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Post by hhsussex on Oct 17, 2014 12:42:12 GMT
Wright's contract ends next season and not only is the Benefit much deserved, but hopefully, just hopefully, this may also tempt Luke to re-sign. If the Benefit is as well organised and run as Mike Yardy's this season, Luke should be looking at a handsome pot by the end of 2015. My view is, if you want to keep Wright, which is essential, offer him the potential captaincy after Joyce or at least the vice-captaincy.I think the new level of maturity in his performances this season, particularly in the Championship, marked him out as the true successor to Joyce, with all respect to Nash.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 18:27:19 GMT
Wright's contract ends next season and not only is the Benefit much deserved, but hopefully, just hopefully, this may also tempt Luke to re-sign. Why would he not re-sign with Sussex? Since he came to Hove, he's won half a dozen trophies with the most successful side of the last decade. I assume he's paid a competitive salary (of the other 17 counties I'd guess only Surrey might conceivably offer him more). He's not in a Tredwell-like situation of having been insulted and disrespected by the club to which he has given his professional life. Everyone at Hove likes him hugely as a human being and is full of boundless admiration for his skills as a cricketer. If there was a poll for the most popular player, I think Luke would win it hands down. His wonderful form this season shows that he hasn't settled into some lazy comfort zone (which would be the only reason for him to seek a fresh challenge somewhere else). Sussex has been accommodating to a fault over his desire to market himself around the international T20 leagues. So why the hell would he even think of going somewhere else?
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Post by wally on Oct 17, 2014 19:36:51 GMT
Luke always goes out of his way to praise Sussex and repeat how much he loves it ....he doesn't want to go anywhere.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 17, 2014 22:28:21 GMT
bm,
During the final home ‘London Royal Cup’ match against Glamorgan I sat next to a man who spent half an hour praising Wright to the hilt. Luke had scored 127 in the first innings but Sussex were losing the game and Glamorgan eventually cruised to an easy victory. The man was concerned.
“Won’t Luke want to play in a side that is competitive in OD matches,” he queried. “He wants to win silverware and I am sure every top county in the land would have him in an instant.” He continued, “Can Sussex afford him? Can we compete with the wealthier clubs and the offers that may come in after his contract ends next season?”
He has a point.
If Sussex are to pay Prior’s ex-central contract salary, can they then afford to pay Wright’s salary - a salary where I am sure his agent will do his best to negotiate a bigger increase to his present one.
And why Sussex are wise. Give Wright a benefit next season. Use the same team that organised Yardy’s. Then offer Wright the vice-captaincy with the promise of taking over from Joyce and we may have a good chance of keeping him. Meanwhile, Nash’s pride may have to be sacrificed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 7:42:26 GMT
“Can Sussex afford him? Can we compete with the wealthier clubs and the offers that may come in after his contract ends next season?” Shouldn't even come to him being out of contract and receiving offers from other counties. I'm sure Sussex will be pressing for a contract extension this winter, lookng to get it signed before the start of the season and then announcing it in April as the perfect launch to his benefit. You shouldn't if possible run down the contracts of players you want to keep ; much better if you can extend when there is still a year to go on the existing deal.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 18, 2014 9:38:03 GMT
bm,
Alongside Joyce and Magoffin, re-signing Wright is a must if you wish to remain competitive, so I am in agreement.
Surely, money must be an issue though. Robinson said in a recent interview that Sussex had frozen player's salaries for a number of years (?) If Wright's agent cannot gain a salary increase then a Benefit and promise of future captaincy is essential to sweeten the pot. So, offering a contract extension this winter should be all part of that plan to keep him.
For, given how well Wright played in all formats, not even reaching an OD QF must have been disappointing for him. At times, he played like a one-man show.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 10:53:44 GMT
Most other counties - from Div Two bottom feeders to over-extended TMGs - are carrying heavy debt that requires crippling annual interest payments. Sussex has no indebtedness, and so to see Wright depart because others had offered him more money would be the worst of all reasons to lose him.
Sussex needs to pay its players the Div One 'going rate', otherwise it will swiftly fall from its current spot in the top three or four in the championship to a sad place alongside Leics/Kent/Glam/Glos at the foot of Div Two. May and Robinson know that without needing a message board know-all like me to tell them so and therefore I do not believe for one minute that players regarded as vital to Sussex's future success will be allowed to leave because we cannot match the pay scale.
I confidently expect Wright to be playing for Sussex in 2016 and beyond and I don't believe it is constructive or useful to speculate otherwise.
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 18, 2014 12:13:12 GMT
Much though I like Wright's play, his enthusiasm and his genuine, friendly nature, this whole conversation only serves to show up what a completely hypocritical sham this whole system of benefits is, and how inappropriate is has become in recent years.
Tax-free benefits became a popular and usually lucrative reward for long-serving players in the years between the First and Second world wars. Wages were low, and in many cases were only paid for the summer months, leaving players with the need to find some other line of work to sustain them through the winter. There were no formal pension schemes and often it was the propsect of this windfall in their mid-thirties, large enough perhaps to buy a pub tenancy or a market garden, that kept many players in the game. The tax-free status was vitally important and remains so today: the Inland Revenue lost a celebrated court case in the 20s which concluded that benefits were freely offered by clubs, were not necessarily triggered by a particular length of tenure, and were in no way to be regarded as an element of the player's contract of employment.
Of course most of that was wilfully ignored and the blind eye that was turned went with the assumption that 10 years capped service for one county would normally reap the reward. Now we have a system with much greater mobility, with few players staying more than 5-6 years or so with one county, seeing no reason to cultivate loyalty when a plunge into Divison Two might harm their international prospects and reduce their attractiveness to another employer. Wage levels are much higher; private pension schemes abound; players seldom carry on much longer than 34 or 35, reasoning that they'd rather get out into another profession whilst still young and fit enough to do so.
Traditionalists might regret it, and it is not a reflection on the personal popularity of Luke Wright, but the Benefits system is completely archaic, and if employed as s and f suggests, as a means for circumventing salary caps and attempting to retain a player through offering an inducement in addition to salary, it will almost certainly become prey for the Inland Revenue to mount a successful case to overtain the 1920s judgement. Probably that will happen one day soon, and that will bring an end to this charming, but rather paternalistic relic of the master and servant days. Maybe when it does we will see a return to a more spontaneous way of the public showing appreciation for a favourite by some sort of crowdfunding initiative on social media, replacing the "public subscription"?
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Post by fraudster on Oct 18, 2014 17:35:50 GMT
We need to do some winning while we have a good side, particularly in one-day crocket - that will help sort the finances out more than some 'Culture Club' concert. And when I say winning, I mean getting to Finals Days and stuff like that.
A lot of talk about Prior's salary going on - we don't need to get anywhere close to his England salary do we, he ain't an England player. How does it work? If he signed a contract with us before losing his central one what do we pay him for the remainder of that? Is it what we last paid him?
Prior could be massively important to our success over the next few years, not least for the extra player option, but he's no more than say, 150,000 squidney important. We could find half of his wage if we lost the rest of the bums we have at the club. The other half could come from CJ.
As for Lukey Wright Wright Wright, as Ping Pong would say, he's a keeper. She's always been a slut - or dumb. Probably both.
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Post by jonfilby on Oct 18, 2014 18:22:28 GMT
Most other counties - from Div Two bottom feeders to over-extended TMGs - are carrying heavy debt that requires crippling annual interest payments. Sussex has no indebtedness, and so to see Wright depart because others had offered him more money would be the worst of all reasons to lose him. Sussex needs to pay its players the Div One 'going rate', otherwise it will swiftly fall from its current spot in the top three or four in the championship to a sad place alongside Leics/Kent/Glam/Glos at the foot of Div Two. May and Robinson know that without needing a message board know-all like me to tell them so and therefore I do not believe for one minute that players regarded as vital to Sussex's future success will be allowed to leave because we cannot match the pay scale. I confidently expect Wright to be playing for Sussex in 2016 and beyond and I don't believe it is constructive or useful to speculate otherwise. So do I BM. So do I. 100% confident.
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Post by rusty on Oct 19, 2014 2:13:16 GMT
I agree that we must keep Luke (no brainer) but I would not like us to downgrade Chris Nash just because he is an accommodating personality. He deserves more than that. I'm concerned that we may break the bank with Matt Prior because he is an international star. We could lose Ben Brown and then also lose Matt to injury or loss of form. Glad that these are not my decisions!
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Post by jonboy on Oct 19, 2014 10:06:49 GMT
If we feel we are hamstrung by contractual obligations, then we may have to go over budget and rebalance next year when the situation will ease
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Post by flashblade on Oct 19, 2014 13:23:53 GMT
If we feel we are hamstrung by contractual obligations, then we may have to go over budget and rebalance next year when the situation will ease . . or possibly try to lend a surplus player to another county?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 24, 2014 11:08:41 GMT
Luke's maturity grows as he shuns the potential riches of the IPL next year. He wishes to start the new season for Sussex from the off. Nothing would be worse than injuring himself whilst playing in India and then returning to the county unable to play... in his 'Benefit Year'. Meanwhile, Luke is due to play alongside Kevin Pietersen for the 'Melbourne Stars' in the earlier Big Bash tournament this winter and before that featuring for Auckland Aces in “six or seven” Twenty20 matches in the Kiwi 'HRV' competition. www.theargus.co.uk/sport/11557647.Wright_to_shun_Indian_riches/?ref=eb
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Post by maxh on Oct 24, 2014 11:29:20 GMT
Nice little bonus that. It could be a good year next year with Prior back too.
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