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Post by flashblade on Aug 28, 2014 8:50:41 GMT
His rise has been rapid following on, just one good season at Sussex, he has the talent but perhaps needs time to consolidate. It would not be the end of the world if he were not a permanent fixture in the England side. I agree, Jonboy. He just doesn't look right at the moment, and another bad bowling performance in the next ODI could make matters worse. He's come to the forefront very quickly (too quickly?) and, as you say, needs to consolidate. The Sky comms were unanimous about his bowling issues and they know more about these things than most (if not all!) of us. We shouldn't be tempted to overlook the problem, just because CJ is one of us. I hope he can spend the next few months getting his bowling action sorted.
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Post by wally on Aug 29, 2014 0:46:17 GMT
CJ thrived on hard work and a well explained role...all this rest and England have done him no favours...if we can get him back he will do for sussex what he couldn't do for England ie play consistently.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 31, 2014 11:42:54 GMT
I wonder what is the logic in continuing to include CJ in the T20 squad England v India: Uncapped Jason Roy in T20 squad. He seems to have had some dreadful games in the one-day internationals so far, culminating in 12 wides at Cardiff, and whether it is a fault in his runup, his delivery grip, his mental preparation, or the kind of breakfast cereal he has, the one thing that is certain is that he doesn't seem to be able to target consistently. In one-day cricket, and particularly T20, that's a hanging offence; there is no question of have another over, or try changing ends, or have a blow and come back for another spell in an hour or so - the game will have moved on too far by then. Surely it would be in his best interests for him to spend the balance of the season playing 4-day cricket (and yes, of course its special pleading) working with a coach known and trusted by Moores, finding out what the problem is and putting it right in the middle. The alternative is for him to sopend time kicking around with the squad, not quite trusted after his recent problems and probably not quite trusting himself, and either missing out completely on play or being pitchforked in at the last minute on a gamble or because someone else has a strain. Quite a bit of pressure on him to perform in those circumstances, and not a lot gained if the gamble succeeds. If it doesn't then it might put a dampener on his World Cup ambitions. Perhaps the whole thing is just a dastardly ploy to set him up for a fall and bring back Dernbach: now there's a lad we could be proud of!
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Post by howardh on Aug 31, 2014 12:30:35 GMT
Good post, hh.
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Post by howardh on Sept 11, 2014 11:15:16 GMT
Congratulations to Chris on being awarded a central contract - a fine achievement.
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Post by hhsussex on Sept 24, 2014 11:55:53 GMT
To no great surprise, but still to his credit, CJ is in the squad to tour Sri Lanka for one-day games in November - as is James Tredwell. Interestingly, Tredwell's rival at Kent, Adam Riley, is included in the England Performance Programme for the winter. Wonder who'll win that little battle, and whether it will still involve Sussex? Answers on a postcard please to Mr Jamie Clifford at Kent CCC. ECB - England squad
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 18:00:58 GMT
To no great surprise, but still to his credit, CJ is in the squad to tour Sri Lanka for one-day games in November - as is James Tredwell. Interestingly, Tredwell's rival at Kent, Adam Riley, is included in the England Performance Programme for the winter. Wonder who'll win that little battle, and whether it will still involve Sussex? Answers on a postcard please to Mr Jamie Clifford at Kent CCC. ECB - England squadRiley has now signed a new contract with Kent, who have made it clear to Tredwell that they will not permit him to depart before his contract expires in Sept 2015. So come next April poor Tredders will be back on the loan market, a horrible and invidious position for a current England player to be placed in. By then Sussex will have lost interest, as Zaidi continues to improve and there will be no need to loan an off-spinner to play on April green-tops. England - who have made it clear they want him playing f/c county cricket - will be left frustrated and the player even more so. Unfortunately, Tredwell's England duties mean Kent get sufficient compensation for his absences to ensure he's very low maintenance on their pay roll, otherwise the county's treasurer - a man who is the living epitome of Lord Darlington's famous defintion of a cynic in Lady Windermere's Fan - would have happily bounced him down to the south coast in a flash. The combination of England and Sussex payments to Kent for Tredwell's services in 2014 probably mean that his employer has made a real-time profit on having him on their books as a registered player. In Kent's destitute state, you can see why they would refuse to release a player who is listed in the credit rather than the debit column, even though he is not a regular in their first team. It's sad when what is clearly in a player's best interests is blocked by a Victorian-style employer demanding his pound of flesh. But Kent have done it before, when they selfishly delayed the start of Ryan MacLaren's international career by 12 months. When Tredwell eventually becomes a free agent in September 2015, my bet is that Surrey will sign him as the successor to Gareth Batty. The Surrey coach Graham Ford used to be at Kent and is credited as the man whose ministrations and encouragement turned Tredders from a workaday county twirler into a bowler of international calibre.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 25, 2014 6:55:45 GMT
That is probably the likely scenario. However, Robbo is a great admirer of Tredwell, not least his gutsy attitude. Also, we were never able to call upon, perhaps Tredwell's best discipline, his one day bowling. As I've mentioned before, the idea of Tredwell, Beer and Yardy bowling those middle overs in the one day stuff, is mouth watering. I'm not totally convinced that Zaidi can do the job, mainly as a bowler. In this game, Middlebrook has been getting quite a bit of turn whereas, so far Zaidi has not looked at all threatening. The stats show that Zaidi is improving so it will be interesting to see how he bowls on the last day. The pitch is taking spin and this Northants side has never been able to post two decent totals. Back to Tredwell, although I'd like it to happen, having three senior spinners on the staff might be a bit of a luxury. You never know though, if we see Zaidi more of a batsman who bowls, then signing Tredwell, if Kent concede that it's better to release him, might still be a possibility. Don't forget, that England compensation package would also work in our favour. We'll see, but our number one priority has to be a top class seamer, and unearthing one of those should take precedence
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 8:29:58 GMT
I understand the potential of Beer, Tredwell & Yardy in 1 day cricket, where I struggle is why is Beer so important in this format yet doesn't get a look in in the 4 day side? especially now when the game seems to be crying out for some flight and spin. Ideal I would say? That said Zaidi has improved. Perhaps he's better suited to 7/8 rather than 5/6?
However, next year, I think a seamer, but from where and who? And a batter for the 1 day side? Sorry but Machan and Brown have not got enough good, meaningful runs the side needs someone at 3, 4, 5 to get good runs. Perhaps MP will solve this?
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Post by fraudster on Sept 25, 2014 19:05:57 GMT
I honestly can't recall the last time JB posted without mentioning our need for a top seamer - he's right though, I guess. Don't think we'll get one, even if we shook off Liddle and Lewis - a mind boggling two year extension followed my a mind baffling signing - complete wastes. We do have Mags, Hatch, Hob and Anyon competeing for three places, without Jordan, who I think we'll see plenty of, and then Piolet and H-P to add to the mix. With the odd injury and odd call up for Blighty that does look a bit bare though. Harris is the man I want. Newby would fill a gap failing that. I believe Sakande has made strides of the yoot. Very excited by Hobden's potential - he needs a strict fitness schedule this winter.
Not at all bothered about that batting myself Battleaxe. We have plenty in all forms now with Machan, Finch (who scored well in a one-day game remember) Whacko and H-P all waiting in the wings. Machan's one-day season ain't been that bad, has it? Anyway, no batters required. Agree Brown is under pressure in the one-dayers though, that's why Whacko is there. God knows about Prior but that would be an exceptional boost in all forms if he still wants it and is injury free.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 27, 2014 8:25:04 GMT
I understand the potential of Beer, Tredwell & Yardy in 1 day cricket, where I struggle is why is Beer so important in this format yet doesn't get a look in in the 4 day side? especially now when the game seems to be crying out for some flight and spin. Ideal I would say? That said Zaidi has improved. Perhaps he's better suited to 7/8 rather than 5/6? However, next year, I think a seamer, but from where and who? And a batter for the 1 day side? Sorry but Machan and Brown have not got enough good, meaningful runs the side needs someone at 3, 4, 5 to get good runs. Perhaps MP will solve this? Again the issue is the make up of our attack. We go with the fashionable 6-4 and a keeper, and that means it's always gonna be difficult for Will Beer. If the other three bowlers were all as good as Magoffin, we could give Will a gig. The problem is, as a leggie he's an attacking bowler, or he should be to get the best out of him. Other than Steve Magoffin, the other seamers all leak runs. We simply cannot use Beer in such circumstances. What's the answer? Well, for him to get games in the championship, we will have to switch to a five man attack, or improve our seam bowling battery. Zaidi probably just shades it at the moment because of his batting and we sacrifice his lesser wicket taking capabilities for his greater control. However, it's far from ideal, most counties, even playing the same system as us, have better fifth bowling option than our fourth, Zaidi.
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Post by fraudster on Sept 27, 2014 16:44:35 GMT
Well we need to sort that out. Four bowlers is fine in April but not all season. Why isn't Wright bowling at all? We should get that back. He could be a tidy little line & length bowler if he took a yard of pace off. Harris would help the lower order too but Beer's never let anyone down in there. With Mags, Harris, Hatch/Hob and Wright we could easily play Beer. He just ain't fancied. That and we don't actually have Harris. Seems like such a waste to me. We have to get Wright bowling again - 8-12 overs an innings is all.
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Post by flashblade on May 21, 2015 9:49:17 GMT
CJ dropped from England XI.
Will he be available for the CC match starting on Sunday? We sure could use him.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 10:33:17 GMT
Doubt it because the CC match ends Wed and the second test starts Thursday.
Robinson should be demanding that he is released for the T20 game at Taunton tomorrow, though.
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Post by fraudster on May 21, 2015 21:33:58 GMT
The bloke will be no good to anyone if he don't play for either. When he does finally get a game he'll need to bowl for three weeks to find rhythm. I think England need to let go completely, they've had a good look, he ain't quite cut it. I think that's what will happen too.
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