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Post by joe on Jun 6, 2021 16:27:55 GMT
Wiley now having a chirp at Atkins.
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Post by wingman on Jun 6, 2021 16:28:43 GMT
Sussex have lost 6-23 since Head chucked his wicket away and he also dropped Malan on 27 who went on to make 199. Meaker is a complete waste of space. Yorkshire to win now. who on earth at Sussex scouts the overseas players coming over to play may I suggest they find someone else for this job |
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 6, 2021 16:32:34 GMT
Sussex have lost 6-23 since Head chucked his wicket away and he also dropped Malan on 27 who went on to make 199. Meaker is a complete waste of space. Yorkshire to win now. who on earth at Sussex scouts the overseas players coming over to play may I suggest they find someone else for this job We have Gillespie to blame for Travis Head. An overseas player should never be given a multi year contract as you don't know how they are going to cope with English wickets. |
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Post by seawolf on Jun 6, 2021 16:43:52 GMT
12 overs remaining, 1 wicket left. This is excruciating
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Post by seawolf on Jun 6, 2021 17:20:03 GMT
Totally gutted for the club & the young players who fought so hard.
There should be some questions to answer from some of the senior players after this one
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Post by joe on Jun 6, 2021 17:33:40 GMT
I’m actually really peed off. Head, van Zyl or Meaker just had to show some of the resilience shown by the younger players and we’d have got over the line. 😡
We are now bottom of the group.
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Post by wingman on Jun 6, 2021 18:09:14 GMT
I’m actually really peed off. Head, van Zyl or Meaker just had to show some of the resilience shown by the younger players and we’d have got over the line. 😡 We are now bottom of the group. at least Sussex will win something the wooden spoon |
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Post by devonexile on Jun 6, 2021 18:15:14 GMT
How does the advert go?
If C****berg did batting collapses, they would probably be...
nothing even close to what Sussex produce on an oh too regular basis.
Adrian Harms was talking on commentary yesterday about Leicestershire winning their second consecutive Championship Match, how good it was to see them doing well and how it isn't a good thing to see a side continually losing. Quite ironic I thought at the time. Welcome to the World of the Sussex supporter!!
Yes, Yorkshire are a strong County, but take out the top 4 batters in the Team they selected, one of whom is out of form, hold our CATCHES, then you are dealing with a young relatively inexperienced middle order and a bowling attack on a wicket offering very little assistance. Oh and a team that wouldn't have racked up a 245 run first innings lead.
Put simply that is a game we shouldn't have lost. Certainly not after being 165 for 4 at Tea with 35 overs remaining.
We have now lost 9 out of our last 13 red ball fixtures. We were relegated in 2015 from Division One and were strongly tipped to bounce straight back. Look at how far we have fallen.
Our overseas recruitment has been nothing short of pathetic in this format for far too long. The last stand out player we had was Magoffin and how long ago was that?
May I suggest we convince Wiese to play red ball cricket for the remainder of this season in place of one of our current incumbents?
It is great that we have so many promising youngsters and how well they have played and contributed, both in this game and our previous matches. The experienced pros in the Team should be utterly embarrassed.
Van Zyl 15 and 0.
Meaker 9 and 0 and 23-0-1-103.
Head 14 and 18 (after dropping down the order) and dropping Malan on 27 who goes on to score 199.
I thought Brown showed his tactical naivety when the sixth wicket went down and he didn't immediately start farming the strike from Carson.
On a more positive note well done Ali Orr, but both the Management and our experienced pros shouldn't have expected him to take on the onus of opening the batting (even though he batted well beyond his years) on his debut. It smacked of Will Beer being pushed into it a couple of seasons ago all over again, because nobody else seemed to 'fancy' it.
Jamie Atkins, what a star in the making and congrats to young Ibrahim on being the youngest player to score a Championship fifty. What a prospect he is with both bat and ball. Carson, his exceptional promise has already been acknowledged.
Let us hope we can hang onto this young group and they don't get disillusioned with being part of a continually beaten side and look for opportunities with more successful and ambitious Counties.
We need to get smarter in our recruitment of both overseas and experienced domestic players to support these youngsters. The team needs a mixture of both to balance the side and help with the development of this young talented group. That includes finding an opening batsman (see above comment).
No more white ball wonders, you play all formats or you ply your trade elsewhere (I have no issue with Wright as I understand that was down to Gillespie pushing him down that road, plus he has done more than enough for the Club over the years).
We should always select our best eleven. If you are fit and out of quarantine you are by default available for selection and play.
We have become an absolute shambles in this form of cricket and there is no hiding place for the Management, which for absolute clarity Liquidskin includes the on field and off field elements right up to the very top.
Yet again we find ourselves bottom of the Table and based on our performances, our team selection and the Club's unacceptable approach to this format of Cricket we can have no complaints.
I am stopping there as I am too angry, annoyed, disappointed, frustrated and disillusioned. Why did I waste my time watching this today I ask myself?
The only consolation is at least Middlesex have lost more games than we have. Until, we play them in September that is and they beat us by an innings.
The Club now owe us big time in the T20, given that would appear to be where they have set their priorities.
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Post by joe on Jun 6, 2021 18:37:44 GMT
I completely concur devonexile, especially that there should be no more white ball only players and that the strongest team should always be selected from all who are fit to play.
Huge pressure to perform in the Blast now. Nowhere to hide and no excuses acceptable.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 6, 2021 18:46:03 GMT
I completely concur devonexile, especially that there should be no more white ball only players and that the strongest team should always be selected from all who are fit to play. Huge pressure to perform in the Blast now. Nowhere to hide and no excuses acceptable. The problem is too many white ball players. Looking at the eight below I would rather have two batsmen and two seamers who play all formats, and have four (could be six if you had two overseas players to play all three formats) fewer players on the staff, than eight cricketers who only play one format. Because of the current contractual situation of players it will take at least three years to correct this farcical situation. Wright (T20 only) Bopara (T20 only) Head (Wiese and Khan are T20 overseas players) Van Zyl (Championship only) Jordan (looking like T20 only) Mills (T20 only) Meaker (Championship only) Claydon (Championship only) When we had our successful period we had two overseas players who played all formats and most players in the team played all formats rather than a load of players who only want to play in the T20 and the hundred. It does Sussex no favours. It is not inconceivable that we could have an entirely different starting XI in the T20. If we bomb in the T20 heads should roll. No other county has such a turnaround of players between Championship and T20 cricket. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 6, 2021 18:51:55 GMT
Embarrassing for the Club, embarrassing for Salisbury, embarrassing for supporters.
For how long do we put up with the phrase, "A young and inexperienced side" to excuse the team's weaknesses? For how long have supporters described the batting as weak and say over and over again that something needs to be done about it. A top batting coach is essential. And yet, right now, it is not the youngsters who are letting the side down, but the experienced O/S players.
Apart from a few promising glimpses, here and there, little has changed from last year. We start off strongly in the Championship and then fade into oblivion. Another wooden spoon is awaiting us.
All so sad.
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 6, 2021 18:53:19 GMT
Embarrassing for the Club, embarrassing for Salisbury, embarrassing for supporters. For how long do we put up with the phrase, "A young and inexperienced side" to excuse the side's weaknesses? For how long have supporters described the batting as weak and say over and over again that something needs to be done about it. An experienced and top batting coach is essential. And yet, right now, it is not the youngsters who are letting the side down, but the experienced O/S players. Apart from a few promising glimpses, here and there, little has changed from last year. We start off strongly in the Championship and then fade into oblivion. Another wooden spoon is awaiting us. All so sad. The problem in this and the last game was not the youngsters but the two overseas batsmen. Meaker was poor in this match. I feel we need a better and more experienced batting coach than Jason Swift or Ashley Wright. |
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Post by sponge on Jun 6, 2021 20:20:30 GMT
Embarrassing for the Club, embarrassing for Salisbury, embarrassing for supporters. For how long do we put up with the phrase, "A young and inexperienced side" to excuse the side's weaknesses? For how long have supporters described the batting as weak and say over and over again that something needs to be done about it. An experienced and top batting coach is essential. And yet, right now, it is not the youngsters who are letting the side down, but the experienced O/S players. Apart from a few promising glimpses, here and there, little has changed from last year. We start off strongly in the Championship and then fade into oblivion. Another wooden spoon is awaiting us. All so sad. The problem in this and the last game was not the youngsters but the two overseas batsmen. Meaker was poor in this match. I feel we need a better and more experienced batting coach than Jason Swift or Ashley Wright. Totally agree about the batting coach. For too long we have "got by". Not good enough. |
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Post by seawolf on Jun 6, 2021 22:05:57 GMT
I’m actually really peed off. Head, van Zyl or Meaker just had to show some of the resilience shown by the younger players and we’d have got over the line. 😡 Me too.
Didn't expect to do well in this game or even to last more that 3 days, which wouldn't have been a problem. Well done to Brown who led from the front, but the fact that our young players stepped up and performed and our senior players didn't once again is beginning to become a problem. Really happy with Salisbury, Kirtley (& Prior) who are doing well to get the most out of very little available resources. If you are forced to select young and inexperienced players, and they perform well, you can't ask for more.
Always happy to give someone the benefit of the doubt & time to find their form etc, because we've all been there, but to my mind, Head has now failed one time too often.
Having seen him play twice for Australia and once for Sussex (which added up to a total of 13 balls and 5 runs), added to what we have witnessed in the last few weeks, it is fair to suspect that his technique is not up to English conditions. If he turns it around in the coming weeks, then good on him, but it's not looking good.
Was not unhappy to see the back of Dizzy, as I felt that his greatest ability was to talk plausible guff and excel at underachievement. Unfortunately we still have his legacy.
Agree with sponge & others, but would go further. The lack of resources and poor decisions regarding 'senior star pro' contracts, coaching appointments and in particular an emphasis on pampered T20 only contracts starts and ends at the top. I can only hope that Rob A & Keith G are considering the value of their input and acheivement over the last few years, because as Rob will know, success of sports management is measured on the field.
Let's hope thing improve.
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Post by sponge on Jun 6, 2021 22:47:11 GMT
Sussex now need a rethink.
Let this year's T20 play out
From 2022 only have contracted players who can and are prepared to play all formats. Keep investing in youth, save money on expensive white ball only players. Employ top batting coach, and then give it 2 years.
We need to be patient.
Brown can guide the youngsters. But he needs to share the keeping duties and support Garton as the up and coming captain (I assume Robinson will have an England career).
Let's see.
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