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Post by jonboy on Aug 1, 2017 10:52:27 GMT
Following the sad news of Machan's retirement, I was thinking, it does at least give us some room to revamp the squad. We've also lost Shahzad, and officially now, Joyce. Although Joyce wasn't contracted this season, if the club were to be believed, he was originally potentially available for 7 or 8 matches. That we enquired about his availability, suggests that we might have budgeted for at least a few games from him. That has at least freed up some wages.
Other than Shahzad, who has already left, the remaining players who will be out of contract I believe, will be Magoffin, Beer and Salt. There are probably question marks against all three at the moment, but decisions will be deferred until the season's end, so all three have time left to state their case for a new contract.
Magoffin is currently injured, but hopes to be back playing championship cricket in September. He has already stated his desire to keep playing, and maybe taking on board some coaching. To be fair, although I gather he had injury issues before he joined us, since he joined, he's been relatively free of problems, until this season of course. He has also been our leading wicket taker during the time he's been here, and if he can stay fit, he is still a valuable asset. Given his age though, perhaps some pay as you play deal should be explored. Sussex need to be a little more circumspect, given the injury problems that have dogged the county for the last three seasons.
Will Beer is in pretty much the same position that he was last time his contract was up for renewal He hasn't managed to force his way into the championship side, but still remains a useful performer in white ball cricket. The fact that he's now been here a while is irrelevant, as spinners often don't mature until their late 20s. We did see a glimpse of what might be possible in that amazing match winning performance at Arundel.
Young Salt still has a bit to do for me, and I'd like to see a few more consistent scores for the seconds. Their is talent there though, and he is capable of some stunning knocks in white ball cricket. We are not overly blessed with big hitting batsmen in limited overs cricket, so again, he has a chance
At this stage, I could make a case for retaining all three but a lot will depend on how they fare between now and the end of the season, and of course, how we want to reshape the side.
Without anymore surprise departures, I would want to be looking for, a quality opening batsman, someone who can replace Joyce, and a bowler to take the pressure off young Archer. It's also important that we are able to have the use of an overseas player for the whole season, whether that be one player, or split between two. If Magoffin can prove his fitness, then I'd be tempted to use the overseas option to fill the opening batsman role, unless of course Wells wants to continue there. In which case, I'd look for an overseas number three. Realistically, we won't find an overseas bowler who guarantees more wickets than Magoffin, so it's more prudent to use the slot on a batsman. With the increased budget, and the money freed up by the other departures, we could probably offer a contract to young Burgess. There may even be enough in the pot to offer Robson a contract
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Post by joe on Aug 1, 2017 12:00:43 GMT
At the moment we have:
Batters:
Wright
Nash
Finch
Evans
Wells
Brown (wk)
van Zyl
All Rounders:
Jordan
Wiese
Rawlins
Bowlers:
Archer
Magoffin
Briggs
Robinson
Garton
Whittingham
Sakande
White ball only:
Taylor
Salt
Beer
Mills
So that's a squad of only 17 for the CC games with 2 of those 17 still a question mark over fitness ( Magoffin and Robinson )
It looks to me as though we will need to strengthen both the bowling and the batting.
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Post by jonboy on Aug 1, 2017 13:11:52 GMT
At the moment we have: Batters: Wright Nash Finch Evans Wells Brown (wk) van Zyl All Rounders: Jordan Wiese Rawlins Bowlers: Archer Magoffin Briggs Robinson Garton Whittingham Sakande White ball only: Taylor Salt Beer Mills So that's a squad of only 17 for the CC games with 2 of those 17 still a question mark over fitness ( Magoffin and Robinson ) It looks to me as though we will need to strengthen both the bowling and the batting. Well we have lost a batsman and a bowler in Machan and Shahzad, or two bowlers if you account Big Vern. For me, so much depends on Magoffin. When fit, he's as fine a bowler as we could expect to attract, and another season of passing on his knowledge to the youngsters, would be hugely beneficial. Because we have such a promising group of young seam bowlers, it's important that we don't block their progress. Another year, if we can get it, from Magoffin, would take the pressure off of Archer, but wouldn't hold up their progress. Batting wise, we just need a true quality performer at the top of the order. |
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Post by liquidskin on Aug 2, 2017 18:25:18 GMT
Sounds like you two are suffering from Robinsonigtis, or to give it its latest name, Davis Syndrome. Beer played in the last 4 day game and returned figures of 4-88 off 27. He's the invisible man.
Release Magoffin, too old, too injured. Should have released him early last winter. We need his wages for a younger, fitter and better player.
We need one big signing for the 4 day stuff, an overseas (legitimate) batsman. We then need to promote about half a dozen yoots from the academy - Haines, Jenner, Ward... to bolster the squad and then we need to hold back some corn for two quality, and in their prime, overseas (legitimate) players for the T20 - most likely an explosive keeper/batsman (de Kock) and a explosive batsman who can bowl (Pollard). Then we'll win more.
We're going the wrong way about everything, have been for years, and look where we are. This is the other way and if it doesn't work we'll be no worse off than we are now.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 2, 2017 18:52:23 GMT
Sounds like you two are suffering from Robinsonigtis, or to give it its latest name, Davis Syndrome. Beer played in the last 4 day game and returned figures of 4-88 off 27. He's the invisible man. Release Magoffin, too old, too injured. Should have released him early last winter. We need his wages for a younger, fitter and better player. We need one big signing for the 4 day stuff, an overseas (legitimate) batsman. We then need to promote about half a dozen yoots from the academy - Haines, Jenner, Ward... to bolster the squad and then we need to hold back some corn for two quality, and in their prime, overseas (legitimate) players for the T20 - most likely an explosive keeper/batsman (de Kock) and a explosive batsman who can bowl (Pollard). Then we'll win more. We're going the wrong way about everything, have been for years, and look where we are. This is the other way and if it doesn't work we'll be no worse off than we are now. I agree release Magoffin and sign Haines, De Kock and Pollard. |
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Post by liquidskin on Aug 2, 2017 19:31:31 GMT
Sounds like you two are suffering from Robinsonigtis, or to give it its latest name, Davis Syndrome. Beer played in the last 4 day game and returned figures of 4-88 off 27. He's the invisible man. Release Magoffin, too old, too injured. Should have released him early last winter. We need his wages for a younger, fitter and better player. We need one big signing for the 4 day stuff, an overseas (legitimate) batsman. We then need to promote about half a dozen yoots from the academy - Haines, Jenner, Ward... to bolster the squad and then we need to hold back some corn for two quality, and in their prime, overseas (legitimate) players for the T20 - most likely an explosive keeper/batsman (de Kock) and a explosive batsman who can bowl (Pollard). Then we'll win more. We're going the wrong way about everything, have been for years, and look where we are. This is the other way and if it doesn't work we'll be no worse off than we are now. I agree release Magoffin and sign Haines, De Kock and Pollard. Well that was a blueprint - Haines is in the bag. Can't get them? Wade and Anderson. Target your needs and get as close to it as you can.
Listening to Rob Key tonight on the old jiggermebox and he makes an interesting point regarding Leics - If you sign Kolpaks you have to have success. What's the point otherwise? May as well be ordinary with young English players, at least they will be cheap and that itself provides the opportunity to sign quality outsiders.
We need to turn around and go the other way.
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Post by jonboy on Aug 2, 2017 21:29:55 GMT
Ahem, aren't Glamorgan top of the group
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 3, 2017 0:14:09 GMT
I agree release Magoffin and sign Haines, De Kock and Pollard. Well that was a blueprint - Haines is in the bag. Can't get them? Wade and Anderson. Target your needs and get as close to it as you can.
Listening to Rob Key tonight on the old jiggermebox and he makes an interesting point regarding Leics - If you sign Kolpaks you have to have success. What's the point otherwise? May as well be ordinary with young English players, at least they will be cheap and that itself provides the opportunity to sign quality outsiders.
We need to turn around and go the other way.
Agreed. Whether it is De Kock, Pollard, Wade or Anderson we need batting impetus for the T20. Key is right about Kolpak players. |
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 3, 2017 0:14:43 GMT
Ahem, aren't Glamorgan top of the group With four no results. They are top due to the weather rather than due to their performances on the field. |
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Post by jonboy on Aug 3, 2017 7:41:23 GMT
Ahem, aren't Glamorgan top of the group With four no results. They are top due to the weather rather than due to their performances on the field. So if we can only get one more rained off game, will we be joining them at the top of the table? |
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Post by joe on Aug 3, 2017 8:45:48 GMT
Ahem, aren't Glamorgan top of the group With four no results. They are top due to the weather rather than due to their performances on the field. Rubbish! They are top because they've won 4 games! |
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Post by flashblade on Aug 3, 2017 9:10:59 GMT
With four no results. They are top due to the weather rather than due to their performances on the field. Rubbish! They are top because they've won 4 games! Yep, they are top DESPITE the weather, not DUE TO the weather. |
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Post by liquidskin on Aug 3, 2017 18:46:00 GMT
Ahem, aren't Glamorgan top of the group What's Glammy gotta do with it? Got a few packers have they? If they're doing well it's hard to argue, that was Key's point I think but are they? They might be for all I know but I do know that Ingram and Miller are two very good reasons Glamorgan are top of the group - both legit I think. Ours aren't doing well so it isn't hard to argue.
Because of the weather you can go from top to mid table in one game. If it ever stops raining we'll see where everyone's at. They have two super consistent, super powerful batters in their OS spots though. We could have had too but we wasted wages on ordinary players instead.
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Post by jonners52 on Aug 10, 2017 9:46:53 GMT
Just saw this post after returning from holiday in South Wales.
On Monday 7th of August I dropped in on the seconds game against Glamorgan at Panteg Cricket Club.
Myself and the other small number of spectators witnessed what I would describe as one of the most brutal and and at the same time accomplished innings which I have seen for some time courtesy of young Phil Salt.
He blasted about 183 runs off many fewer balls in a team innings of 303 (unfortunately he ran out of batting partners).
I sat within earshot of the Glamorgan coaching staff and physios etc and from what I heard Phil has many admirers across the country particularly for his white ball skills and abilities and it was being questioned why he does not play regularly in the T20 blast format for Sussex.
It seems certain to me that if we do not re-sign him at the end of the season then somebody else will and very quickly by the sound of things!
One question which I do have though...... I see no mention or report of this game on the Sussex CCC web-site which begs the question ..what other action
/information do they fail to report on? I would like to know the outcome of this entertaining match!
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Post by joe on Aug 10, 2017 9:55:32 GMT
Just saw this post after returning from holiday in South Wales. On Monday 7th of August I dropped in on the seconds game against Glamorgan at Panteg Cricket Club. Myself and the other small number of spectators witnessed what I would describe as one of the most brutal and and at the same time accomplished innings which I have seen for some time courtesy of young Phil Salt. He blasted about 183 runs off many fewer balls in a team innings of 303 (unfortunately he ran out of batting partners). I sat within earshot of the Glamorgan coaching staff and physios etc and from what I heard Phil has many admirers across the country particularly for his white ball skills and abilities and it was being questioned why he does not play regularly in the T20 blast format for Sussex. It seems certain to me that if we do not re-sign him at the end of the season then somebody else will and very quickly by the sound of things! One q uestion which I do have though...... I see no mention or report of this game on the Sussex CCC web-site which begs the question ..what other action
/information do they fail to report on? I would like to know the outcome of this entertaining match!I agree with you jonners52, it puzzles me why young Salt doesn't play more 1st team white ball games. He is a huge talent, and although reckless at times, when he gets it right I've not seen a cleaner hitter of the ball. I notice he's in the squad who play Middlesex today, probably off the back of the innings you witnessed, I'd love to see him given a go. The outcome of the match was that it was eventually abandoned because of the weather. |
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