbins is the next cab on the Test rank, simply because his 1400 runs in Div One are worth 40-50 per cent more than the runs Duckett, Northeast etc. scored in Div Two.
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 10, 2016 15:53:56 GMT
Northeast, Duckett and Westley impressed me, too,cp - and Bell-Drummond to a somwewhat lesser extent. I didn't see Madsen or Clarke. But I predict it will be a long, long time (if ever) before England again risk picking a batsman on the strength of div two runs against second-rate bowling attacks. The gulf between Div Two and Test cricket is now frankly unbridgeable, although Div Two batsmen (like Billings) may still be worth a punt in ODIs and international T20s on flat pitches against a white ball that does not swing, seam, reverse or spin. Gubbins is the next cab on the Test rank, simply because his 1400 runs in Div One are worth 40-50 per cent more than the runs Duckett, Northeast etc. scored in Div Two. The problem for Northeast, Duckett, Madsen and Clarke is that they are playing in division two. It will be interesting to see how Westley fares in division one. I think you are right about Gubbins. The batting department is well stocked with options in my opinion. If you want to be considered you need to be scoring at least 1,200 championship runs not 1,000. |
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