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Post by gmdf on Feb 1, 2017 8:56:54 GMT
Good to see Adam Ball making an impact - but he isn't being used as a bowler which makes me think is future is seen as a bowler and occasional bowler, not as an all-rounder. Or possibly as a batsman and occasional howler?  Glad to see someone is reading my posts - spotted the deliberate mistake!  |
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Post by hhsussex on Feb 1, 2017 9:05:36 GMT
Or possibly as a batsman and occasional howler? Glad to see someone is reading my posts - spotted the deliberate mistake! Always read your posts gmdf! On a more serious note though it looks from the scores at least as if some of the nearly men of recent years are making an impact on this tour and that can only be good for Kent. The bowling has looked short of penetration and sometimes control - at least without Rabada or Viljoen at the end - and it has been depressing to consider endless overs from Stevens and Claydon aas the default mode once Coles is rested. Hope to see at least one of the games between Kent and Sussex this year with a bit of sparkle to both attacks, though you'll have to do something about that Tunbridge Wells wicket! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 9:39:25 GMT
Good to see Adam Ball making an impact - but he isn't being used as a bowler which makes me think is future is seen as a bowler and occasional bowler, not as an all-rounder. Ball is a strange one. Seven years ago he was playing for England under-19s in a side which included Joe Root and Jake Ball (no relation) as well as Sussex's Luke Wells. Indeed he captained the side. Since then...nothing. Which is an awful long time for a young cricketer not to have "kicked on" and still be in a job. In seven years with Kent he's made just one solitary fifty in any competition and has never taken more than three wkts in an innings with red or white ball. He has a f/c batting average of 20 and a f/c bowling avge of 50. He's a really nice lad, a big Charlton fan (like me) and I know his dad (also a Charlton fan), so I've been desperate for him to do well and have crossed my fingers at the start of every season since his Kent debut in 2010, hoping against hope that it will be his breakthrough year. But I have to admit I am surprised he's still in the first-class game. Someone told me Kent have invested so much in him that they keep him on the books hoping that one day they will get some return on their investment, fearful of having another Michael Carberry on their hands if thery let him go. But surely 2017 has to be his final chance. At one time I know they were trying to groom him as an all-round succesor to Stevens. But if you are right and he is now seen as a batsman rather than a bowler, he's going to struggle to get into a top six in which at least eight superior batsmen - Bell-Drummond, Dickson, Denly, Northeast, Stevens, Billings, Blake and Cowdrey - are already competing for places. |
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Post by gmdf on Feb 1, 2017 9:52:58 GMT
Good to see Adam Ball making an impact - but he isn't being used as a bowler which makes me think is future is seen as a bowler and occasional bowler, not as an all-rounder. Ball is a strange one. Seven years ago he was playing for England under-19s in a side which included Joe Root and Jake Ball (no relation) as well as Sussex's Luke Wells. Indeed he captained the side. Since then...nothing. Which is an awful long time for a young cricketer not to have "kicked on" and still be in a job. In seven years with Kent he's made just one solitary fifty in any competition and has never taken more than three wkts in an innings with red or white ball. He has a f/c batting average of 20 and a f/c bowling avge of 50. He's a really nice lad, a big Charlton fan (like me) and I know his dad (also a Charlton fan), so I've been desperate for him to do well and have crossed my fingers at the start of every season since his Kent debut in 2010, hoping against hope that it will be his breakthrough year. But I have to admit I am surprised he's still in the first-class game. Someone told me Kent have invested so much in him that they keep him on the books hoping that one day they will get some return on their investment, fearful of having another Michael Carberry on their hands if thery let him go. But surely 2017 has to be his final chance. At one time I know they were trying to groom him as an all-round succesor to Stevens. But if you are right and he is now seen as a batsman rather than a bowler, he's going to struggle to get into a top six in which at least eight superior batsmen - Bell-Drummond, Dickson, Denly, Northeast, Stevens, Billings, Blake and Cowdrey - are already competing for places. It is absolutely right that Kent have invested much time and effort in Adam, who as a former Captain of England U19s has the pedigree to do well, but since his bowling has become less effective (after, I think, one or more injuries) he does seem to be focusing on his batting (he bats near the top of the order in the seconds, for example). As it happens I've seen some of his best innings for the first team, and he often looks very capable batsman - far better technically I'd say, than Fabian Cowdrey for example. As you say 2017 may well be a 'make or break' year for him - getting a run in the side may well depend on call ups to England squads for Billings and, possibly Bell-Drummond or Northeast and how many injuries the squad suffers. There is no doubt if he could recapture his bowling form he would be a good replacement for Stevens, but last season that didn't look likely. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 10:18:28 GMT
he often looks very capable batsman - far better technically I'd say, than Fabian Cowdrey for example. V interesting discussion. Batting isn't just about technique, though, is it? As it happens, I agree with you about Cowdrey. Whenever I've seen him bat, he looks so at sea that I've suspected him to get out every ball. But he's got something about him - determination and self-belief, possibly instilled by not wanting to let down the great family name he carries. He's made nine half-centuries (red and white ball) for the first team to Ball's one , and in fewer innings, too. Shame he was ill and missed most of last season. Let's hope he's going to be OK for 2017. I can't help noticing he's not in the Caribbean with the squad... |
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Post by gmdf on Feb 1, 2017 10:34:49 GMT
he often looks very capable batsman - far better technically I'd say, than Fabian Cowdrey for example. V interesting discussion. Batting isn't just about technique, though, is it? As it happens, I agree with you about Cowdrey. Whenever I've seen him bat, he looks so at sea that I've suspected him to get out every ball. But he's got something about him - determination and self-belief, possibly instilled by not wanting to let down the great family name he carries. He's made nine half-centuries (red and white ball) for the first team to Ball's one , and in fewer innings, too. Shame he was ill and missed most of last season. Let's hope he's going to be OK for 2017. I can't help noticing he's not in the Caribbean with the squad... There's no doubt that Cowdrey has shown great promise in T20/50 over games, esp. as his bowling is pretty effective as well. But in CC games he actually averages only 18 (from his 12 matches) - less than Adam Ball at present. Incidentally Thomas Brown said on Facebook that Cowdrey 'was not back in full training', so that is why he's not in the WI. I agree it's a bit worrying, so long after his illness last season. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 10:46:08 GMT
As you say 2017 may well be a 'make or break' year for him - getting a run in the side may well depend on call ups to England squads for Billings and, possibly Bell-Drummond or Northeast By the way, I'll take a wager that neither Bell-Drumond nor Northeast will play Test cricket until Kent get promoted and they prove they can score runs consistently in Div One (as a white ball specialist Billings is in a different category). The failure of Vince (who averages 50 in Div Two and 30 in Div One) and Duckett and the relative success of Hameed and Jennings has persuaded the selectors/England management that Div Two runs are as cheap as chips. Test match batting recruits for the foreseeable will come from Div One, with Gubbins of Middx next in line. If the Essex lads Westley and Browne show they can repeat Div Two form against the higher quality attacks in Div One , they could come into the reckoning ,too. |
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Post by gmdf on Feb 1, 2017 10:56:44 GMT
As you say 2017 may well be a 'make or break' year for him - getting a run in the side may well depend on call ups to England squads for Billings and, possibly Bell-Drummond or Northeast By the way, I'll take a wager that neither Bell-Drumond nor Northeast will play Test cricket until Kent get promoted and they prove they can score runs consistently in Div One (as a white ball specialist Billings is in a different category). The failure of Vince (who averages 50 in Div Two and 30 in Div One) and Duckett and the relative success of Hameed and Jennings has persuaded the selectors/England management that Div Two runs are as cheap as chips. Test match batting recruits for the foreseeable will come from Div One, with Gubbins of Middx next in line. If the Essex lads Westley and Browne show they can repeat Div Two form against the higher quality attacks in Div One , they could come into the reckoning ,too. Yes, I think you're probably right about Test cricket - but I think it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that either D B-D or SN might get into a one day or T20 squad. A lot, of course, will depend on the form of those players currently in the squad, as well as their own form. I'm not betting it will happen, but I'm sure they will be thinking about it... |
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Post by offa59 on Feb 2, 2017 16:51:20 GMT
Kent on BT Sport Sky channel 426 saturday 5-15pm.
Lets hope we get a good show
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Post by offa59 on Feb 3, 2017 17:13:24 GMT
Thought the coverage of yesterdays game was very good.
It will be intresting to hear what the commentators think of our players.
Will need to bounce back after yesterdays defeat to progress to the semis.
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Post by offa59 on Feb 4, 2017 19:28:09 GMT
Looking good at the moment 123-1 after 29.
Keep it to about 275 and we might have a chance.
I would like to be there sitting in the sun,
or in the shade like our friend from WAK,Mosky
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 21:07:04 GMT
Looking good at the moment 123-1 after 29. Keep it to about 275 and we might have a chance. I would like to be there sitting in the sun, or in the shade like our friend from WAK,Mosky At 233-5 with five overs still to go, 290 looked possible. Coles (who else?) did the main damage with 4/52 to keep it to 275/9. - the very score you predicted around half-way, offa59. Well done! Kent now need at least one, and probably two, batsmen to play a major innings. I think Safer Sean is the only one to reach 50 in the course of the four matches so far? |
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Post by offa59 on Feb 4, 2017 22:21:21 GMT
It looks a quicker wicket now,and with bounce we could'nt find.
we look to be a batsman short,unless Stevo pulls one out of the fire again
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Post by offa59 on Feb 4, 2017 23:10:28 GMT
And they are turning it much more than we did.
It's not often we come across these bare wickets i suppose
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 9:03:59 GMT
It looks a quicker wicket now,and with bounce we could'nt find. we look to be a batsman short,unless Stevo pulls one out of the fire again Disappointing to come up more than 100 runs short. I'm not sure Kent were a batsman short in a side that had Tredwell, who has batted in the top three, at number nine ten (corrected on edit). More a case of the old familiar failings of an attack that lacks any penetration apart from Coles and quality batsmen who under-perform. When a talented top six of Bell-Drummond, Dickson, Northeast, Stevens, Gidman and Blake have one fifty between them in five matches, it's hard to see how the presence of Denly would have made much difference. Even after three defeats in five, Kent may not be out of it. But they will need to win their three remaining games and that will require some heavy-lifting from the batsmen of the kind not one of them has yet produced. Is new head coach Allan Donald out there? Haven't spotted him on TV. |
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