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Post by therealab1 on Sept 19, 2023 7:05:45 GMT
Another example of poor communication if he has signed a new deal especially considering people are wildly speculating on him without any real justification or knowledge.
And being lectured on players behaviour by a Surrey fan is the richest thing i've ever heard.
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Post by yikemardy on Sept 19, 2023 7:28:45 GMT
Another example of poor communication if he has signed a new deal especially considering people are wildly speculating on him without any real justification or knowledge. And being lectured on players behaviour by a Surrey fan is the richest thing i've ever heard. The DT says ‘agreed a deal’ rather than signed , so maybe it’s a case of “I’ll sign when I get back from my golf trip”. It might have been that way for a while as he mainly seems interested in golf and his girlfriend atm. He’s getting his midlife crisis in early.
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Post by joe on Sept 19, 2023 10:05:51 GMT
As predicted it’s raining at Derby.
Only 2 games in play at the moment at Lords and The Oval.
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Post by therealab1 on Sept 19, 2023 10:19:42 GMT
As predicted it’s raining at Derby. Only 2 games in play at the moment at Lords and The Oval. Preserving a 1 game lost all season in the Championship record. Members forum next week will be very interesting i think. What worries me these days is any good news story that comes out of the club always seems to come out a few hours before a bad news story. I think Andrew is trying trying to cover a lot of sh1t up and still we havent heard a word out of him. Like i said to a mate who is fairly senior in the club last night, you asked me to buy me into this process, you as good as tore it up last year and told me Farbrace wil save us. The only evidence of progress i can see is we are a little harder to beat than we were so the question is whats next? Where do we go from here?
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Post by sponge on Sept 19, 2023 10:46:02 GMT
We definitely have to give Farbrace more time. I still have faith he can get us in good shape to compete in all games; T20 might take a little more time though. I have found Andrew underwhelming. His interviews are poor; and he seems to like his hospitality at away games too much for my liking. There have been plenty of discussions here about playing staff, and I'm sure there will be changes over the winter. Both Finn and Garton going should release substantial funds. We clearly need a good Captain. With regard to the coaching staff, I also think there will be changes; Kirtley and Taylor at risk of going.
It's a shame the Derbyshire game is likely to be a washout. Our season has gone from an exciting run in to just playing for pride. All a bit deflating.
Carson and Haines have publicly apologised; and I would hope they both got a rollicking internally. If Karvelas did make alleged comments, he is in big trouble. Pujara had to get banned according to the ECB rule book. But it all happened on his watch; perhaps he should have done more to manage the fiery characters.
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Post by enoughisenough on Sept 19, 2023 11:04:51 GMT
One by-product of live streams of all CC games is that there is now video evidence of any transgression by a player, which wasn’t the case in the past except for the very few televised matches.
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Post by squarepoint on Sept 19, 2023 11:08:54 GMT
Not blaming him but I think Farbrace might have unwittingly contributed to the infringements by voicing his concerns that our players don’t have a winner’s mentality. They’d have been eager to prove him wrong for sure (though obviously this was the wrong way).
The jury is out on his man management techniques in my view. Although we as supporters probably all appreciate a plain speaker, the players might find it demotivating. Absolutely agree he needs to be given more time though.
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Post by j on Sept 19, 2023 11:09:54 GMT
As predicted it’s raining at Derby. Only 2 games in play at the moment at Lords and The Oval. Preserving a 1 game lost all season in the Championship record. Members forum next week will be very interesting i think. What worries me these days is any good news story that comes out of the club always seems to come out a few hours before a bad news story. I think Andrew is trying trying to cover a lot of sh1t up and still we havent heard a word out of him. Like i said to a mate who is fairly senior in the club last night, you asked me to buy me into this process, you as good as tore it up last year and told me Farbrace wil save us. The only evidence of progress i can see is we are a little harder to beat than we were so the question is whats next? Where do we go from here? Yep, that's exactly how Rob Andrew works. Set the lowest of expectations and when we do a little bit better than the worst team in the country, try and pass it off as "progression". I and many other see right through it. Remember when Mohammed Rizwan was announced in December 2021, that came hours after the announcement that Ben Brown was to be leaving. Coincidence? I don't think so. Remember Phil Salt and Chris Jordan were announced to be leaving. That came the day after we beat Yorkshire in the T20 quarter final. That was August 2021, and in the twitter announcement of said departures, Luke Wright revealed that he himself personally had offered the captaincy to Jordan but Jordan turned it down. However the news that Wright had given up the captaincy was only revealed in March 2022, just weeks before the season started. Why I hear you ask, well because revealing that Wright was no longer T20 captain just weeks before the season started gave the impression that we were in club in chaos and as a result tempered the expectations for the upcoming season. Another Andrew masterclass in communications. Think back to the T20 home defeat to Gloucestershire where we collapsed dismally. The morning after we announced the loan signing of Jack Brooks. Now maybe short term loan deals can be done quickly, or (more likely) the club were waiting on the Gloucestershire result before announcing and if the result was bad (which it was) put the signing of Brooks out to try and take the attention away from it. Lots of people only found out about Richard Halsall leaving from a tweet by Matt Prior. There was no communication from the club that the academy director had left, however a massive deal was made about Mike Yardy coming in to replace him. Again, why was that? Could it be that Yardy coming back was a nice 'feel good' story that could be used to try and change the narrative about our fortunes? You do the maths. When it became common knowledge that Salisbury was on his way, the announcement came out at 10am. It was then swiftly deleted and the exact same article went back up on the club website at 11am. Human error? Perhaps, although one would expect people who work in communications to be able to get an announcement as important as that correct. Or could it be (and this was my belief and I said it on my twitter at the time) that the deleted announcement was to get people talking about the fact it was deleted rather than the fact that the club was in crisis. Also notice how the statement was very vague. It was my belief at the time (and I said it on social media at the time) that the statement was written in such a way to create as much doubt and intrigue as possible again to take the attention away from how poorly we'd performed on the pitch and how the club was in a crisis off the pitch. Take a look at the article from Will Macpherson in The Telegraph. One of his sources refers to the fact that everything is as secretive and as cloak and dagger as it could be at Sussex. MacPherson also made reference to the fact that NDA's have become common at Sussex and that agents avoid Andrew because he's difficult to deal with. Notice how now there's now a bad story on Sussex doing the media rounds. You'd think for something a serious as a points deductions, suspension of players and a potential discrimination scandal brewing that a statement would be put out by club. But of course there isn't anything. Just some lines buried at the bottom of the match preview of this weeks game. Everything at Sussex is done with the intentions for either 1 of 2 things to happen. It's either to save money, or bury bad news. Appreciate that it's a long, wordy and negative post, but I think it's important that people know these things around how Andrew operates. The bloke is a vulture. Ask people who followed England rugby closely during the time he was in charge there, and they'll say similar things. Support the team, not the club. Andrew out.
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Post by therealab1 on Sept 19, 2023 11:17:13 GMT
Preserving a 1 game lost all season in the Championship record. Members forum next week will be very interesting i think. What worries me these days is any good news story that comes out of the club always seems to come out a few hours before a bad news story. I think Andrew is trying trying to cover a lot of sh1t up and still we havent heard a word out of him. Like i said to a mate who is fairly senior in the club last night, you asked me to buy me into this process, you as good as tore it up last year and told me Farbrace wil save us. The only evidence of progress i can see is we are a little harder to beat than we were so the question is whats next? Where do we go from here? Yep, that's exactly how Rob Andrew works. Set the lowest of expectations and when we do a little bit better than the worst team in the country, try and pass it off as "progression". I and many other see right through it. Remember when Mohammed Rizwan was announced in December 2021, that came hours after the announcement that Ben Brown was to be leaving. Coincidence? I don't think so. Remember Phil Salt and Chris Jordan were announced to be leaving. That came the day after we beat Yorkshire in the T20 quarter final. That was August 2021, and in the twitter announcement of said departures, Luke Wright revealed that he himself personally had offered the captaincy to Jordan but Jordan turned it down. However the news that Wright had given up the captaincy was only revealed in March 2022, just weeks before the season started. Why I hear you ask, well because revealing that Wright was no longer T20 captain just weeks before the season started gave the impression that we were in club in chaos and as a result tempered the expectations for the upcoming season. Another Andrew masterclass in communications. Think back to the T20 home defeat to Gloucestershire where we collapsed dismally. The morning after we announced the loan signing of Jack Brooks. Now maybe short term loan deals can be done quickly, or (more likely) the club were waiting on the Gloucestershire result before announcing and if the result was bad (which it was) put the signing of Brooks out to try and take the attention away from it. Lots of people only found out about Richard Halsall leaving from a tweet by Matt Prior. There was no communication from the club that the academy director had left, however a massive deal was made about Mike Yardy coming in to replace him. Again, why was that? Could it be that Yardy coming back was a nice 'feel good' story that could be used to try and change the narrative about our fortunes? You do the maths. When it became common knowledge that Salisbury was on his way, the announcement came out at 10am. It was then swiftly deleted and the exact same article went back up on the club website at 11am. Human error? Perhaps, although one would expect people who work in communications to be able to get an announcement as important as that correct. Or could it be (and this was my belief and I said it on my twitter at the time) that the deleted announcement was to get people talking about the fact it was deleted rather than the fact that the club was in crisis. Also notice how the statement was very vague. It was my belief at the time (and I said it on social media at the time) that the statement was written in such a way to create as much doubt and intrigue as possible again to take the attention away from how poorly we'd performed on the pitch and how the club was in a crisis off the pitch. Take a look at the article from Will Macpherson in The Telegraph. One of his sources refers to the fact that everything is as secretive and as cloak and dagger as it could be at Sussex. MacPherson also made reference to the fact that NDA's have become common at Sussex and that agents avoid Andrew because he's difficult to deal with. Notice how now there's now a bad story on Sussex doing the media rounds. You'd think for something a serious as a points deductions, suspension of players and a potential discrimination scandal brewing that a statement would be put out by club. But of course there isn't anything. Just some lines buried at the bottom of the match preview of this weeks game. Everything at Sussex is done with the intentions for either 1 of 2 things to happen. It's either to save money, or bury bad news. Appreciate that it's a long, wordy and negative post, but I think it's important that people know these things around how Andrew operates. The bloke is a vulture. Ask people who followed England rugby closely during the time he was in charge there, and they'll say similar things. Support the team, not the club. Andrew out. i will say he has steadied the ship financially for us but thats all i can defend him for. I have made a staunch of Keith Greenfield but thats because i have a wider understanding of his previous job role than what others would probably know. All of that now falls on Farbrace and a Cricket Administrator. I would call on Jon Filby and his to remove Rob Andrew from his post and get a cricketing CEO back at the helm. A question ive just asked myself - if we show a net loss this financial year and weve seen little improvement on the pitch - Does that mean Rob Andrew has failed in his position?
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 19, 2023 12:14:26 GMT
Another month of the season, another *** up. The Sussex way. Worcs have been consistently strong this season and are deserving of that second promotion spot. All the best to them next season. We are not ready for Division 1, simple as that. Despite Farbrace's pre season optimism and talk of promotion and white ball trophies, I think (based on his tone in interviews) the realisation started to hit him during the One day cup that he has some very bad players here who are simply no use to us. Cannot keep flogging dead horses, hence why he spoke of needing experience a few weeks ago. Also wouldn't surprise me if the Leics match was the last we see of Pujara. With the centrally contracted England bowler who is also the stepson of the coach who will now be referred to as 'sicknote' unlikely to sign a new deal, and having seen the impact of overseas bowlers this season with McAndrew, Shipley and Unadkat, it wouldn't shock me at all if the club wanted 2 overseas bowlers throughout the season for 2024. I'd be gutted if that was the case re Pujara. A Sussex great, imperious player. The points deduction does take the pressure off us for these final 2 matches now, which is something I guess. I think ab's team is more or less what we'll see, perhaps Ward slightly further down the order to have more of a licence to play shots and attack. Least we can hope for is that they are still up for it and put in a performance. Some players are playing for their careers. Just out of interest how do you know it is unlikely that Robbo will sign? Ive seen nothing to suggest he will or wont sign a new deal. Everyone over thinks the overseas players, you fet the best 2 players you can for the longest period of time you can get them. For arguments sake Smith and Pujara are available all summer next season you'd snap them up in a heartbeat. I cant see Shipley being re-signed considering he was dropped for his last appearance. Going on the Chairmans comments last week I see it being a combo of McAndrew and Undatkat in and around Pujara who wont be playing for India. Robinson has signed a one year extension I understand, for all the use that is. As for Pujara I’m not a fan, as people will know, not a great captain and not a leader of men either it seems. We were never likely to get promoted anyway, and if we had we would have suffered a torrid season next year ending in relegation. However, it does mean the last two games are nothing games now, might as well blood some youngsters, they can’t do much worse. Annoyed doesn’t even begin to cover how I’m feeling right now!
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Post by joe on Sept 19, 2023 12:34:30 GMT
Sussex have been the masters of spin since Andrew got here. They give you a little bit but never enough and as sure as night follows day a positive spin comes before and after bad news.
The man is a cancer in this wonderful club, slowly eating away at the heart of it till there’s only a shell left.
20 years this week since we won the CC title. A celebration was planned at the club and all the old guard were invited, only 2 confirmed they’d come. That tells you all you need to know.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 19, 2023 13:10:55 GMT
Not blaming him but I think Farbrace might have unwittingly contributed to the infringements by voicing his concerns that our players don’t have a winner’s mentality. They’d have been eager to prove him wrong for sure (though obviously this was the wrong way). The jury is out on his man management techniques in my view. Although we as supporters probably all appreciate a plain speaker, the players might find it demotivating. Absolutely agree he needs to be given more time though. How old are they? These are not primary school kids, there is a difference between playing hard and tripping an opponent up.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 19, 2023 13:17:44 GMT
If the club’s finances are as healthy as they boast then a refund to long suffering members is called for. If memory serves we have won two games this season, and each was followed by a points deduction, for a slow over rate and for unsportsmanlike behaviour.
Enough, as supporters we understand sometimes teams lose but to throw away points and scupper hopes of promotion is unprofessional.
#andrewsout
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Post by squarepoint on Sept 19, 2023 14:12:15 GMT
Not blaming him but I think Farbrace might have unwittingly contributed to the infringements by voicing his concerns that our players don’t have a winner’s mentality. They’d have been eager to prove him wrong for sure (though obviously this was the wrong way). The jury is out on his man management techniques in my view. Although we as supporters probably all appreciate a plain speaker, the players might find it demotivating. Absolutely agree he needs to be given more time though. How old are they? These are not primary school kids, there is a difference between playing hard and tripping an opponent up. That’s true enough and nothing in my comment was intended to be in defence of bad behaviour.
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Post by yikemardy on Sept 19, 2023 15:58:51 GMT
Not blaming him but I think Farbrace might have unwittingly contributed to the infringements by voicing his concerns that our players don’t have a winner’s mentality. They’d have been eager to prove him wrong for sure (though obviously this was the wrong way). The jury is out on his man management techniques in my view. Although we as supporters probably all appreciate a plain speaker, the players might find it demotivating. Absolutely agree he needs to be given more time though. How old are they? These are not primary school kids, there is a difference between playing hard and tripping an opponent up. It’s like he took an idiot pill. He must know there are cameras. It was like in the T20 game v Hants when Ravi didn’t make it on time. There he was messing about on camera laughing along with the lads, on the bench. That was such a bad look I wrote to the club. If what Karvelas said is true, I despair. Why would you do that? Why would it even cross your mind to do that?
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