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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 8, 2020 15:45:11 GMT
A blood-bath. All the Sussex batting weaknesses coming to the surface. God, Sussex CCC desperately need a top batting coach. Their mental strength under pressure is that of a jelly. Coles is dropped now. The commentator, given the state of the pitch, reckons a 200 total is a score to be reckoned with. Down to Wiese again to get us there.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Sept 8, 2020 15:48:09 GMT
This will be a very disappointing match to lose after scoring 415 in our first innings, even more so given we didn’t start our second innings until there were only 4 sessions left.
Edit: this could be over tonight🤦♂️
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Post by joe on Sept 8, 2020 15:54:53 GMT
I think Finch has just signed his own marching orders.
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 8, 2020 17:05:00 GMT
We need a new batting coach!
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Post by devonexile on Sept 8, 2020 17:23:54 GMT
This was oh so predictable as for the fourth consecutive match in this competition from a good position we capitulate batting in our second innings. Are any of us really surprised?
Well played Stuart Meaker, but it does beg the question if our batting is as much about lack of mental strength and application as much as ability and technique. Despite a deteriorating wicket, this was not a 62 for 8 track and we desperately needed some of our top order to stand up and be counted.
Despite the commentators assertion, I can't believe Surrey will have any difficulty in knocking off the required runs tomorrow morning. Even more so given how our numbers 9 and 10 batted.
Dizzy talked at lunchtime about it being a good time for Sussex supporters to be optomistic, but having watched the horror show in the last session I suspect some may require a bit more convincing.
Ashington, I totally agree on your point about strengthening the batting, but I suspect we may need more than just Head and Van Zyl. No doubt some difficult and tough decisions will be needed around some of our current playing staff at the end of the season. Whilst not wanting to speculate over the future of specific individuals, hopefully the Management Team will be strong and do what is necessary with the resources available to address the current shortcomings in the squad.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 8, 2020 18:57:33 GMT
It's not over until the fat lady sings, but a miracle is what is needed. And if Jack Carson seeks a 3 year extension deal, then he will never get a better opportunity than tomorrow morning. The pitch can only deteriorate further and embrace spin like a sponge. Perhaps, he has the luck of a leprechaun?
Reckon there's a few more twists and turns to come.
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Post by herring on Sept 8, 2020 21:01:59 GMT
Only thing worse then our batting was the waffle that came from Gillespie. Gillesie was even thanked for making himself available for all the soft questions
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Sept 8, 2020 21:36:22 GMT
This was oh so predictable as for the fourth consecutive match in this competition from a good position we capitulate batting in our second innings. Are any of us really surprised? Well played Stuart Meaker, but it does beg the question if our batting is as much about lack of mental strength and application as much as ability and technique. Despite a deteriorating wicket, this was not a 62 for 8 track and we desperately needed some of our top order to stand up and be counted. Despite the commentators assertion, I can't believe Surrey will have any difficulty in knocking off the required runs tomorrow morning. Even more so given how our numbers 9 and 10 batted. Dizzy talked at lunchtime about it being a good time for Sussex supporters to be optomistic, but having watched the horror show in the last session I suspect some may require a bit more convincing. Ashington, I totally agree on your point about strengthening the batting, but I suspect we may need more than just Head and Van Zyl. No doubt some difficult and tough decisions will be needed around some of our current playing staff at the end of the season. Whilst not wanting to speculate over the future of specific individuals, hopefully the Management Team will be strong and do what is necessary with the resources available to address the current shortcomings in the squad. Oh I agree we need more than those two.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 9, 2020 7:15:24 GMT
Well we decided to treat this competition as an experiment, primarily to see if any of the youngsters could take us forward. Well we now know the answer, they can’t, or not yet at least. So no respite from within, as far as the batting is concerned. I don’t know what fate lies ahead for Wells, but if he can’t get in this batting line up, for his sake, he might be happy to move on. Despite the return of Van Zyl, and the delayed arrival of Head, both probably for one year only, Sussex will need to do some serious recruiting. At least two new batsmen will be needed, one an opener, not least because we might not see much of Salt next season. It’s too early to write of the likes of Haines and Clark, although as others have said, Finch might be on shaky ground. He might be saved by the fact that we would be lucky to find more than a couple of decent batsmen, even allowing for any mass redundancies. Looking at the bowling, only really Carson has put his name forward, and probably deserves a contract. Garton had one good match, and will no doubt be a mainstay in the attack for seasons to come. Whilst there are less concerns about the bowling, I do think we need to find a strike bowler to open the bowling with Robinson. Maybe George will eventually take on that role, but in the meantime, we need to add a bit more venom to our attack. So much so, that I would not have brought Head back, and instead, picked an overseas strike bowler. It’s likely though, we are committed to bringing back the Australian. So a sizeable recruitment job, and it’s time for Sussex to stop hiding behind the excuses, and get the job done. Other, so called, smaller counties have managed it.
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Post by joe on Sept 9, 2020 13:20:48 GMT
So that’s the end of our red ball season for this year as Surrey take the spoils. The game was obviously lost in our second innings which was shameful after 400+ in the first but hopefully we’ll have Head, Salt and van Zyl back next year with the addition of Jonboys opener.
Positives to come out of this BWT is the emergence of 2 or 3 youngsters who have, in the most part, taken their chances.
The jury is still out for me on Dizzy till we see where we end up in the Blast but his red ball record with Sussex has seen us go backwards somewhat. He assures us that there is a long term plan in place, we’ll see.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 9, 2020 17:35:09 GMT
The jury is still out for me on Dizzy till we see where we end up in the Blast but his red ball record with Sussex has seen us go backwards somewhat. He assures us that there is a long term plan in place, we’ll see.
Gillespie's "praisefest" of everything Sussex CCC yesterday was at best "ill-timed" and at worst "embarrassing". What the BWT tournament has shown is just how far behind the curve the Club are. Agreed, we have some prospective youngsters emerging which deserves a celebration, while our white-ball cricket is far far better. Although, not forgetting Luke Wright is closing in on retirement and one of our recent major signings, Ravi Bopara, is too.
Everything relies on the T20 now to finally judge JGs three year influence. The margins are fine. Get us to the Final again and he will be viewed favourably. Yet, if we don't reach the QFs or Finals Day, then the Aussie will be seen as a gamble that didn't come off.
While I accept Sussex CCC still views itself as a family club where "praise" and "being one of us" remains of great importance, sport is about results and in the cold light of day, if a Coach is brought in with a strong track record of success and then does not succeed in passing that over, then either that person is in their descendancy or there is something inherently wrong with the Club.
A diplomatic "praisefest" doesn't change the situation.
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Post by Don Tmatter on Sept 9, 2020 19:21:19 GMT
Who has been the biggest disappointment in the BWT, Claydon or Meaker ?
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Post by joe on Sept 9, 2020 19:39:23 GMT
Who has been the biggest disappointment in the BWT, Claydon or Meaker ? For me it’s Meaker, he was supposed to bolster the bowling but when he’s been picked and then trusted to bowl his bowling has been shocking. 46-5-225-2. So that’s an average of 112 and an economy of 4.8
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Post by joe on Sept 9, 2020 19:42:42 GMT
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Post by hovefella on Sept 10, 2020 8:48:54 GMT
I think some of the criticism of Gillespie is very harsh. We currently have four players with the England squads: Jordan, Archer, Robinson and Salt. Has this ever happened to Sussex before. How many other counties can rival this? Surely Gillespie deserves some credit for this? And it is one of the problems of cricket here is that counties can be significantly weakened by having players selected for England.
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